I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

[sandorski]

Unfortunately, you've shown us all that the only reason you're in any discussion here is to tear down the Democrats. Your promotion of Tara Reade's scurrilous & utterly preposterous accusations showed that entirely. Starbuck did the same. When the GOP tries to re-animate the corpse of Ukrainian corruption you'll be right on that, too, I suspect. Maybe you can give us the creepy Joe & the senile Joe routines while you're at it.

The Democrats deserve every word of it. They have abandoned the People in favour of the Oligarchy. This must end.

 

[UberNeuman]

The Democrats deserve every word of it. They have abandoned the People in favour of the Oligarchy. This must end.

I enjoyed how you bailed on the Biden thread when the truth was clear. Coward.

Since your admitted MO is to spread disinformation and lies, that should end.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I'm actually starting to think there is no "real" or "organized" plan to get reelected. There probably is no plan to distract from the Covid anymore. I'm not sure that there is even a plan to pander to his base. Given his level of power that people have given him people assume there is actually something there, but there really isn't. All there is is spontaneous reaction. It only appears as that he is trying to distract, because he is always trying to throw himself into the lime light, and the colossal failures come so fast and furious, that you can't keep track of them all. But that's not by design, its just the way things happen when there is no plan.

From the begining, the only goal is to promote his Brand. His Brand is a smart, courageous, wily, tough, charming, funny, non nonsense, virile, alpha male, who everyone wants to be. Right?. He's a winner who is the greatest at everything and never wrong. He is the dumb person's idea of what a smart person is, a weak person's view of what a strong person is, and a loser's idea of what a successful person is.

Brand promotion is the only reason he ran for president, he didn't have any particular agenda in mind he just thought it would be cool to be able to say he was president. I think a lot of his base pandering is simply operant conditioning. When he says certain things, he gets big cheers at his rallies, and headlines on Fox, so he keeps saying those things.

Only wimps talk about feeling, compromise, coming together and reconciliation. The way to deal with conflict is to bust some heads until you force them into submission. Dirty hairy doesn't say "OK lets talk about this before things get out of hand". He says "make my day!" and the bad guy gives in. So when confronted with a social uprising to injustice, his only plan - send in the troops.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm actually starting to think there is no "real" or "organized" plan to get reelected. There probably is no plan to distract from the Covid anymore. I'm not sure that there is even a plan to pander to his base. Given his level of power that people have given him people assume there is actually something there, but there really isn't. All there is is spontaneous reaction. It only appears as that he is trying to distract, because he is always trying to throw himself into the lime light, and the colossal failures come so fast and furious, that you can't keep track of them all. But that's not by design, its just the way things happen when there is no plan.

From the begining, the only goal is to promote his Brand. His Brand is a smart, courageous, wily, tough, charming, funny, non nonsense, virile, alpha male, who everyone wants to be. Right?. He's a winner who is the greatest at everything and never wrong. He is the dumb person's idea of what a smart person is, a weak person's view of what a strong person is, and a loser's idea of what a successful person is.

Brand promotion is the only reason he ran for president, he didn't have any particular agenda in mind he just thought it would be cool to be able to say he was president. I think a lot of his base pandering is simply operant conditioning. When he says certain things, he gets big cheers at his rallies, and headlines on Fox, so he keeps saying those things.

Only wimps talk about feeling, compromise, coming together and reconciliation. The way to deal with conflict is to bust some heads until you force them into submission. Dirty hairy doesn't say "OK lets talk about this before things get out of hand". He says "make my day!" and the bad guy gives in. So when confronted with a social uprising to injustice, his only plan - send in the troops.

Yes, Nate Silver said something to this effect - if you think there is some grand strategy at play here you might also want to consider the possibility that this is just a guy who is in way over his head flailing wildly.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Democrats deserve every word of it. They have abandoned the People in favour of the Oligarchy. This must end.

Truthiness!

 

[sandorski]

I enjoyed how you bailed on the Biden thread when the truth was clear. Coward.

Since your admitted MO is to spread disinformation and lies, that should end.

What more was there to discuss? I left when my mind had changed and there was nothing left to discuss.

Ask yourself this: It is clear that the Republican Party is vile, why do the American People keep giving them second chances?

My opinion: It is because the Democrats do not stand out as not being vile as well. They are beholden to the same Oligarchs as the Republicans.

 

[sandorski]

Truthiness!

Denial.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I hope Joe wins but he might have antagonized some of the black vote with that on air gaffe with that rapper. Maybe pickup Kamala Harris or Cunilingus Rice?

