I cannot believe i'm seeing this.

[Crono]

I'm 5 minutes in, and I agree with pretty much everything he has said. Nothing he is saying is in contradiction with all science, but with what scientists (evolutionists in particular) believe the early history of the earth was. I have to say, this guy is funny and entertaining, and even if you aren't a Christian, you can gain some knowledge of what Christians believe, at least as far as the creation is concerned.

Better than watching some guy puke through his nose, or visiting sites selling fake products (which, no doubt, somebody is doing on AT right now ).

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Martin
That the US is far more religious than any other western country is a fact and I can't understand why you people are getting to such idiotic lengths to deny this. I'll just list some things...
-church attendance is far greater than other western countries.
-the number / percentage of fundies is also much higher
-religion plays a HUGE part in yoru politics. A politician saying "god bless canada" is a rare, eyebrow-raising 'wtf?' event. In the US its impossible for anyone to end a speech with out it.
-there are a large number / percentage of bible literalists: there are museums, preachers, churches all dedicated to spreading the idea that the earth is 6000 y.o.
-first people tried to get creationism taught in schools, now they try to get ID taught alongside evolution.
-the stuff you see on prime time TV it europe would probably be off limits in late-night american TV. Anyone forget the whole "wardrobe malfunction" fiasco?

Are you people that ashamed of your country? When this topic comes up, poeple usually defend the US, rather than just deny the obvious.

This was my thought, but now i'm apparently a euro hater and such, which is simply not true imo. But, now i'm confused, are you correct you are they?

You people are a riot. Havn't we learned by now that just because a country is more religous than another, doesn't mean everyone in the country is religous? Personally I think religion is stupid, but that is not the point here. The point is that, as Ryan said, these people are all over the world, not just in the US.

And the point we're trying to make is that there are a whole lot more of them in the US and they have a much greater impact on US society. I would really like to see you argue otherwise.

 

[archcommus]

I like how the guy proves that a lot of what's in the Bible can very well be true and isn't just made up, but otherwise, he seems like a complete dick. He pretty much laughs in the face of all of science (I doubt he even truly understands it, he sounds like a retard when he laughs about how scientists say that man came from rock), and I really dislike his disrespect for the public education system. It's "corrupted," yeah, sure, let's put all our kids in Christian schools so they can never learn ANYTHING about real science.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Crono
I'm 5 minutes in, and I agree with pretty much everything he has said. Nothing he is saying is in contradiction with all science, but with what scientists (evolutionists in particular) believe the early history of the earth was. I have to say, this guy is funny and entertaining, and even if you aren't a Christian, you can gain some knowledge of what Christians believe, at least as far as the creation is concerned.

Better than watching some guy puke through his nose, or visiting sites selling fake products (which, no doubt, somebody is doing on AT right now ).

I thought he was entertaining too, I had professors like him and they always kept me engaged in the material by the way they talked and cracked jokes. I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, but I thought some of the things he brought up were interesting and at least worth a listen. I'd be very interested in seeing what kind of creature exactly is in that Congo swamp.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I like how the guy proves that a lot of what's in the Bible can very well be true and isn't just made up, but otherwise, he seems like a complete dick. He pretty much laughs in the face of all of science (I doubt he even truly understands it, he sounds like a retard when he laughs about how scientists say that man came from rock), and I really dislike his disrespect for the public education system. It's "corrupted," yeah, sure, let's put all our kids in Christian schools so they can never learn ANYTHING about real science.

I went to Catholic school, and when I came to UCF I found that I had a much better background in elementary math and science because of it. Not all Christian schools are full of fundamentalist Protestants preaching that the Bible fell out of the sky.

 

[Randum]

I love the slip he makes, "National Pornographic"
real intelligent guy

 

[OutHouse]

the points the guy was making about dinosaurs (dragons in teh bible) were very intereseting and compelling. if the dinosaurs did die off millions of years ago, then how did so many ancient people AROUND the world who never heard of dinosaurs have very detailed drawings down to their scales of them....

link with examples.

also that part about roman artifacts found in arizona in the early 1900's. That is very interesting as well.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: Citrix
the points the guy was making about dinosaurs (dragons in teh bible) were very intereseting and compelling. if the dinosaurs did die off millions of years ago, then how did so many ancient people AROUND who never heard of dinosaurs have very detailed drawings down to their scales of them....

link with examples.

also that part about roman artifacts found in arizona in the early 1900's. That is very interesting as well.

I agree. I knew about a lot of legends about dragons before, but I didn't know that stories and art about dragons have gone so far back in history and in so many different cultures. Why would dragons (dinosaurs) be so pervasive in so many different cultures if they hadn't existed during the same time as humans? He also makes an intersting point how scientists have been updating the estimated age of the earth every few years, up to 4.6 billion from just 2.5 billion at the beginning of last century. I don't know why people claim that dating is accurate when the estimated age of the earth keeps changing.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If it hasn't been posted in this thread already, I suggest you visit:

http://www.kent-hovind.com/

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Garth
If it hasn't been posted in this thread already, I suggest you visit:

http://www.kent-hovind.com/

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/

the ole' attack the messenger when you dont agree or like the message tactic uh? nice way to debate the subject.

the point is neither side can prove their theories of where we really came from outside of their circle of supporters.

the vid the OP posted was the first time i had heard of this guy. i am not religious by any means but i listened to most of what he was saying and in my post above i pointed out a couple of points he made that i found interesting and made me go Hummmm.

yes i know carbon dating and all that, but why in hell were cavemen drawing pictures of dinosaurs? Or Indians in the southwest painting dinosaurs on rocks when they have never seen one???

