I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

[fskimospy]

Biden has an average lead of nine points (or more) on an incumbent president. What exactly is your threshold for viability beyond your personal perception of his speaking performance?

Haha, beat me to it. The guy who is winning by the largest margin in my adult lifetime isn’t just bad but totally nonviable.

 

[woolfe9998]

How large would Biden’s lead have to be for you to consider him a viable candidate? RCP average is about 10 now. What about 12? 15?

I ask because Biden’s current lead is larger than any Obama ever had and presumably you agree Obama was a viable candidate.

I think the counter to that is that the current poll numbers reflect Trump running around making an ass of himself while Biden is relatively quiet. Down the stretch, we have to assume that they will unleash the full lie machine at maximum power setting on Biden and try to tear him down.

That's why I remain concerned in spite of the polling.

 

[ondma]

Well maybe you guys are right, I actually hope you are. Time will tell though, and a lot can happen in the next 5 months.

 

[fskimospy]

I think the counter to that is that the current poll numbers reflect Trump running around making an ass of himself while Biden is relatively quiet. Down the stretch, we have to assume that they will unleash the full lie machine at maximum power setting on Biden and try to tear him down.

That's why I remain concerned in spite of the polling.

Yeah but that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m not saying Biden is certain to win but the idea that he is the underdog is wrong. The idea that he’s not a viable candidate is downright laughable. It’s delusional thinking.

 

[ondma]

I think the counter to that is that the current poll numbers reflect Trump running around making an ass of himself while Biden is relatively quiet. Down the stretch, we have to assume that they will unleash the full lie machine at maximum power setting on Biden and try to tear him down.

That's why I remain concerned in spite of the polling.

Exactly. You can also expect Trump to tout the great economy, and I have a feeling that he is going to do everything he can to force the FDA to approve some sort of Corona virus vaccine before the election.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I liked Mayor Pete, Amy, Corey Booker among others. Even Kamala Harris and Warren, although more liberal than the others, presented themselves much better than Biden.
But really, you are proving my point. The dems seem to be unable to come up with a viable candidate, really, e.g. Hillary and now Biden. Out of what, maybe 50 or a hundred million registered dems of presidential age, cant they do better than this?

Hell, during the protests, several mayors and governors spoke much more reasonably and coherently than Biden. Even our governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz, who has no national experience, presents himself very well in press conferences, much better than Biden.

Which one person

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah but that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m not saying Biden is certain to win but the idea that he is the underdog is wrong. The idea that he’s not a viable candidate is downright laughable. It’s delusional thinking.

Yes, I agree, obviously, that given the polling, he is not the "underdog." Trump is. I also agree he's "viable." My main concern is that when he's been asked touchy questions about Hunter Biden in the past, he gets flustered and has not responded well. This concerns me not only for debates but any time he gets asked in interviews about various outrageous accusations being thrown at him. I think there were others in the dem primary who could have handled the Trump attacks better.

Which is why I also think that Biden himself staying relatively low key throughout this election season is a good idea. He obviously can't hide. Can minimize appearances where he has to answer questions he doesn't know are coming.

Biden's biggest advantage is Trump himself. Biden barely has to even say anything about that. Trump makes the case with his own behavior on a daily basis.

 

[ondma]

Yeah but that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m not saying Biden is certain to win but the idea that he is the underdog is wrong. The idea that he’s not a viable candidate is downright laughable. It’s delusional thinking.

It is equally delusional to think Trump is some idiotic buffoon that has no chance to win. He already proved that to be wrong in 2016. He (and his republican and probably Russian) allies are extremely adept at what they do, which is tear down their opponents, rile up the base, and sow discord and division.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It is equally delusional to think Trump is some idiotic buffoon that has no chance to win. He already proved that to be wrong in 2016. He (and his republican and probably Russian) allies are extremely adept at what they do, which is tear down their opponents, rile up the base, and sow discord and division.

Pretty much this, I am waiting for the August Biden Campaign hack or DNC Hack part two

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, I agree, obviously, that given the polling, he is not the "underdog." Trump is. I also agree he's "viable." My main concern is that when he's been asked touchy questions about Hunter Biden in the past, he gets flustered and has not responded well. This concerns me not only for debates but any time he gets asked in interviews about various outrageous accusations being thrown at him. I think there were others in the dem primary who could have handled the Trump attacks better.

Which is why I also think that Biden himself staying relatively low key throughout this election season is a good idea. He obviously can't hide. Can minimize appearances where he has to answer questions he doesn't know are coming.

Biden's biggest advantage is Trump himself. Biden barely has to even say anything about that. Trump makes the case with his own behavior on a daily basis.

I think you are underestimating Biden’s ability to resist these attacks. There was an article not that long ago where Trump campaign people were lamenting the fact that in their focus groups none of their attacks on Biden worked. He’s basically a nice, pleasant guy who most people feel at least reasonably positively disposed towards. He has no history of accusations of corruption, etc.

Attacks work better when you already dislike the person and when it feeds into a narrative you already have. That’s much more important than now for an interview you give.

