ICE Arrests 680+ Illegal Workers in Mississippi Food Processing Raid

[theeedude]

While the America of my childhood was far from perfect, it was certainly better than what we’ve become.

America gave it up to wait for trickle down instead. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[SlowSpyder]

FTFY

Yea, I have no idea how capitalism is to blame for that one. Unless we want to get to the point that government regulates what we eat ( I know it is very important to many here to throw away freedom to "save lives" so maybe some do) we as consumers decide what wins and loses in the market place.

 

[ch33zw1z]

FTFY

Yea, I mean, capitalism really is just greed with a different name.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yea, I have no idea how capitalism is to blame for that one. Unless we want to get to the point that government regulates what we eat ( I know it is very important to many here to throw away freedom to "save lives" so maybe some do) we as consumers decide what wins and loses in the market place.

Because capitalism doesn't equal Americans first, it means corporations first. Capitalism bailed on Americans first when Americans wanted a bigger piece of the pie. We call it the globalism, and capitalism is always searching for costs savings because it's corporations first.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yea, I mean, capitalism really is just greed with a different name.

No, you mistake things. Capitalism allows greed and ambition to work for you, though. But it itself is not greed. If making money is what drives you, then you can succeed in a capitalist society. If one doesn't want to work hard and complains that it is too hard to make it because it requires effort and not making excuses, then socialism might be better for you. Liberals love socialism.

Do you want government to regulate our diet and what food we buy? Y/N?

 

[trenchfoot]

I'm safely assuming that Trump had decided to weaponize ICE for his personal use the day he slithered his ass into office.

With that in mind, I could think of a few racist reasons why he'd want to do such things, although I have been wondering why he chose Mississippi to make an example of.

The most plausible reason I could come up with is that Trump found out that the plant owners either insulted him or are donating to Democrats. This is based on how he used the power of his office to go after Jeff Bezos/Amazon.

Of course, another reason I think he chose that state is because it's solidly Repub leaning such that there'd be little if any blowback from the raid and might even ramp his ratings up a few notches there.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No, you mistake things. Capitalism allows greed and ambition to work for you, though. But it itself is not greed. If making money is what drives you, then you can succeed in a capitalist society. If one doesn't want to work hard and complains that it is too hard to make it because it requires effort and not making excuses, then socialism might be better for you. Liberals love socialism.

Do you want government to regulate our diet and what food we buy? Y/N?

I think you need to consider what @Starbuck1975 said, and my reply, and then your own. You literally just use different words to describe the same thing as I said.

"If making money is what drives you (aka greed), then you can succeed in a capitalist (greed driven) society"

The free market spoke, and the classic local butcher surviving while employing a handful of people is a rarity, not the norm. Mass produced meat products won the battle.

Now, I can go seek out that local butcher, but he's 30 minutes away at least and I may not want to spend the additional time, money, and gas it takes to purchase his product often.

 

[K1052]

Start with Trump.

It is impossible logically to support Trump on a hardline illegal worker stance when he profits handsomely form exploiting it over and over to this day. To hear most people tell it he should be in the Federal pokey serving a nice long sentence with fines if they actually meant it was about the jobs and not about the racism.

‘If you’re a good worker, papers don’t matter’: How a Trump construction crew has relied on immigrants without legal status

For nearly two decades, the Trump Organization has relied on a roving crew of Latin American employees to build fountains and waterfalls, sidewalks and rock walls at the company’s winery and its golf courses from New York to Florida.

Other employees at Trump clubs were so impressed by the laborers — who did strenuous work with heavy stone — that they nicknamed them “Los Picapiedras,” Spanish for “the Flintstones.”

For years, their ranks have included workers who entered the United States illegally, according to two former members of the crew. Another employee, still with the company, said that remains true today.

President Trump “doesn’t want undocumented people in the country,” said one worker, Jorge Castro, a 55-year-old immigrant from Ecuador without legal status who left the company in April after nine years. “But at his properties, he still has them.”

Hey union trade laborers who like the president:

Another immigrant who worked for the Trump construction crew, Edmundo Morocho, said he was told by a Trump supervisor to buy fake identity documents on a New York street corner. He said he once hid in the woods of a Trump golf course to avoid being seen by visiting labor union officials.

Just more lying:

But nothing changed on the Trump construction crew, according to current and former employees.

A spokeswoman for the Trump Organization said Mobile Payroll Construction is enrolled in E-Verify for any new hires. The company is still not listed in the public E-Verify database, which was last updated July 1.

The company did not directly respond to requests for comment about the legal status of the Mobile Construction workers, but said in a statement that “since this issue was first brought to our attention, we have taken diligent steps, including the use of E-Verify at all of our properties and companies.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...59014a-b3ab-11e9-8e94-71a35969e4d8_story.html

 

[HomerJS]

No, you mistake things. Capitalism allows greed and ambition to work for you, though. But it itself is not greed. If making money is what drives you, then you can succeed in a capitalist society. If one doesn't want to work hard and complains that it is too hard to make it because it requires effort and not making excuses, then socialism might be better for you. Liberals love socialism.

Do you want government to regulate our diet and what food we buy? Y/N?

Greed is not an outcome of capitalism it is already part of it. Capitalism allows you to roll into Florida after Hurricane Andrew charge $25/lb for ice and get it. Our sense of social justice doesn't allow that. Its called compassion. There is no compassion chapter in the capitalism manual.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yea, I mean, capitalism really is just greed with a different name.

