In the eyes of some, even something as obvious as the sky being blue is questionable as fact. It's like the Matrix: Our five senses are our only method of observing the world around us, but there's more to Ultimate Truth than what we can observe.
In the eyes of some, even something as obvious as the sky being blue is questionable as fact. It's like the Matrix: Our five senses are our only method of observing the world around us, but there's more to Ultimate Truth than what we can observe.
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Doesn't matter if it's in the bible it's still stupid
To some people, sure it is considered stupid. That is your opinion and it's perfectly valid.
However, please don't try to mask your narrowminded opinion with emoticons. Your attempt to try and play off your blantant trolling with a smiley icon isn't fooling anyone.
I have a modern interpretation of God that says that God caused the Big Bang and wanted everything to come out the way it did. That does not disagree at all with science.
What makes our world so much better than the world 2000 years ago? We still have ignorant pricks killing eachother over philosophical differences. We still have murders in the streets. We still haven't figured out how to make people act reasonably. How can you deny the existence of a universal "right" and "wrong" in all of this?
Yeah, I saw that too. What he doesn't understand is that the Jews believed in water above the earth long after the flood. It's nothing more than water vapor in the clouds. (They had to explain rain SOMEHOW.) If he'd get his head out of the Bible and start studying the Judeo-Christian human origins of this book that he thinks fell out of the sky, he'd have a better understanding of it. Every book of the Bible was written for a specific audience, by a specific authorship, at a specific time, for a specific situation.
(Note that Genesis was one of the last books written in the Old Testament, yet it describes the stuff that happened first. It was written to teach the Jews a few different lessons about their faith, but it was never intended, from day one, to be a historical account of the origins of the universe.)
Originally posted by: shoRunner
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Doesn't matter if it's in the bible it's still stupid
so i think everyone knows that you don't like christianity (which of course only exists on the US) so whats the point of this thread?
1) To show the guy in the video is a nutcase.
2) For Forsythe to up his post count.
3) For Forsythe to repeatedly prove that, in his own way, he is as ignorant and as intolerant as the guy in the video.
America has people with some pretty whacky view points, that's because we have individual rights and freedom of speech based on the idea that if you take one person's freedom away you endanger the freedom of all of us. Now, for you to say your country is practically free of strange beliefs or ignorance, and to develop such a narrow opinion about American based on your "Mom" and watching videos on the internet... Well, that really shows you need to get out of the house more often.
drinkmorejava
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Listen, I watched Kent Hovind in my Astronomy class. I'm a Christian, and I don't believe most of what he said. He is a fundamentalist who doesn't reflect the views of 90% of Christians. Frankly, I'm tired of Christian bashing because people think it's stupid. As a Christian, I believe that God created everything. Dinosaurs and all. As a student of history, I believe that the Earth is young. The science and the Bible don't clash IMHO, and there are many who also see science and the Bible working hand in hand.
wow, 30 seconds into the video, and right when i saw "Dinosaurs & The Bible" I couldnt help but laugh.
How does being a student of history qualify you to make claims about geology?
I'm a Christian too, but the earth is 4.5 billion years old, or thereabouts.
A literal interpretation of the Bible DOES conflict with science, but who does that? *crickets*
Nope, didn't say that at all. I did, however, infer that literalist translations and fundamentalism are largely incompatible with rational thought. While all literalists and fundamentalists are (in theory) men of god, not all men of god are literalists and fundamentalists.
That the US is far more religious than any other western country is a fact and I can't understand why you people are getting to such idiotic lengths to deny this. I'll just list some things...
-church attendance is far greater than other western countries.
-the number / percentage of fundies is also much higher
-religion plays a HUGE part in yoru politics. A politician saying "god bless canada" is a rare, eyebrow-raising 'wtf?' event. In the US its impossible for anyone to end a speech with out it.
-there are a large number / percentage of bible literalists: there are museums, preachers, churches all dedicated to spreading the idea that the earth is 6000 y.o.