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Garth
If it hasn't been posted in this thread already, I suggest you visit:

http://www.kent-hovind.com/

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/

the ole' attack the messenger when you dont agree or like the message tactic uh? nice way to debate the subject.

Not really. There's really nothing substantial in his "message" to attack, since he argues from authority almost all the time. The links merely demonstrate that he doesn't have the authority from which to argue.

the point is neither side can prove their theories of where we really came from outside of their circle of supporters.

It's not about proof. Its about evidence, and for evolution there is plenty whereas for Creationism there is none.

the vid the OP posted was the first time i had heard of this guy. i am not religious by any means but i listened to most of what he was saying and in my post above i pointed out a couple of points he made that i found interesting and made me go Hummmm.

I didn't see that post. EDIT: I must be blind, I found it.

yes i know carbon dating and all that, but why in hell were cavemen drawing pictures of dinosaurs? Or Indians in the southwest painting dinosaurs on rocks when they have never seen one???

I'm curious which drawings you're talking about.

Regardless, do you really think it's impossible for cavemen to have uncovered or discovered dinosaur fossils? It wouldn't take a genius, nor a first-hand witness, to create an visual approximation for the animal that once lived in the found bones.

That's also not to mention that some such examples of ancient dino drawings were proven fraudulent.

 

[DannyBoy]

lol, Americans.

 

[sodcha0s]

Meh, it's a fact that societies like this exist in the us, they don't exist in denmark at least, as i said, there might be 500 someplace in jutland. Now i've seen pictures from churches somewhere in the middle america, my mother visited them.What i am asking is how many there are...
Now why am i biased against the US??

Far, far too many I'm afraid. How so many people can believe in what amounts to a fairy tale is beyond me. Over the ages religious zealots have been proven wrong time and time again, and never once has anything they preach as the gospel been proven as fact..... it's all based on "faith".... bah, religion is the biggest scam on earth.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Americans are the only ones that are this religious, look at many of Bush' voters.
People this rellious simply don't really exist in denmark, there's maybe 500 of them some place secluded.

I saw a Danish porn once. It had a woman having sex with a horse. I must conclude that people from Denmark are into beasitality.

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Yes, but he's actually correct. In a poll done last year Americans were found to be the most religious of any 'western' nation (including people living in and around Vatican City). We also have the highest percentage of fundamentalist christians (again, as per polls which are obviously prone to some error).

America is a pretty scary place to anyone with a brain.

Contrary to the overwhelming opinion of ATOT, religious != extremist. This video is similar to the Baptist garbage they show Sunday mornings on BET, trying to make money off of the uneducated. It's just a small minority who are gullable enough to pay to hear this guy speak.

I'm sure many of you who criticise those people have also been taken advantage of at some point in your life. Not everyone is fortunate enough to learn otherwise.

Also, I'm pretty sure I'd rather live in America than anywhere else - and I think I have a brain.

Wth is your problem?

I'm not critizicing american or americans. But these societies of this extent only live in america.

Yeah, denmark in the 70's was a crazy place

Why the defensive?
God, you're confusing me.

How can you say something like that? How could you possibly know...


:roll:

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Malak
Honestly, I don't see why people bother arguing about this. Scientists talk out their ass and won't ever believe anything a religious person says so there's really no reason to bother arguing the subject.

But some people actually believe this crap.

52% of the U.S. believes this to be true.

At least 90% of the folks in P&N believe this to be true.

They helped get this taught in schools instead of science & history.

Imagine the U.S. 10 years from now with the current generation of kids now being taught this instead of history and science.

You think we need 10 years to see the effects of the fvcked up education system? You are dead wrong.

Oh, and science or lack thereof has nothing to do with it either.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
i agree with u that some americans are pretty dumb, but there are plenty of smart ones too. it's not the americans too blame, but christianity. it causes this nonsense. but i agree with u about the bush comment. i simply cannot bleieve that americans vote for someone that doesn't believe in science.

God-mother-fvcking-damnit. Stupid people are EVERYWHERE.

 

[tooltime]

i'm lost

 

[thebigdude]

so long story short satan's evil plan to make man doubt the bible was to say dinoaurs lived a long time ago.

what a retard

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: Randum
I love the slip he makes, "National Pornographic"
real intelligent guy

If you were smarter you'd pick up on the joke. He did stuff like that on purpose. He was obviously referring to the photos of indigenous cultures that show more than he'd like his followers to see.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: Citrix
the points the guy was making about dinosaurs (dragons in teh bible) were very intereseting and compelling. if the dinosaurs did die off millions of years ago, then how did so many ancient people AROUND who never heard of dinosaurs have very detailed drawings down to their scales of them....

link with examples.

also that part about roman artifacts found in arizona in the early 1900's. That is very interesting as well.