If he did Trump gave it back to Biden through his incompetance!

 

[VRAMdemon]

Yes, Nate Silver said something to this effect - if you think there is some grand strategy at play here you might also want to consider the possibility that this is just a guy who is in way over his head flailing wildly.

I think now, the job of president has no interest to him. The main thing to him is losing. He doesn't want to be labeled a "loser". It's his worst nightmare because he's mentally ill. NPD

He's probably given up on winning a fair contest. He's panicking and realizes that his chances of winning a fair election are dwindling by the day.

What he's doing now is laying the groundwork to wreck the political system so that he can steal a second term. Whether he succeeds or not, nobody knows, but know that he's going to try "grand theft politics."

 

[cytg111]

It's not about a return to normal. It's about progress, about the more perfect Union Obama talked about. It's about better rather than about the same.

What carved a path for Trump wasn't what Dems did but what decades of relentless right wing mind rot did to the attitudes of all too many Americans.

I am just thinking that all that negative HC propaganda is still around, justified or not, not, but the closer you align yourself with that picture, the trap might snap.

 

[eelw]

I think now, the job of president has no interest to him. The main thing to him is losing. He doesn't want to be labeled a "loser". It's his worst nightmare because he's mentally ill.

Yup primary reason he wants to win even if he hates the responsibility. I bet he’s rather get removed by impeachment over losing in November. Only thing worse is if he’s removed by 25th amendment

As for comment earlier about him avoiding prosecution, he’ll just flee the country before it gets that far.

 

[Jhhnn]

What more was there to discuss? I left when my mind had changed and there was nothing left to discuss.

Ask yourself this: It is clear that the Republican Party is vile, why do the American People keep giving them second chances?

My opinion: It is because the Democrats do not stand out as not being vile as well. They are beholden to the same Oligarchs as the Republicans.

You certainly do your best to paint that picture. It enables the GOP entirely, of course, which is the goal of all bothsiderism. Don't vote. Stay home, because they're all the same. In the meanwhile, the GOP revs up their voters with the usual culture war wedge issues.

 

[sandorski]

You certainly do your best to paint that picture. It enables the GOP entirely, of course, which is the goal of all bothsiderism. Don't vote. Stay home, because they're all the same. In the meanwhile, the GOP revs up their voters with the usual culture war wedge issues.

No, it's why People don't vote, because there is Truth in it. Your refusal to admit the similarities blinds you to why it is such a struggle to Win in the first place. It is very difficult for the People to distinguish a difference between the 2 Parties, because they Govern in such similar fashions.

 

[hal2kilo]

The Democrats deserve every word of it. They have abandoned the People in favour of the Oligarchy. This must end.

Awe, come on. Nothin wrong with the Bros.

Staffers lash out in Bernie world meltdown

Long simmering tensions within the Sanders campaign have gone public.

www.politico.com

 

[sandorski]

Awe, come on. Nothin wrong with the Bros.

Staffers lash out in Bernie world meltdown

Long simmering tensions within the Sanders campaign have gone public.

www.politico.com

Ok

 

[Jhhnn]

No, it's why People don't vote, because there is Truth in it. Your refusal to admit the similarities blinds you to why it is such a struggle to Win in the first place. It is very difficult for the People to distinguish a difference between the 2 Parties, because they Govern in such similar fashions.

Yeh, the similarities between Trump & Obama are beyond obvious, huh? Well, if only for propagandists of the burn it down persuasion. Democrats were only free to govern as they saw fit for a brief period in 2009 before Ted Kennedy died. You remember. Back when the economy was in free fall. We've had to contend with GOP hostage taking or outright control the rest of the time.

But do go on. Tell us about how Democrats are just the same as Louie Gohmert, Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Devin Nunes, Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell & Donald fucking Trump. About how Democrats just aren't good enough.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No, it's why People don't vote, because there is Truth in it. Your refusal to admit the similarities blinds you to why it is such a struggle to Win in the first place. It is very difficult for the People to distinguish a difference between the 2 Parties, because they Govern in such similar fashions.

If you never show up to vote nobody is going to put any serious effort into anything you want.
My personal observation on you and another poster is you want everything, you want absolute perfection in any candidates background. This is unobtainable, no human is capable of living a life that you 100% approve of for decades.
My suggestion would be target a few topics that are important to you but keep it a little vague like:
I want wealthy people to pay more taxes
I want less military deployments
I want student loan relief
Or whatever.
Don’t expect a strong Daddy to magically appear and fulfill all your dreams, settle with someone who has similar but maybe not identical goals as you.
Just advice, take it or take what you want.

