I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

[Grey_Beard]

The Trump campaign has torched almost a billion dollars to run 8-9 points, on average, behind Biden. When the candidate is self sabotaging the campaign the money doesn't matter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1285584076733374470

Did he not brag in 2016 that he spent so little and won? Maybe the Russians are not as effective as were 4 years ago. Brad Parscale probably got $500 million for his efforts. Grifters love grifters.

 

[zinfamous]

It seems the Biden campaign has nearly closed the gap with Trump's for cash on hand: 242M vs 295M

Reports that big donors across the political spectrum are opening wallets. Wall St increasingly deciding Trump is doomed and others want stability because it's good for biz instead of *gestures at entire country* this.

does that take into account the "free" advertising he gets outside of his campaign from groups like TLP?

 

[K1052]

does that take into account the "free" advertising he gets outside of his campaign from groups like TLP?

Just campaign cash.

 

[K1052]

Speaking of self sabotage. Discouraging voting by mail and also claiming the election is rigged aren't exactly time honored methods to increase your turnout. There is a reason GOPers with a brain are shitting bricks over this.

 

[Grey_Beard]

does that take into account the "free" advertising he gets outside of his campaign from groups like TLP?

He is not advertising like tRump. I see three adds from the tRump campaign to everyone Biden add. He has already gone negative. I am tired of the commercial where no one can answer the phone because of the police being defunded, like the police answers the 911 calls.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Exactly and it won`t be a citizen...you do have a right to defend yourself with deadly nforce against people trying to kidnap you...

Speaking of self sabotage. Discouraging voting by mail and also claiming the election is rigged aren't exactly time honored methods to increase your turnout. There is a reason GOPers with a brain are shitting bricks over this.

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Both of them?

 

[fskimospy]

Just campaign cash.

I think the most likely hypothesis is that campaign spending doesn’t matter that much and campaign cash is more a signal of support than something that generates support by itself.

 

[K1052]

I think the most likely hypothesis is that campaign spending doesn’t matter that much and campaign cash is more a signal of support than something that generates support by itself.

I think past a certain threshold that's probably right. There is a base level of financing required to make a campaign function and do advertising but I'm pressed to say that spending $1B is inherently superior to say spending $200M on it's own. The party apparatus and its funding is probably more important than the candidate's campaign fundraising though the latter is often a vehicle for that.

 

[hal2kilo]

He is not advertising like tRump. I see three adds from the tRump campaign to everyone Biden add. He has already gone negative. I am tired of the commercial where no one can answer the phone because of the police being defunded, like the police answers the 911 calls.

Depends on where you live. He's not wasting much money in western Washington state it appears. I see slightly more Biden ads here.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Depends on where you live. He's not wasting much money in western Washington state it appears. I see slightly more Biden ads here.

In Florida, he is spending much of the $1B, as he is on multiple times per hour. Would love to see the spend by State.

 

[eelw]

That’s what I don’t get with American politics. Billions spent throughout the campaign. Why not pledge to spend all this money to help people instead of smearing the opponent.

 

[Grey_Beard]

That’s what I don’t get with American politics. Billions spent throughout the campaign. Why not pledge to spend all this money to help people instead of smearing the opponent.

Because smearing your opponent is more effective to get elected.

 

[Jhhnn]

In Florida, he is spending much of the $1B, as he is on multiple times per hour. Would love to see the spend by State.

Good luck with Florida, Donnie. I think seniors there are a little disappointed in his pandemic response, about being totally sold out They're nearly 20% of the population & anticipated to be nearly 1/3 of votes cast.

 

[Jhhnn]

Because smearing your opponent is more effective to get elected.

Def for Republicans.

 

[hal2kilo]

Because smearing your opponent is more effective to get elected.

Thing is Pubs don't smear you on policy, they smear you. I always remind myself that a lot of this shit started with Newt Gingrich.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Good luck with Florida, Donnie. I think seniors there are a little disappointed in his pandemic response, about being totally sold out They're nearly 20% of the population & anticipated to be nearly 1/3 of votes cast.

The ads are all fear mongering. These are effective for that population. Right now the virus debacle is louder, but if that stops, these voters will remember that no one will answer the 911 call if we defund the police. I have seen that ad so much it makes me angry since it is such a misrepresentation.

 

[hal2kilo]

The ads are all fear mongering. These are effective for that population. Right now the virus debacle is louder, but if that stops, these voters will remember that no one will answer the 911 call if we defund the police. I have seen that ad so much it makes me angry since it is such a misrepresentation.