 

[fskimospy]

It is equally delusional to think Trump is some idiotic buffoon that has no chance to win. He already proved that to be wrong in 2016. He (and his republican and probably Russian) allies are extremely adept at what they do, which is tear down their opponents, rile up the base, and sow discord and division.

But literally no one has said he has no chance to win while you have personally said Biden isn’t viable.

 

[soundforbjt]

It is equally delusional to think Trump is some idiotic buffoon that has no chance to win. He already proved that to be wrong in 2016. He (and his republican and probably Russian) allies are extremely adept at what they do, which is tear down their opponents, rile up the base, and sow discord and division.

Trump definitely has a chance to win, but his luck/rigging is going to have to turn around because we know he won't.

 

[K1052]

Viablity and certainty to win are two extremely different things. Nobody can guarantee the latter.

 

[eelw]

But 2016 won’t be repeated. The worst two candidates together ever. As many hate Biden, far more people see him as VP.

Independents willing to give Trumpity Dumpity a try. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice?

Black voters that the Russian interference went after? They will be voting again this time.

But the most important difference. BLM. This current movement will get far more young people to vote than any other issue in recent history.

 

[K1052]

I think you are underestimating Biden’s ability to resist these attacks. There was an article not that long ago where Trump campaign people were lamenting the fact that in their focus groups none of their attacks on Biden worked. He’s basically a nice, pleasant guy who most people feel at least reasonably positively disposed towards. He has no history of accusations of corruption, etc.

Attacks work better when you already dislike the person and when it feeds into a narrative you already have. That’s much more important than now for an interview you give.

Even my hardcore Trumpist family members don't buy that Biden is evil or malicious. It's that hard a sell. The wild things they were wiling to entertain about Hillary knew no bounds.

2020 is not 2016 and people ignore that at their peril.

 

[Stokely]

The wildcard to me is the absolutely certain October news about the forthcoming and almost-ready miracle Covid19 vaccine. If there is one, or isn't one, that won't change the announcement one bit.

If not for the virus, I'd have suspected a war. A war won't fly, the enemy is the Kung Flu from China, so we are going to have an American vaccine made from Eagle Testosterone that goes first to red-blooded Americans, all others will be paying us huge amounts for it, which of course will fix the economy. If you don't think there's enough mushy middle morons who don't really follow politics that will believe something as stupid as this, I have a bridge to sell in the Everglades. Will it be enough for Trump?

If there's one thing that will do him in, it's shitting all over older people during this pandemic like they should just lay down and die as sacrifices to the economy for the ultra-rich (who have been making out very well indeed, but there's always MORE!!!). Will that GOP contempt counteract their abject terror of illegals and socialists? We'll see.

 

[Wreckem]

True!
Just ask any HIV person about vaccines and timing. Funny.... how so many people believe medical science can just flip a switch and poof, a vaccine for everyone. HIV started in what, 1980 - 1983 and it took until the mid 1990's for an effective treatment to come along, and as for an HIV vaccine? Well... there is none to be found some 40 YEARS LATER.

With the way things are going and the current pandemic, it could actually be far worse come November nation wide than it was at the height of the virus in New York or in Italy.
Should that happen, a massive resurgence of the virus, that would open a whole new can of worms i.e. would a major outbreak close down the nation again? Possibly a shutdown more extreme than the original showdown? And, how would that affect voting? Currently, republicans both national and locally are trying hard to limit to the bone mail-in balloting. So when November comes around and the pandemic has reached the mass-panic stage and republicans have successfully eliminated mail-in voting nation wide, then what?

Well, I have a good idea of then what? Then what would involve Trump postponing the election until further notice. Until either a vaccine is found and given to every American citizen, or.... until Joe Biden catches Covid 19 and dies from it, or.... until the biblical rapture takes place.

Never say that Donald Trump would never get away with postponing the election indefinitely. As long as republicans control most of the government and have pretty much castrated the one branch still controlled by the democrats, and many major states also in republican control, plus add in there that republican controlled US Supreme Court, well.... Donald Trump could definitely get away with postponing the election as long as he likes. Donald Trump could be one of those leaders that remain in office until the day he dies, just like Vladimir Putin and little Kim.

If this virus resurges into the pandemic of all pandemics, it would be very bad for democracy not to mention for free elections. But I doubt postponing elections indefinitely would really matter for most people, most people would be once again unemployed and busy looking for food. Any food.
And Happy Halloween you mother F-ers.

You can not compare HIV to Covid. HIV is a retrovirus that has no natural immunity because no one simply recovers from HIV. There will never likely be an HIV vaccine they works. But you do have multiple prophylactics that do a good job preventing transmission and you have multiple treatments they lead to normal life expectancies.

Coronaviruses don’t have those two things working against it in terms of a vaccine. They already had a lot of work done on SARS so the vaccine for SARS2 wasn’t exactly starting from scratch.

That said I don’t really expect an effective vaccine for a Covid to be fully available until next spring at the earliest.

