ICE Arrests 680+ Illegal Workers in Mississippi Food Processing Raid

[HomerJS]

Documents: Plant owners ‘willfully’ used ineligible workers

You Trumpers are imbecilic fools into thinking Trump gives 2 shits about the immigration problem. If he did the CEO of this company would be in jail as well.

It's all about attacking brown people.

 

[Lanyap]

I'm familiar with this area. I spent a lot of time there when I was growing up and as an adult. My grandparents owned a small farm about 20 miles north of Morton and Forest and near Carthage. I eventually inherited the place but sold it a few years ago. 15+ years ago these meat processing plants were smaller and used locals, usually poor white and black folks that did not have skills to get better jobs or enough money to move elsewhere. They got old and either retired or left because they could not handle the rigors of the job. By that time the younger folks didn't want to do that type of manual work and either moved to the "big city" or were able to go to college to get a better job. About that time immigrants from the southern countries started showing up and doing the work the locals didn't want to do or couldn't do it. As the plants expanded the immigrants would tell friends and family to come up and get a job.

Although this is the largest work site raid in ICE's history it's not uncommon for them to do large work site raids. That said, Trump has made a lot of effort to go after these folks. Obama avoided work site raids and focused on catching and deporting criminal immigrants. Bush also had large work site raids (the kids were an issue then also). Not sure about Clinton but immigration laws that allowed this were tightened up under his admin - The US’s Immigration Crackdown Began Decades Ago Under Clinton

If these folks are deported it will devastate them, their families and the local businesses and economy. These folks may or may not pay income taxes but they are paying local taxes by buying goods from the local stores and keeping the economy going. They probably keep the local communities prosperous since these are rural areas.

My take: If ICE is going to do these types of work site raids they should keep the workers there on site for processing. It would be less traumatic for them and their families and easier for ICE. Let them go back to work unless they find some serious criminals. Vett the people and let them have temporary local work visas that have to be renewed every year and and notify ICE if they change jobs or move. Set them up with ITINs to pay income taxes. I guess we could fine the companies but then if we want to keep the folks working to do jobs that our folks won't do then the fines may cause them to fire them and then where would we be?

 

[UNCjigga]

OK I honestly never saw this coming...closest thing to an “apology” you’ll ever get from this Administration.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nate-timing-ice-raids-mississippi/1981130001/

So how soon does Trump start bashing McAleenan for being “weak”?

Edit: Wait, just re-read this part again...

"That means those employers are just ignoring the law entirely in what they do," McAleenan said. "That's why a judge gave us a warrant to go after them."

So...the judge approved a raid to target the employers...and instead they sent ICE to round up the employees? How many managers and owners were arrested again??

And people try to argue this Administration isn’t run by a racist...

 

[ch33zw1z]

OK I honestly never saw this coming...closest thing to an “apology” you’ll ever get from this Administration.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nate-timing-ice-raids-mississippi/1981130001/

So how soon does Trump start bashing McAleenan for being “weak”?

from the article:

"That means those employers are just ignoring the law entirely in what they do," McAleenan said. "That's why a judge gave us a warrant to go after them."

I'm not seeing anything here about employers getting in trouble.

 

[BoomerD]

King Donnie the Dotard has always said he would go after the illegal immigrants. I don't remember him EVER saying he would go after the businesses that hired them.

 

[Vic]

So basically, the owners and managers of these facilities were engaged in human trafficking, knowingly employing illegal labor, but will face no consequences for breaking our laws.

 

[K1052]

So basically, the owners and managers of these facilities were engaged in human trafficking, knowingly employing illegal labor, but will face no consequences for breaking our laws.

Laws are for poor people.

 

[Staples]

10 years ago every meat processing plant and farm was chock full of undocumented immigrants (at least this was the widely held consensus. So the staggering number they have rounded up on this raid isn't too surprising to me. I'd love to know how common these raids are because I think if they raided any big food processing operation or construction site, they would find a similly big number.

 

[K1052]

10 years ago every meat processing plant and farm was chock full of undocumented immigrants (at least this was the widely held consensus. So the staggering number they have rounded up on this raid isn't too surprising to me. I'd love to know how common these raids are because I think if they raided any big food processing operation or construction site, they would find a similly big number.

This is the universal truth of the service industry also.

Our economy is propped up on an ocean of illegal labor that we profess to hate yet can't get enough of. We aren't able or willing to reconcile with reality.

 

[jackstar7]

The reality that "You shall not replace us" isn't about robots/automation is just the most perfect illustration of how fucking dumb white supremacists are.

