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QED

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Well, modern science is the observation of facts and drawing of conclusions from that.
Their denial of facts is what scares me.

And you've observed macro-evolution? Have evidence of it?

Does witnessing reverse macro-evolution count? I think I've personally seen some ATOT posters with human-like intelligence spontaneously regress to neanderthal levels...

:p
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: MathMan
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Well, modern science is the observation of facts and drawing of conclusions from that.
Their denial of facts is what scares me.

And you've observed macro-evolution? Have evidence of it?

Does witnessing reverse macro-evolution count? I think I've personally seen some ATOT posters with human-like intelligence spontaneously regress to neanderthal levels...

:p

hahaha, i believe you're referring to me :(

You can't really observe it, but yes.
The fact that we can follow species on several continents evolve seperately, and seing primitive species of, not only humans, but also other anlmals.
We see how viruses evolve. We can see how the bredding of dogs work, that's pretty obvious.
As we know that they all evolved from an original kind of "dog."
 

lyssword

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10million as you say? hmm thats less than 3% of population of USA. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more % ppl that are true nazis (strong belief and support of hitler)in germany/other "western" countries. And to tell you the truth i'm far more scared of Nazis than of people who don't know believe in evolution.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: lyssword
10million as you say? hmm thats less than 3% of population of USA. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more % ppl that are true nazis (strong belief and support of hitler)in germany/other "western" countries. And to tell you the truth i'm far more scared of Nazis than of people who don't know believe in evolution.

Well, same evil.
But nazi's have no real influence in modern politics, in europe or in the us.
 
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: lyssword
10million as you say? hmm thats less than 3% of population of USA. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more % ppl that are true nazis (strong belief and support of hitler)in germany/other "western" countries. And to tell you the truth i'm far more scared of Nazis than of people who don't know believe in evolution.

Well, same evil.

Wow.

You know, I was going to attempt to engage you in some honest and rational discussion, but, now.......................geez, I think I'm just gonna leave you to yourself.
 

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the funniest thing is that he says, "that is not science, folks," in reference to a science-based statement that no human has ever seen a dinosaur. then, right after he says that, he's got the balls to talk about what the bible says.

idiot leading idiots.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: lyssword
10million as you say? hmm thats less than 3% of population of USA. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more % ppl that are true nazis (strong belief and support of hitler)in germany/other "western" countries. And to tell you the truth i'm far more scared of Nazis than of people who don't know believe in evolution.

Well, same evil.

Wow.

You know, I was going to attempt to engage you in some honest and rational discussion, but, now.......................geez, I think I'm just gonna leave you to yourself.

hmm, i just read what i wrote, and i tend to agree with you now.
I don't equate them. Just meant both were "evil", in different ways. My bad.

Well, i was hoping someone would have a conversation with me, i hope we still can :p

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I think i meant same ignorance. One of them is more harmless.
 

Extelleron

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This is the brainwashing of religion....... religion is a good concept but it creates a LOT of problems, one of which the complete ignorance of science and proven fact, rather they would argue believing every single word in the Bible.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Extelleron
This is the brainwashing of religion....... religion is a good concept but it creates a LOT of problems, one of which the complete ignorance of science and proven fact, rather they would argue believing every single word in the Bible.

I don't mind a african tribe living deep in the bush believing in god, that's acceptable, but to live with the knowledge we have today and still believe, is not acceptable.
 
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I just wasted 30 min of my life watching this guy because it's so funny.
 
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reminds me of the sopranos this weekend

Christopher: What's he saying? That there were dinosaurs back with Adam and Eve?

Tony: I guess.

Christopher: No way. T-Rex in the Garden of Eden? Adam and Eve would be running all the time scared sh**less. The bible says it was paradise.
 

Extelleron

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Originally posted by: LordSegan
I just wasted 30 min of my life watching this guy because it's so funny.

Me too. Some of the things he says are so pathetic it's funny.
 

azazyel

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One of my favorite quotes from ATOT regarding this subject was:

"I believe god created the world, I just think he used physics and not magic"
 
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Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: Aharami
google video is blocked at work. anyone care to summarize the video?

Its a 2 hour video, I only watched the first 10 minutes...

Crazy dude talks about Dinosaurs and its relation to the bible. Claims Adam and Eve saw and named the dinos. Then claimed that there was a layer of water ABOVE the planet at one point. Thats pretty much where I stopped watching.

Well, regarding the water above the planet...it mentions it in the bible and if you believe, then you believe it, if you don't, you don't.

Taken from Genesis 1:6-8 (NIV)
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning?the second day.

The reason we don't see that layer of water above the earth is b/c of the Flood during Noah's time.