 

[fskimospy]

The wildcard to me is the absolutely certain October news about the forthcoming and almost-ready miracle Covid19 vaccine. If there is one, or isn't one, that won't change the announcement one bit.

If not for the virus, I'd have suspected a war. A war won't fly, the enemy is the Kung Flu from China, so we are going to have an American vaccine made from Eagle Testosterone that goes first to red-blooded Americans, all others will be paying us huge amounts for it, which of course will fix the economy. If you don't think there's enough mushy middle morons who don't really follow politics that will believe something as stupid as this, I have a bridge to sell in the Everglades. Will it be enough for Trump?

If there's one thing that will do him in, it's shitting all over older people during this pandemic like they should just lay down and die as sacrifices to the economy for the ultra-rich (who have been making out very well indeed, but there's always MORE!!!). Will that GOP contempt counteract their abject terror of illegals and socialists? We'll see.

There will be more than that. I expect the announcement of a criminal investigation of some sort into Biden in the fall.

Trump will pull out every stop to cheat in order to win because it’s possible his life/freedom depend on it. I think it will be less effective than people think though.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The wildcard to me is the absolutely certain October news about the forthcoming and almost-ready miracle Covid19 vaccine. If there is one, or isn't one, that won't change the announcement one bit.

If not for the virus, I'd have suspected a war. A war won't fly, the enemy is the Kung Flu from China, so we are going to have an American vaccine made from Eagle Testosterone that goes first to red-blooded Americans, all others will be paying us huge amounts for it, which of course will fix the economy. If you don't think there's enough mushy middle morons who don't really follow politics that will believe something as stupid as this, I have a bridge to sell in the Everglades. Will it be enough for Trump?

If there's one thing that will do him in, it's shitting all over older people during this pandemic like they should just lay down and die as sacrifices to the economy for the ultra-rich (who have been making out very well indeed, but there's always MORE!!!). Will that GOP contempt counteract their abject terror of illegals and socialists? We'll see.

So my older deplorable and non deplorable friends seem okay with dying for the economy.
Sort of strange but maybe it is easier to understand when you are in the final stretch of your life.

 

[ewdotson]

Yeah, I'll add myself to the chorus of people who will readily agree that there's a long time left before the elections and, particularly given the certainty of major voter suppression, it would be foolhardy to write Trump off. But as bad as complacency would be, I don't believe fatalism to be any better. And I have seen a fair amount of that, not just here but in general.

I do think Biden is basically fine as a candidate. I get the appeal of a guy like Mayor Pete, but he had basically no support in the Black community. And a Dem isn't going to win if the Black vote doesn't turn out. They simply aren't. I do think that even should he win though, he'll be a one-term transitional president. "Return to normal" has a *powerful* appeal right now, but it's not going to last.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah, I'll add myself to the chorus of people who will readily agree that there's a long time left before the elections and, particularly given the certainty of major voter suppression, it would be foolhardy to write Trump off. But as bad as complacency would be, I don't believe fatalism to be any better. And I have seen a fair amount of that, not just here but in general.

I do think Biden is basically fine as a candidate. I get the appeal of a guy like Mayor Pete, but he had basically no support in the Black community. And a Dem isn't going to win if the Black vote doesn't turn out. They simply aren't. I do think that even should he win though, he'll be a one-term transitional president. "Return to normal" has a *powerful* appeal right now, but it's not going to last.

To your last point, I would say that people may be paying closer attention to Biden's VP pick than usual this time around, because that person has a higher chance than usual to actually become POTUS in the near term.

 

[fskimospy]

Speaking of all this, this ad is pretty funny.

'Whiny b****': Anti-Trump Republican group mocks president over ramp walk

Ad ends with Joe Biden jogging up same ramp as group declares of former VP: ‘He’s not a whiny b****’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Jhhnn]

How large would Biden’s lead have to be for you to consider him a viable candidate? RCP average is about 10 now. What about 12? 15?

I ask because Biden’s current lead is larger than any Obama ever had and presumably you agree Obama was a viable candidate.

He's concern trolling, actually a form of gaslighting. Anybody the Dems could have picked would now be inadequate.

It is equally delusional to think Trump is some idiotic buffoon that has no chance to win. He already proved that to be wrong in 2016. He (and his republican and probably Russian) allies are extremely adept at what they do, which is tear down their opponents, rile up the base, and sow discord and division.

That's what you're doing, isn't it?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I liked Mayor Pete, Amy, Corey Booker among others. Even Kamala Harris and Warren, although more liberal than the others, presented themselves much better than Biden.
But really, you are proving my point. The dems seem to be unable to come up with a viable candidate, really, e.g. Hillary and now Biden. Out of what, maybe 50 or a hundred million registered dems of presidential age, cant they do better than this?

Hell, during the protests, several mayors and governors spoke much more reasonably and coherently than Biden. Even our governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz, who has no national experience, presents himself very well in press conferences, much better than Biden.

So what real world person should be the nominee?

 

[theeedude]

Do what? Stay alive until January while Trump self destructs?