 

[Mandres]

This is the universal truth of the service industry also.

Our economy is propped up on an ocean of illegal labor that we profess to hate yet can't get enough of. We aren't able or willing to reconcile with reality.

Bingo. That's why illegal immigration is an un-solvable problem. Our economy depends on cheap, indentured labor and always has. Any politician who threatens the balance won't be around for long - the chambers of commerce will make sure of it.

 

[Mai72]

When these jobs become available, are Americans lining up to take them? Just curious. If anyone has a link to an article on this I'd be great if you could share it .

I have a hunch that most Americans aren't lining up to work at a meat factory for $10 an hour with zero benefits. I doubt Johnny and Mary are lining up to go work in the fields for 12 hour shifts under a blazing sun for $6 an hour. I could be wrong. But, I doubt it.

 

[K1052]

When these jobs become available, are Americans lining up to take them? Just curious. If anyone has a link to an article on this I'd be great if you could share it .

I have a hunch that most Americans aren't lining up to work at a meat factory for $10 an hour with zero benefits. I doubt Johnny and Mary are lining up to go work in the fields for 12 hour shifts under a blazing sun for $6 an hour. I could be wrong. But, I doubt it.

The short answer is no and the jobs pay better and have better benefits than you'd think. The work is too hard for most native borns, pretty much always has been. Immigrants legal or otherwise fill the gap.

From last year:

At a Texas meatpacking plant, jobs Americans won't take

https://www.chicagotribune.com/busi...king-plant-immigrant-jobs-20180305-story.html

 

[Mai72]

The short answer is no and the jobs pay better and have better benefits than you'd think. The work is too hard for most native borns, pretty much always has been. Immigrants legal or otherwise fill the gap.

From last year:

At a Texas meatpacking plant, jobs Americans won't take

https://www.chicagotribune.com/busi...king-plant-immigrant-jobs-20180305-story.html

We've gotten really lazy as a society. 50 years ago people would be lining up to fight for those positions. Today? Hmm... I could hear it now.

Oh, I don't do 12 hour shifts.
What do you mean I have to work on Sunday?
I'm not going to make $25 an hour? I'll pass.
I was only 15m late! What do you mean I'm always late!!!
Sorry, but I can't work today. I'm sick. (5th call out for this month)
This isn't my passion!!

Seems like construction workers, roofers today are mostly South American. They work! Aren't afraid to hustle, which tends to happen with first gen immigrants. My mom was first generation from France. Had 2 businesses while dealing with an auto immune disease. She could hardly breath and was still managing so much. Wasn't scared of hard work. Seems to be true for most first generation immigrants. Not always though.

 

[Jhhnn]

10 years ago every meat processing plant and farm was chock full of undocumented immigrants (at least this was the widely held consensus. So the staggering number they have rounded up on this raid isn't too surprising to me. I'd love to know how common these raids are because I think if they raided any big food processing operation or construction site, they would find a similly big number.

Look at it this way- If we sealed the border & deported 11,000 per week for 1000 weeks we could rid ourselves of the icky brown illegals. Which won't happen but we can terrorize the fuck out of them from Alaska to Florida. The deplorables love it, and Trump is all about keeping them happy.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The short answer is no and the jobs pay better and have better benefits than you'd think. The work is too hard for most native borns, pretty much always has been. Immigrants legal or otherwise fill the gap.

From last year:

At a Texas meatpacking plant, jobs Americans won't take

https://www.chicagotribune.com/busi...king-plant-immigrant-jobs-20180305-story.html

It's not job that Americans wont take.

It's jobs that piece of shit employers want to pay below what the position/market is worth.

So they convince retards that they are "jobs that americans wont do" in order to justify keeping it low shit pay and whining about wanting more immigrants.

 

[K1052]

It's not job that Americans wont take.

It's jobs that piece of shit employers want to pay below what the position/market is worth.

So they convince retards that they are "jobs that americans wont do" in order to justify keeping it low shit pay and whining about wanting more immigrants.

Generations of Americans have gotten used to the prices that this system has afforded them and would scream bloody fucking murder if costs were brought into line to use all native born American labor, assuming you could find enough of it which I highly doubt

All you'd likely succeed in doing is driving all this work out of the country and forgoing the major economic benefits that immigrants confer.

 

[K1052]

We've gotten really lazy as a society. 50 years ago people would be lining up to fight for those positions. Today? Hmm... I could hear it now.

Oh, I don't do 12 hour shifts.
What do you mean I have to work on Sunday?
I'm not going to make $25 an hour? I'll pass.
I was only 15m late! What do you mean I'm always late!!!
Sorry, but I can't work today. I'm sick. (5th call out for this month)
This isn't my passion!!