Fear is grist for the mill for conservative philosophy. I starts with fear of change.

 

[fskimospy]

The ads are all fear mongering. These are effective for that population. Right now the virus debacle is louder, but if that stops, these voters will remember that no one will answer the 911 call if we defund the police. I have seen that ad so much it makes me angry since it is such a misrepresentation.

I think the funniest part of Trump scaremongering about the nightmarish hellscape America will become of Biden is president is that he’s using images of when Trump is president.

Lol.

 

[Jhhnn]

The ads are all fear mongering. These are effective for that population. Right now the virus debacle is louder, but if that stops, these voters will remember that no one will answer the 911 call if we defund the police. I have seen that ad so much it makes me angry since it is such a misrepresentation.

The pandemic debacle won't stop, certainly not in Florida, not without drastic action. Fat chance withDeSantis in charge, huh?

People are in for a very rough ride all across the South. That's just how exponential increase works.

 

[soundforbjt]

The ads are all fear mongering. These are effective for that population. Right now the virus debacle is louder, but if that stops, these voters will remember that no one will answer the 911 call if we defund the police. I have seen that ad so much it makes me angry since it is such a misrepresentation.

As usual, the Trump campaign has no imagination or originality. The first campaign "borrowed" Reagan's campaign slogan dropping the first word of it...How original.
Now this time he's running Nixon's 1968 Law & Order campaign on steroids.
This is nothing new by republicans.

 

[Mai72]

I think Trump and the Republicans are in a TON of trouble if they don't put out another stimulus, and do something about unemployment. There are going to be millions and millions of people unemployed and hurting. We could see a sweep from the democrats in both the senate and President. If this happens, and I feel like it's very likely, we just might see some form of UBI. I even think a few Republican voters could swing to the other side, because many will be hurting as well.

People don't vote for freedom. They vote for free stuff.

 

[K1052]

I think Trump and the Republicans are in a TON of trouble if they don't put out another stimulus, and do something about unemployment. There are going to be millions and millions of people unemployed and hurting. We could see a sweep from the democrats in both the senate and President. If this happens, and I feel like it's very likely, we just might see some form of UBI. I even think a few Republican voters could swing to the other side, because many will be hurting as well.

People don't vote for freedom. They vote for free stuff.

Republicans have conditioned people to believe that substandard governance and disastrous policy is freedom.

 

[ondma]

Trump is insisting on a payroll tax cut in the next stimulus (assuming there is one).
Really bad idea, as it will not help the unemployed at all, or retirees either. But just typical of the way Repubs do things. It will also put even more financial strain on Social Security and Medicare, which are underfunded already and have been used for decades to prop up deficits in other areas. Really hope the house can block this.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump is insisting on a payroll tax cut in the next stimulus (assuming there is one).
Really bad idea, as it will not help the unemployed at all, or retirees either. But just typical of the way Repubs do things. It will also put even more financial strain on Social Security and Medicare, which are underfunded already and have been used for decades to prop up deficits in other areas. Really hope the house can block this.

Idiot Pub Senator I saw interviewed on MSNBC was bitching that 3 trillion was just too much for the COVID package, and we already have a 26 trillion debt. The idea is DOA from (I get to use the words properly) both sides.

 

[Thump553]

Idiot Pub Senator I saw interviewed on MSNBC was bitching that 3 trillion was just too much for the COVID package, and we already have a 26 trillion debt. The idea is DOA from (I get to use the words properly) both sides.

Ask that senator how much his party's tax cut added to the deficit. It will be an additional trillion dollars to the deficit in 2020 alone (see below)-before any COVID effects are taken into consideration. Remember that bill was sold as something which would cost nothing, probably reduce the deficit. Coupled with how little effect that tax cut had-it was basically a sugar high to over inflate the economy-you don't even have to be a deficit hawk to see the absolute waste there. OTOH, when basically the entire population is hurt, something has to be done. Maybe we can make up for it by skipping the next war?

Trump’s Wasteful Tax Cuts Lead To Continued Trillion Dollar Deficits In Expanding Economy

If tax cuts actually paid for themselves, they would reduce deficits based on faster growth. Deficits shot up in the wake of the 2017 supply-side tax cuts. And CBO forecasts that those deficits will continue to stay high -- the opposite of tax cuts paying for themselves.

www.forbes.com