From Genesis 7:11-12 (NIV)
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month?on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

I believe that bolded part is referring to the water layer above the earth. The flood didn't only come from the water above as it mentions water springing from the deep, but it was indeed part of the flood.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: Aharami
google video is blocked at work. anyone care to summarize the video?

Its a 2 hour video, I only watched the first 10 minutes...

Crazy dude talks about Dinosaurs and its relation to the bible. Claims Adam and Eve saw and named the dinos. Then claimed that there was a layer of water ABOVE the planet at one point. Thats pretty much where I stopped watching.

Well, regarding the water above the planet...it mentions it in the bible and if you believe, then you believe it, if you don't, you don't.

Taken from Genesis 1:6-8 (NIV)
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning?the second day.

The reason we don't see that layer of water above the earth is b/c of the Flood during Noah's time.

From Genesis 7:11-12 (NIV)
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month?on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

I believe that bolded part is referring to the water layer above the earth. The flood didn't only come from the water above as it mentions water springing from the deep, but it was indeed part of the flood.

Doesn't matter if it's in the bible it's still stupid :p
 

shoRunner

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Doesn't matter if it's in the bible it's still stupid :p

so i think everyone knows that you don't like christianity (which of course only exists on the US) so whats the point of this thread?
 

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Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Ryan
I've never met anyone who believed this crap. Nationality has nothing to do with this, blame this on Christians.

He's speaking to a full room, he's making videos, there must be some...

Again - what do that have to do with Americans? I'm sure there are some Christians in your country who believe in the same moronic ideas. I'm not denying that there are probably some people who believe this (probably a small amount - I've never met anyone who has).

the US is unique in it's economic status and high %age of church going christians. Japan and Europe have low %age of christians.

 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
Originally posted by: Malak
Honestly, I don't see why people bother arguing about this. Scientists talk out their ass and won't ever believe anything a religious person says so there's really no reason to bother arguing the subject.

True. I find myself arguing, at different times and for different circumstances, both sides of this issue myself, and I've seen that nobody is willing to change their way of thinking. The logical poeple cling to science reasoning, and the emotional people cling to religious spirituality, but it's not right to say that logic or spirit should shadow eachother. My world view is based on a weird comingling of the two.

It's like people believing in santa claus.
Religion manifests itself like this in the US, but if the US was in the same situation as the Middle East, these would be the suicide bombers.

you can't be serious about the santa claus comment. if you are you're an ignorant fool, like most euros.

Ofcourse i am. Believing that a guy walked on water is the same as believing in Santa.
That's the way all religion is.
What's with the eu hate?

If I tell you that F=ma, do you verify it before believing it? Most don't. Science has this feeling of authoritativeness that people give it (and they shouldn't be doing that).

Religion is the same way. If I tell you you'll be a happier person if you strive to live a good life (avoiding sin as much as possible), I'm strongly asking you not to take my word for it. Give it an honest shot and see for yourself.
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: artikk
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: artikk
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Malak
Honestly, I don't see why people bother arguing about this. Scientists talk out their ass and won't ever believe anything a religious person says so there's really no reason to bother arguing the subject.

But some people actually believe this crap.

Why do you care? You're not them.

I care because this goes against the way of modern science, and they are acting against progress. And, as i said earlier "Religion manifests itself like this in the US, but if the US was in the same situation as the Middle East, these would be the suicide bombers."

So what if it goes against modern science. Do you believe in this theory? No. Do others might believe in it? yes. It's called freedom of expression, and the 1st Amendment. Again, you're trying to make the whole United States to accept what you think is right and restrict what you think is stupid. This is called censorship. Welcome to a dictatorship. You might be a liberal too.
Interesting.
And there NEVER will be Christian suicide bombers so don't even try to bring up a possibility of that.

Every Christian faith that I know about says that suicide, regardless of the purpose, is sinful. Homicide is sinful too (at least when it's outside of a just war).
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: MathMan
Originally posted by: Forsythe

I care because this goes against the way of modern science, and they are acting against progress. And, as i said earlier "Religion manifests itself like this in the US, but if the US was in the same situation as the Middle East, these would be the suicide bombers."

And if your aunt had nuts, you'd have an uncle...

WTF is your point? That Americas has some people with extreme religious beliefs? No way! Really???

I could just as easily say that if your country was in the same situation as the middle east, YOU would be one of those suicide bomb bastards blowing up little children. And my statement would be just as accurate (and completely worthless) as yours.

ahahahaha, wait you were serious?

Extreme people of any type suck, and they are essentially the same, that's what i'm saying. Do you agree with that?

Extremists of any viewpoint are entertaining to me. Uncompromising people are easy to admire.
 

SampSon

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Yea, "how many Americans believe this?", how about how many italians believe that?
Or mabey the other 2 billion christians across the globe.

:roll: to eurotrash haters.