Seems like construction workers, roofers today are mostly South American. They work! Aren't afraid to hustle, which tends to happen with first gen immigrants. My mom was first generation from France. Had 2 businesses while dealing with an auto immune disease. She could hardly breath and was still managing so much. Wasn't scared of hard work. Seems to be true for most first generation immigrants. Not always though.

I think you're lamenting something that doesn't need a lot of lamentation. 1st gen immigrants typically bust their humps to improve their family's lives and that of their children by accessing opportunities that aren't available them at home. There probably aren't a ton of say Guatemalan landscapers that are doing their thing in order for their kids to end up doing it too.

 

[jmagg]

I think you're lamenting something that doesn't need a lot of lamentation. 1st gen immigrants typically bust their humps to improve their family's lives and that of their children by accessing opportunities that aren't available them at home. There probably aren't a ton of say Guatemalan landscapers that are doing their thing in order for their kids to end up doing it too.

Pretty much the American dream. For all.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Generations of Americans have gotten used to the prices that this system has afforded them and would scream bloody fucking murder if costs were brought into line to use all native born American labor, assuming you could find enough of it which I highly doubt

All you'd likely succeed in doing is driving all this work out of the country and forgoing the major economic benefits that immigrants confer.

Mhm, and they keep spouting bullshit like that statement you just made as well.

As if putting a decent amount into your labor is going to jack up Chicken prices to $20/lb. Get real.

Newsflash: My grocery bill used to be below $100, and on the rare case it was over $100 I must have stuffed the cart full of shit. Now? I see $200 every other week.

 

[K1052]

Mhm, and they keep spouting bullshit like that statement you just made as well.

As if putting a decent amount into your labor is going to jack up Chicken prices to $20/lb. Get real.

Since I don't know what level of compensation would make people take the jobs (nobody seems to have a good idea) I can't say exactly what the increase would be. I can say with confidence that foreign sourced products would be more attractive long before you reached that point though.

Newsflash: My grocery bill used to be below $100, and on the rare case it was over $100 I must have stuffed the cart full of shit. Now? I see $200 every other week.

As I am unfamiliar with the contents of your personal shopping cart over time I can't really speak to this.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's not job that Americans wont take.

It's jobs that piece of shit employers want to pay below what the position/market is worth.

So they convince retards that they are "jobs that americans wont do" in order to justify keeping it low shit pay and whining about wanting more immigrants.

Mhm, and they keep spouting bullshit like that statement you just made as well.

As if putting a decent amount into your labor is going to jack up Chicken prices to $20/lb. Get real.

Newsflash: My grocery bill used to be below $100, and on the rare case it was over $100 I must have stuffed the cart full of shit. Now? I see $200 every other week.

You have no answers. These people aren't going away & we deport just enough of them to keep them all living in fear.

So how do we raise industry wages? It's rough to unionize immigrants (legal or not) because they're afraid to stand up. It's also rough when the GOP has tweaked labor laws to their satisfaction & own the NLRB.

Keep voting GOP for more of that ruthless capitalist trickle down jerb creator goodness. No matter what else they promise, that's what we get, harder & deeper every time. Profit over people, always.

 

[JEDIYoda]

No, you mistake things. Capitalism allows greed and ambition to work for you, though. But it itself is not greed. If making money is what drives you, then you can succeed in a capitalist society. If one doesn't want to work hard and complains that it is too hard to make it because it requires effort and not making excuses, then socialism might be better for you. Liberals love socialism.

Do you want government to regulate our diet and what food we buy? Y/N?

rofl...knock off this shit that nobody but you believes!!

 

[TeeJay1952]

When Republicans talk immigrants they show gangs and ghettos.
When Republicans arrest they arrest poor working people.

 

[Lanyap]

Can't tell how many people are actually applying for the jobs but most are local veteran chicken plant workers.

After Mississippi ICE raids, job fair draws hopeful workers

By 10 a.m., a crowd of dozens was on hand, and steady stream of people came and went. Most were black and spoke with accents from the American South. A few appeared white or Hispanic.

Angela Stuesse, an anthropology professor at the University of North Carolina who spent years among labor organizers in Morton and nearby towns, said the desire for cheap, docile labor led poultry firms to begin recruiting Spanish-speakers in the late 1990s. At first, Stuesse said they were people who could legally work. But they were eventually replaced by Mexicans, Guatemalans and others who often lacked legal working papers. Later, came a wave from Argentina, Uruguay and Peru.