I agree. I knew about a lot of legends about dragons before, but I didn't know that stories and art about dragons have gone so far back in history and in so many different cultures. Why would dragons (dinosaurs) be so pervasive in so many different cultures if they hadn't existed during the same time as humans? He also makes an intersting point how scientists have been updating the estimated age of the earth every few years, up to 4.6 billion from just 2.5 billion at the beginning of last century. I don't know why people claim that dating is accurate when the estimated age of the earth keeps changing.

The dating hasn't changed in orders of magnitude, even when you consider the extravagantly long estimates based on ocean salinity.

Dragons are cool. I played a lot of Dungeons and Dragons, and it's weird looking through the player's manual and other books and seeing all the various types of dragons. I didn't know that so many cultures had dragons. (DND has dragons that look Oriental and dragons that are obviously Occidental in nature, but I didn't know that wasn't by their own creativity.)

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: Garth
Regardless, do you really think it's impossible for cavemen to have uncovered or discovered dinosaur fossils? It wouldn't take a genius, nor a first-hand witness, to create an visual approximation for the animal that once lived in the found bones.

That's also not to mention that some such examples of ancient dino drawings were proven fraudulent.

You're living in the 21st century where people are actually paid by nonprofit grants to go out and dig stuff up for a living. We live in a society not dominated by gathering food.

Cavemen lived even before the time of agriculture, and they had ZERO time to do anything but get food most of the time. (The little free time they had was probably spent making hunting arrows while sitting around a fire telling hunting stories or stories of what they found while they were out gathering, and of course they had to eventually make more little cavemen.) Any sort of dinosaurs lying around would have most likely either been underground or exposed to the elements long enough to disappear, and these guys definitely didn't know or care about them unless they were a threat to their camp.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: thebigdude
so long story short satan's evil plan to make man doubt the bible was to say dinoaurs lived a long time ago.

what a retard

LMAO

 

[OutHouse]

Garth
Senior Member

I'm curious which drawings you're talking about.

Regardless, do you really think it's impossible for cavemen to have uncovered or discovered dinosaur fossils? It wouldn't take a genius, nor a first-hand witness, to create an visual approximation for the animal that once lived in the found bones.

That's also not to mention that some such examples of ancient dino drawings were proven fraudulent.

I think its highly unlikely that cavemen would have a clue that a toe bone from a t-rex was a toe bone from a t-rex and would be able to draw a pretty damn good picture of one. THe first time dino bones were seriously looked at by science was in the early 1800's even then they really didnt have a clue on what they were and the drawing they made from the bones were not even close.

want pictures of the ancient dino drawings? go a few post up and see the one i posted.

 

[kevinthenerd]

One thing that's rarely mentioned is that the only dinosaur bones we have are the ones that happened to have been preserved through geological means. The climate during the period of human civilization was quite different from the climate around the mesozoic era. Any humans that killed a dinosaur/dragon (assuming it happened... I don't know) wouldn't have allowed the corpse to sit long enough to get covered in dirt.

Edit: I know I wouldn't. If I was a starving cave man, I'd have that thing eaten up by my camp and the surround camps in no time, and whoever provides that kind of food to the community against those kinds of odds (remember... no guns here) is definitely worthy of "hero" status.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Citrix

I think its highly unlikely that cavemen would have a clue that a toe bone from a t-rex was a toe bone from a t-rex and would be able to draw a pretty damn good picture of one.

Strawman. Who said all they had to go on was a toe bone? Fossils are often found preserved in "assembled" form. Furthermore, it is hardly more reasonable to believe that all of geology, paleontology, biology, physics, and archaeology is completely wrong than it is to believe that ancient man was capable of discovering fossils and constructing images of them. Why don't we ever find human remains in the same strata as dinos? Why do the dates match up so precisely over, and over, and over again?

For that matter, who is to say that ancient man did not dream of dinosaurs and construct the images from his dreams? That an individual doodles an image of something else does not mean that he existed contemporarily with the subject of his art. That is the bottom line.

THe first time dino bones were seriously looked at by science was in the early 1800's

We're not talking about bones being "seriously looked at by science" so that is another strawman. (Me? Surprised? Nope!) We're talking about the simple inspriation of caveman drawings. There could be any number of methods for ancient man to form images in his mind of what dinosaurs looked like, and none of then need to include man's contemporaneous existence with them.

Of course, indiviudals like yourself are often to lazy to conceive those reasons, and instead would rather toss out decades of confirmed research and evidence in order to sate their incredulity at the simple proposition of ancient men coming to know of the approximate appearance of dinosaurs any other way than by directly observing them in the flesh.

Oh well, as the saying goes: you can lead a creationist to reason, but you can't make him think...

-Garth