shortylickens
No Lifer
- Jul 15, 2003
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Only if the British army after the Battle of Waterloo decided to help end the war of 1812 instead of the Treaty Of Ghent.
ultimatebob
Lifer
- Jul 1, 2001
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I thought that we wanted to take Greenland first, so we could deliver a crushing defeat to Canada by invading them on three sides! They won't know what hit 'em!
- Feb 1, 2008
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It’s going to be all about the virus. We have some three months to go before November. We currently have over 3.5 million Americans with the virus, probably double that. We have a population around 315 million within America. So.... we have some 311 million Americans still waiting to catch the virus and it does matter what kind of government we have and it does matter who we have leading that government and it does matter right down to the local level with our governors and mayors. If the majority of Americans can be convinced that it does indeed matter who runs America in the next four years, during a pandemic, then Joe Biden has it in the bank. If Donald Trump can muddy the waters to suppress the numbers, suppress the truth from getting to the public, corrupt the data about the virus, then that is where Donald Trump could win. Just as with 2016, everything will depend on the intelligence of the America people and frankly I have little hope that America is smart enough to do the right thing. I can see America re-electing Donald Trump out of the ignorance and ideology of division. That is why Donald Trump focuses so much on the division part. When you disagree strongly with someone, logic and intelligence falls away and winning becomes all that matters regardless of the cost. Donald Trump wants people to toss logic and reason to the wind and vote on the division against one another. In this world of social media and short attention span, Donald Trump holds the upper hand. And with all of this, the mask issue is about to play a major part in dividing Americans even more. Masks could lead us into an actual American civil war. God knows, America has the guns for a civil war.
Yea, I dont understand the mask issue. Trump and his supporters want desperately to open the country up. A unified push to wear masks would help do this and help keep it open. Yet they still argue against it at every turn. I guess it is part of their strategy of division, but especially in this case it seems they are clearly shooting themselves in the foot.
ivwshane
Lifer
- May 15, 2000
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It really boils down to two things; liberals bad, trump good. That’s it. If the liberals are doing it, they aren’t and if trump supports it, so do they and trump is just like them so it’s an endless loop.
hal2kilo
Lifer
- Feb 24, 2009
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Trump's new campaign strategy wants to make Biden out as a police de-funder radical, and a destroyer of the American way of life (which we are all in complete agreement of what that means). Good luck.
Heh. Trump is desperate to change the conversation so he'll try anything. That lie is too big for anybody to sell it, even Trump.
They're going all in on the culture war-
Classic Nazi propaganda technique- tell them they're being attacked!
Classic Nazi propaganda technique- tell them they're being attacked!
Indus
Lifer
- May 11, 2002
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The polls are wrong.
He's a Trump supporter's wet dream! Killing so many people at will, taking their rights away, sticking it to non whites, kidnapping them, beating them if they stand up to him and fucking up the elderly. They can't wait to VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN!!!
And on the flip side look how enthusiastic young/ millenial voters are for Joe Biden. He doesn't support medicare for all, universal basic income, taxing the rich to create better job skills/ education for all so this is pretty much gonna be a senior vs senior election.. those who don't wanna die by Trump's incompetence and those who love Trump.
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woolfe9998
Lifer
- Apr 8, 2013
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I would view +15 as an outlier to an average +9 right now, but this is the second +15 in 2 days, the last being Quinnipiac. Both pollsters are highly rated, and highly weighted, at 538. This pollster is rated A+. There was a slight narrowing from 9.5 to 9 but these might signal a widening.
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- Feb 1, 2008
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Well.... the best news I heard today on one news show was that Joe Biden need do nothing, nothing at all to win the election. That Joe Biden can easily win by playing it low, sitting back, and let Donald Trump become his own worst enemy. Just play it safe Joe and watch as a defeated Donald Trump goes totally insane. And that might work because if Joe Biden continues to rise in the polls as Donald Trump continues to fall in the polls while Joe Biden just sits there doing little or next to nothing, that would certainly drive Donald Trump crazy. Trump pulling every stunt that he can to make some headway while Joe Biden does nothing yet Joe still pulling way ahead. That would be true bliss to watch.
It is not "news" now. It is an opinion, and one that I think is very dangerous for Biden.
Indus
Lifer
- May 11, 2002
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What is scary is he's not moving up from 48-50ish.. its Trump dropping so those people could yet come back to Trump.
And things will no doubtedly tighten in October.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
- Jul 13, 2005
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K1052
Elite Member
- Aug 21, 2003
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The poll is pretty clear what's mostly driving his numbers down (coronavirus response) and I'd expect more polling to reflect this too as time goes on and things gets worse. Berating states to open, rooting on unwise governors, and attacking the competent leaders people generally trust is having consequences since the results are horrible.
Another problem for Trump in this survey is that Biden is beating him by 9 points on "safety and security" which is a small issue if your entire re-elect strategy now hinges on painting him as a harbinger of disorder and chaos who will abolish the cops. Scaremongering voters into believing that Biden will defund the police looks like an electoral dead end like the caravans were in 2018. Also Biden is not Clinton so all Trump's personality liabilities are in play this time as voters decide it doesn't have to be this way.
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K1052
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- Aug 21, 2003
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Two things can be true
1)There hasn't been an incumbent in this bad of shape since at least 1980, possibly longer.
2) Polls will tighten as partisans come home.
The degree to which #2 happens is still somewhat dependent on the candidate and Trump's out there burning every bridge he can find just to keep warm.
It's not so much that Trump can win as it is about how Joe can lose. As the campaigns build steam heading toward November, people are not going to be able to escape Joe's racist past. His opposition to busing and integration, his comments, his crime bill, etc.
This OP ed gives good examples.
This OP ed gives good examples.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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I'll take a checkered past of an evolved human vs a absolutely disgusting present like Trump and his supporters who are only de-evolving, and I think most people with common sense will do the same.
Fanatical Meat
Lifer
- Feb 4, 2009
- 35,862
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Based on the way some here were during the Kavanaugh hearings, your argument is bunk. Either the past matters or it doesn't.
Fanatical Meat
Lifer
- Feb 4, 2009
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- 136
K1052
Elite Member
- Aug 21, 2003
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This is like a message from an alternate universe where Trump isn't doing everything short of dressing up in full Klan regalia to lock down his racist base. The man can't stop talking about Jim Crow era statues of traitors or draping himself rhetorically in the Confederate flag every chance he gets. Oh yes it's Biden's past that voters are going to have front of mind...right.
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