Capitalism is a system. Like any system, it operated best for everyone when it is in balance. Exploiting cheap labor to mass produce over processed Dinosaur shaped Chicken nuggets to the benefit of shareholders and the C-suite is not balance, its insanity.

 

[Jaskalas]

Do you want government to regulate our diet and what food we buy? Y/N?

Capitalism is a system. Like any system, it operated best for everyone when it is in balance. Exploiting cheap labor to mass produce over processed Dinosaur shaped Chicken nuggets to the benefit of shareholders and the C-suite is not balance, its insanity.

First, it appears Starbuck is arguing for government intervention to restore balance.

Second, the thing you call socialism is NOTHING MORE than our effort to achieve that very same balance.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Capitalism is a system. Like any system, it operated best for everyone when it is in balance. Exploiting cheap labor to mass produce over processed Dinosaur shaped Chicken nuggets to the benefit of shareholders and the C-suite is not balance, its insanity.

It's capitalism in it's raw form. It's America thru and thru. Americans spent decades forming unions, and we were "at our best" for the couple decades to follow. But, alas, capitalists found workarounds.

You want corporate America to follow the rules? Good, me too, but it won't mean your food products are guaranteed to be made here

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesal...ugget-made-in-china-itll-soon-be-hard-to-know

And I know you don't think this will change under the GOP.

 

[cytg111]

Just listen to this Russian racist!

You are off your meds again.

 

[cytg111]

Unlikely to face prosecution....

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...-employers-arrest-charges-immigrants-business

 

[JEDIYoda]

While the America of my childhood was far from perfect, it was certainly better than what we’ve become.

So who was p9icking the lettuce in the fields and the strawberries and other produce back then? Not white americans….juas saying...

 

[Starbuck1975]

So who was p9icking the lettuce in the fields and the strawberries and other produce back then? Not white americans….juas saying...

It’s varied over time. Started as indentured servitude, shifted to slavery, shifted back to indentured servitude and finally became an ever-changing pattern of exploitable immigration waves: Irish, Chinese, southern Europeans, Mexicans and now Central Americans.

 

[Vic]

Let's not forget the American citizen that was tased, handcuffed and dragged to the detention center with the rest of the 600+ arrested, simply because he was brown. He tried to explain he was a citizen, but you know ICE, no proof is ever enough as they deport citizens simply because ICE cannot believe anything a POC tells them.....they're all liars, don't you know.

We've already seen from what happened with Sheriff Arpaio that the MAGA's don't care about legal American citizens who get arrested and even deported in their war on illegal immigration.

 

[BoomerD]

It’s varied over time. Started as indentured servitude, shifted to slavery, shifted back to indentured servitude and finally became an ever-changing pattern of exploitable immigration waves: Irish, Chinese, southern Europeans, Mexicans and now Central Americans.

Don't forget the"Okies" who fled during the dust bowl years and basically became migrant farm workers for years and years. once they started finding other types of employment and settling down, (and labor laws started applying to farm workers) the farmers became more and more dependent on illegal immigration.

 

[darkswordsman17]

We've already seen from what happened with Sheriff Arpaio that the MAGA's don't care about legal American citizens who get arrested and even deported in their war on illegal immigration.

We've also seen they don't care about rape (Arpaio's police force ignored hundreds of rape cases) other than claiming that hordes of non-white people are committing it while singular white men are sexually assaulting large numbers of women and girls and boys.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yea, I mean, capitalism really is just greed with a different name.

Its not Capitalism. Same thing happens under any and all economic ideologies (happens under Communism), which is why you need strong government to keep it in check, but also need checks on the government (like Democracy) to keep it from acting similarly or being corrupted by the inherent greed of human beings. What we've been seeing is those checks being eroded and the corruption taking over. If the people don't hold the government accountable, this is going to happen.

 

[BoomerD]

Its not Capitalism. Same thing happens under any and all economic ideologies (happens under Communism), which is why you need strong government to keep it in check, but also need checks on the government (like Democracy) to keep it from acting similarly or being corrupted by the inherent greed of human beings.

Make political corruption a death penalty offense...and use it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Its not Capitalism. Same thing happens under any and all economic ideologies (happens under Communism), which is why you need strong government to keep it in check, but also need checks on the government (like Democracy) to keep it from acting similarly or being corrupted by the inherent greed of human beings.

Capitalism justifies greed in ways that other ideologies don't. Ask Gordon Gekko.

 

[Jhhnn]

Make political corruption a death penalty offense...and use it.

We'd have to execute GOP politicians entirely. Big money donors run the Party the way Pro baseball ran farm teams in its heyday.

 

[Victorian Gray]

No, you mistake things. Capitalism allows greed and ambition to work for you, though. But it itself is not greed. If making money is what drives you, then you can succeed in a capitalist society. If one doesn't want to work hard and complains that it is too hard to make it because it requires effort and not making excuses, then socialism might be better for you. Liberals love socialism.

Do you want government to regulate our diet and what food we buy? Y/N?

#fuckofftroll

 

[BoomerD]

We'd have to execute GOP politicians entirely. Big money donors run the Party the way Pro baseball ran farm teams in its heyday.

Yeah, Citizens United was a stab in the heart for political honesty and openness. It SHOULD be overturned. Until we find a way to take the money out of politics, We the People are going to be fucked by We the Corporations.