JohnOfSheffield
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JohnOfSheffield
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YOU did?
No, son, little child of enormous advantages, what you did was born in the country you were born in where people before you have used torture, slavery and blowing up civilians as a means to an end.
All while wiping out the majority of the populace that was there.
Right now i'm in Afghanistan, tell me why i should fight the Taliban if we're going to act like they do? (well not that bad, considering what they do the Nazis gas showers were luxury).
HOW do you discern who are your enemy, lemme guess, it's all that are not exactly like you, right?
Are you fucked up in your mind on your own or were you abused as a child?
Our enemy are the one who hijack plane and crush into building or plant explosion and car bomb. That is definitely not "us".
True, we didn't fly planes and kill three thoiusand. We flew planes and killed three million Southeast Asians (if you include the effects of the war in the rise of the Khmer Rouge).
JohnOfSheffield
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So RIRA, ETA and other Christian caucasian terror organisations are not "you"?
Riddle me this then, WHY the fuck was Iraq invaded? Nada terrorists, nada WMDs.
Wouldn't it have made more sense going after Al Qauda?
Before that glorious adventure of complete and utter failure the LTTE was actually the organisation in the world that committed the MOST terrorist attacks but CONGRATULATIONS, you managed to change that into Iraqis attacking Americans and killing MORE Americans than in the WTC bombings.
Fucking bright idea, eh?
Imagine what would have happened if you hadn't have us as recon, first on the ground.
JohnOfSheffield
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Fingolfin269
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Shrug. If I had the guy in front of me who kidnapped my kid I would go to town. And I have a feeling a lot of the anti-torture folks would do the same when 'Please kind sir let me have my kid back' doesn't work.
Perhaps this is a reason why people who have strong emotional motives in situations aren't given the right to do such things.
"Hello, mister family member of the murder victim. Our civilized society has determined that the proper punishment for the murderer is an eight year jail sentence.
We are now going to leave you alone for a week in a room with the murderer, a soldering iron, razor blades and electrical wiring, and know you will respect our national values.
We're sure you will treat him with the respect for his rights that our judicial system would."
Yes, just because someone might given in to the darker urges doesn't make it right.
There's a reason we use people who are not in that situation to make policy.
Fingolfin269
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Well, aren't you something special? Some fine upstanding example of a human being you'll be for your kid when you find out you've tortured the wrong guy who happens to be innocent.
Don't think it can happen? Your piece of shit EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals have already done it. :|
Fuck everyone of you inhuman monsters who advocate torture. It's impossible to wish for you the unmitigated, never ending hell you deserve without sinking to your level of inhumanity so I'll hope you learn how wrong you are some time before you encounter it.
shira
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Torture is a heinous act. Yet many people justify it on the basis of preventing a greater heinous act: the killing of a large number of innocents.
But if torture can be justified on this basis, what about other heinous acts? For example, would it be acceptable to kill an innocent - assuming there were no viable alternative - to save the lives of a greater number of innocents?
Suppose, for example, that in order to save the lives of 10,000 Americans, it was necessary to behead an innocent, six-year-old girl. Would that be acceptable? What, in principle, is the difference between committing one immoral act (torture) and another (beheading an innocent child), if that act is the only way to save 10,000 American lives?
If you can justify one immoral act, in the name a "greater good", then you can justify ANY immoral act.
Fingolfin269
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Read it again. This isn't an 'if I have the right guy' scenario. It is the right guy.
MY piece of shit EX-Traitor In Chief? Thanks for lumping me in with that ass clown just because I point out a specific example where I would have no problem with someone going Jack Bauer on that ass. You guys are hilarious in P&N. If someone disagrees with your view they must be of the opposite faction. There is no middle line possible!
I read it as you wrote it. If you're presumtuous enough to justify your inhumanity because believe you've got "the right guy," you've opened the door anyone else with the power over other human beings to torture them if THEY believe they've got "the right guy."
That puts you in the same company as "that ass clown" and his criminal cabal. They keep telling us THEY had "the right guys," too... except when they didn't. And even with "the right guy," they're just as guilty of committing the same crimes torture.
Is that really who YOU want to be?
Fingolfin269
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Originally posted by: Harvey
I read it as you wrote it. If you're presumtuous enough to justify your inhumanity because believe you've got "the right guy," you've opened the door anyone else with the power over other human beings to torture them if THEY believe they've got "the right guy."
That puts you in the same company as "that ass clown" and his criminal cabal. They keep telling us THEY had "the right guys," too... except when they didn't. And even with "the right guy," they're just as guilty of committing the same crimes torture.
Is that really who YOU want to be?
I have no problem with my humanity in that specific/fictitious situation. There is no 'believe' in that situation. It IS the guy. I'm as humane as they come which means that when faced with one of the most horrific of situations a person can experience I have no idea how exactly I will react. And neither does anyone else until they are in that situation.
You have some psych issues that should be addressed sooner rather than later.
Love is espoused as the main christian virtue. So you're anti-christian now. Figures.
Nice rove impersonation attempt. Spread that fud - liberally. This won bush the 2004 election. The voters who used this as the reason to vote bush in again feel pretty stupid now. In fact, they probably want to torture something.
1. Torture is illegal, and always has been. Unless you get Congress to explicitly pass a law allowing torture.
2. Given that Bush ordered illegal torture for the past 4-5 years, and we still had (in your scenario) "9/11 2.0", what makes you think that more torture would prevent a 3rd attack?
This is a stupid thread, but I am sure plenty of idiots and scaredycats will be all to happy to torture anyone, as long as they don't know them.
You are right. It means that you a disgusting human who doesn't deserve to be an American and who supports inflicting pain on other people just so you can sleep better. Well done. You have gone against 200+ years of American traditions, and support breaking US Federal law.
Anything else you want to admit? You are on a roll.
You would happily kill/torture hundreds of people so you can sleep better. Wow. What a tough guy you are. Would you like Cheney to come and tuck you in every night so you feel safe. Freedom isn't free, and freedom isn't safety. Grow up and act like an adult.
JohnOfSheffield
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- Jun 26, 2007
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You'll have to forgive me, i've been up a long time and for some reason or another i got stupid enough to miss it.
My apologies.
JohnOfSheffield
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Sure, but what if you had 350 guys in front of you, from different reliable or unreliable sources and EVERYONE of them gives you a story, well those that know won't because they are fucked up enough to actually die for the cause, that is WHAT THEY DO, then what?
You should let professionals handle it, the chances of finding the child is much greater if the kidnapper thinks he got off free, it's the same tactics we used in Kosovo against mercenaries who held kids for ransom.
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