-first people tried to get creationism taught in schools, now they try to get ID taught alongside evolution.
-the stuff you see on prime time TV it europe would probably be off limits in late-night american TV. Anyone forget the whole "wardrobe malfunction" fiasco?
Are you people that ashamed of your country? When this topic comes up, poeple usually defend the US, rather than just deny the obvious.
-church attendance is far greater than other western countries.
-the number / percentage of fundies is also much higher
-religion plays a HUGE part in yoru politics. A politician saying "god bless canada" is a rare, eyebrow-raising 'wtf?' event. In the US its impossible for anyone to end a speech with out it.
-there are a large number / percentage of bible literalists: there are museums, preachers, churches all dedicated to spreading the idea that the earth is 6000 y.o.
-first people tried to get creationism taught in schools, now they try to get ID taught alongside evolution.
-the stuff you see on prime time TV it europe would probably be off limits in late-night american TV. Anyone forget the whole "wardrobe malfunction" fiasco?
Are you people that ashamed of your country? When this topic comes up, poeple usually defend the US, rather than just deny the obvious.
I don't believe half the stuff that guy was preaching but I'm a Christian. Don't stereotype, yo.
Pegun
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First off lets stop with the mass quotes. Secondly, if there aren't people like this in other parts of the world, whos blowing themselves up with bombs so that we don't destroy their religious beliefs? (Hint: we're in a war with those who are doing it!)
The critical people here should debate him and then post the video.
If you can't stand the heat of another view on things, then get out of the kitchen.
Malak
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I don't know what schools you know of, but all the schools I went to lacked in the "teaching" part. The education system is in pieces, has been for a while. Science is just best guess so most of this isn't even worth teaching, let alone arguing. I put this in the genre of topics that should be left to the individual to explore, not to be force fed.
My personal opinion of any religion is agnostic. I believe there may be a god, but if so he is unknowable and uninterperable. Think about it, if someone created the universe by either physics or magic, how the hell could we even hope to comprehend a being (or his word) as such? I remeber in elementry school I'd ask my dad (a college professor) for help on Math HW. He would try, but he simply couldn't descend to my level and explain it in terms I could understand. I believe this is the same situation with God IF (big if) he exists. I pray occasionally (for some reason or other), and I have gotton sparodic results, and weather those results are from the praying or not I cannot be sure.
The fact is that none of us know how our minds work. EX: Why do people get addicted to anything? I'm currently fighting an addiction to the computer. Right now I should be doing AP Physics HW. I know I should, lgically, but even so I am here. Why? I'm not getting a rush out of posting on ATOT by any means. Yet I am here posting. My mind tells my fingers to stop typing, but they keep typing until I metally force them to stop. And then I am filled with an urge to continue typing. (However, this is an improvement from when I would play PC Games for hours on end every day, I've only spent about 2 hours on the comp today).
My point is that none of us know every detail of why we make the decisions we do, why we feel emotions, why we do a lot of things. Until those questions are answered (and I believe it will be answered by Science) we cannot truley confirm if religion is real or not. Until then, I am keeping all doors open. I believe in possibility. I do not worship that possibility.
The fact is that none of us know how our minds work. EX: Why do people get addicted to anything? I'm currently fighting an addiction to the computer. Right now I should be doing AP Physics HW. I know I should, lgically, but even so I am here. Why? I'm not getting a rush out of posting on ATOT by any means. Yet I am here posting. My mind tells my fingers to stop typing, but they keep typing until I metally force them to stop. And then I am filled with an urge to continue typing. (However, this is an improvement from when I would play PC Games for hours on end every day, I've only spent about 2 hours on the comp today).
My point is that none of us know every detail of why we make the decisions we do, why we feel emotions, why we do a lot of things. Until those questions are answered (and I believe it will be answered by Science) we cannot truley confirm if religion is real or not. Until then, I am keeping all doors open. I believe in possibility. I do not worship that possibility.
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