 

[sandorski]

Yeh, the similarities between Trump & Obama are beyond obvious, huh? Well, if only for propagandists of the burn it down persuasion. Democrats were only free to govern as they saw fit for a brief period in 2009 before Ted Kennedy died. You remember. Back when the economy was in free fall. We've had to contend with GOP hostage taking or outright control the rest of the time.

But do go on. Tell us about how Democrats are just the same as Louie Gohmert, Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Devin Nunes, Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell & Donald fucking Trump. About how Democrats just aren't good enough.

I have stated this many times, there are issues beyond a politicians dispositions. People have Needs and how the 2 Parties address those Needs is where there is little Material difference. So go ahead, keep focusing on the differences that don't matter to the Day to Day lives of People. They have already accepted that as the Status Quo.

 

[sandorski]

If you never show up to vote nobody is going to put any serious effort into anything you want.
My personal observation on you and another poster is you want everything, you want absolute perfection in any candidates background. This is unobtainable, no human is capable of living a life that you 100% approve of for decades.
My suggestion would be target a few topics that are important to you but keep it a little vague like:
I want wealthy people to pay more taxes
I want less military deployments
I want student loan relief
Or whatever.
Don’t expect a strong Daddy to magically appear and fulfill all your dreams, settle with someone who has similar but maybe not identical goals as you.
Just advice, take it or take what you want.

There was a time when the Democratic Party was clearly different than the Republican Party on actual issues that matter.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There was a time when the Democratic Party was clearly different than the Republican Party on actual issues that matter.

This is a good point and look at it as:
Do you want Government more involved in healthcare or less involved in healthcare, basic D vs R stuff right there
or
Do you want the President to have no oversight or do you want the President to have oversight. Real world right now D vs R item.

 

[Muse]

No, it's why People don't vote, because there is Truth in it. Your refusal to admit the similarities blinds you to why it is such a struggle to Win in the first place. It is very difficult for the People to distinguish a difference between the 2 Parties, because they Govern in such similar fashions.

Man, you need a fuckin' mental reboot, maybe LSD if you think both D & R parties are pretty much the same right now. You've been living with your head underground. fuckin wake up.

 

[sandorski]

Man, you need a fuckin' mental reboot, maybe LSD if you think both D & R parties are pretty much the same right now. You've been living with your head underground. fuckin wake up.

"Right now" is a special circumstance. The reason "Right now" exists and why there is a great risk that it will exist again in the future is what I am talking about. The Democratic Party has been going astray for decades, abandoning the People in favour of the same Wealthy Masters that the Republicans embraced.

What has resulted is that the Middle Class has shrunk while the Lower Class has ballooned. People who once could Save for Retirement now can't afford an unexpected $400 expense. A Person who once could raise a family on 1 Job, now requires more than 1 Job just to survive on their own. These are only a few of the Real Issues that matter to Real People who find no Hope in 2 political parties serving the Status Quo. Whether a politician is Mean/Nice, Stupid/Smart, or Racist/Inclusive ranks far down the list of priorities for People who struggle each day just to survive. This is why when a Politician promises Change, Democrat or Republican, they receive support, even despite poor track records or the apparent vileness of the candidate.

If Biden wins in November and, fingers crossed, Trump steps down without incident, the danger to the US will not subside until the People's concerns once again become the priority of Government.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This goes beyond sticking it to the libs. Trump crossed the most dangerous of lines.

This is about being on the right side of history.

I don’t care for Biden, because to me he represents the uninspired, hypocritical, opportunistic and nepotistic political establishment that paved the road to Trump. That is not bothsiderism, it is a hard truth. I’ve also come to accept that many of you will never acknowledge this, and that is ok.

Having said that, I pledge to vote for Biden because removing Trump is the only consideration at this moment in history.

I generally agree. It's just that Trump's selling it to his voters as sticking it to the libs. It just seems not as many are buying it. Time will tell how stupid America chooses to be.

 

[dank69]

What more was there to discuss? I left when my mind had changed and there was nothing left to discuss.

Ask yourself this: It is clear that the Republican Party is vile, why do the American People keep giving them second chances?

My opinion: It is because the Democrats do not stand out as not being vile as well. They are beholden to the same Oligarchs as the Republicans.

Reality: conservative media slimes the shit out of Democrats/liberals 24/7 and gullible people (you included) lap it up.

 

[sandorski]

Reality: conservative media slimes the shit out of Democrats/liberals 24/7 and gullible people (you included) lap it up.

Yes, because that is what I have been doing for the last fucking 22 years.