How the PlayStation 4 is better than a PC

[Fx1]

I already sit on the couch gaming on 50" Samsung LED 3DTV and can play online with friends whatever, and using an xbox 360 wireless controller (which is better than the PS3 controller). Except I have a powerful PC gaming setup encased in a thermaltake lanbox lite which sits next to the TV just like a regular console. Also have a nice 7.1 home theater surround system to go with it.

So tell me again how a PS4 would be better than PC gaming?

For a start you wont be playing Metal Gear Solid or any other PS4 exclusive titles such as Gran Turismo or Killzone.

Also playing with friends on a PC sucks. BF3 for example doesnt even have voice chat on PC what a joke that is. If i want to play with randoms im stuck with a random TS3 server or sit there typing out messages.

PC and PS4 has its uses and i laugh at people who try and use just one.

 

[-Slacker-]

It's not important, actually.



Yup



You can be as satisfied or dissatisfied as you like. It really makes no difference to me.



I'm going to disagree with you on this. The HD6670 is more than twice as fast as a 7900GTX in games utilizing Unreal Engine 3. Even a 9500GT DDR3 is faster than a 7900GTX in Unreal Engine 3 based games.

I don't mean to be confrontational, but you are taking the piss. Also, when people bold words or phrases it's usually because they want to direct your attention to a key word, or phrase - like the part where I bolded dd3 to point out that the 6670 was the low-bandwidth model.

 

[galego]

Nope, built it two years ago and still has the same sandy bridge i5/memory/hd I put in there. Only upgrade was a GTX 570 to a GTX 670, though I didn't really have to. Played every single game fine at TRUE 1080p @ 4x AA /16x AF above 30fps. Well worth the less than $1000 initial investment that trounces the PS3/Xbox 360 in every single possible way for YEARS.

Good to know that you are able to trounce ancients consoles with a PC that is 10 or 15x more powerful than them. The bad news are that your gaming PC is outdated for next gen games. Even if you were to update to an 17 with 16GB RAM and a GTX-680 (2 GB) you could not run Epic elemental demo at 30 fps on 1080p...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Good to know that you are able to trounce ancients consoles with a PC that is 10 or 15x more powerful than them. The bad news are that your gaming PC is outdated for next gen games. Even if you were to update to an 17 with 16GB RAM and a GTX-680 (2 GB) you could not run Epic elemental demo at 30 fps on 1080p...

Which version, the PC version which ran it at 30 fps on a 680, or the cut down, trashed out console version which sucked?

btw your logic is just getting worse the more you troll, the elemental demo clearly has settings since they turned everything down or off for the console version.

 

[HeXen]

You obviously don't have this living room PC setup as countless others do. Powering up the PC with a simple push of a button and navigating with a bluetooth wireless mouse is about a easy as using the controller itself. And I don't use big screen for Steam, it's too intrusive. The bluetooth wireless keyboard is hardly used, its there for when its needed. All my games, watching movies, etc.. are all just a simple click away. Installing new games doesn't even require a keyboard, just browse download and install. Like I said, you obviously don't have this setup like countless others do.

As far as abuse, I doubt a kid would be able to lift and toss a small form factor thermaltake lanbox lite just like that. Seems like a strawman argument to me.

Lol, you shouldn't make assumptions. I have a PC, Ps3, Atari Flashback and Wii, all connected to the same 3D HDTV.

Power up with a mouse? Oh yeah, cause everyone wants to use sleep mode and have a wireless mouse handy for use on the couch right? You also have no clue what I meant by abuse, but it wasn't referring to picking up and tossing the PC.

So why did you seriously want to be contradictive just to argue your preference? I don't care what YOU like, but what I posted previously is no lie, I didn't make up stories, it's very true that for the mass consumers out there, PC's are never gonna take over as the main gaming platform for consumer living rooms, if so, it would have happened long ago. You can wish all you want.

 

[TestKing123]

[QUI gavTE=Fx1;35031745]For a start you wont be playing Metal Gear Solid or any other PS4 exclusive titles such as Gran Turismo or Killzone.

Also playing with friends on a PC sucks. BF3 for example doesnt even have voice chat on PC what a joke that is. If i want to play with randoms im stuck with a random TS3 server or sit there typing out messages.

PC and PS4 has its uses and i laugh at people who try and use just one.[/QUOTE]

If i gave a rats ass about those series i would have a ps3, just like i bought an xbox 360 years ago just to play alan wake and gears of war. If you want to bring up exclusives then for starters you wont be enjoying metro last light, secret world, mechwarrior online for ps4. And for cross platform titles the PC will always be superior to the ps4 when it comes to user content, as games like sky rim clearly shows.

 

[galego]

Which version, the PC version which ran it at 30 fps on a 680, or the cut down, trashed out console version which sucked?

The PC version evidently. You can continue attacking the PS4, as you have been doing for days, but there is not "cut down trashed out console" version, there was one version developed in an early dev. kit. with memory, chip, and software and schedule constraints...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Just keep making excuses as to why the console version was nothing like the PC version and then using it at the same time to defame PC hardware.

There was the technologically advanced PC version, with proper DOF, Motion Blur, Tessellation, Global Illumination, and more, and then there was the PS4 version which had none of that.

 

[HeXen]

That is why you have both, durrrr. Don't be a cheapass gamer, if your gonna build a pricey rig, you can also afford at least 1 console too. I got the PS3 mainly for cheap rentals, but overall for many MP and racing titles, I tend to have more fun playing them on the PS3. My PC I use for FPS and games where mods are common.
Speaking of Mods, most PC games don't have much really and most SP games that include MP are dead within a month.
All the systems have their advantages, I really don't see the big deal and why some get so irate pissy about their PC preference and stubbornness to buy a console too. If you don't like them, then the discussion ends there, no need to bash them.

 

[-Slacker-]

Sorry, but your first comment is useless. Yes w8 is a bit less bloated than w7 but still is a very bloated OS. E.g. w8 memory requirements are about 4-8x the memory requirements for the PS4 OS. A chip using PS4 OS is faster than the same chip using W7/8.

What does it mater what the memory requirements for an OS are? As long as the software load on your machine does not surpass it's memory buffer, it shouldn't make a difference.

Some of the most demanding pc games today require very little system ram, like crysis 3 needing only about 1 gb, or metro last light at 500mb (according to gamegpu.ru)

Early PS4 dev. kit already uses a FX 8-core chip. And this kit was not so powerful like the final PS4 hardware. What you say about steamroller is, sorry again, useless. Nobody believes that Sony and AMD will be releasing a console with a given chip and in the next six months AMD will be releasing a new FX chip for gaming PCs with the aim of outperforming the console...

I ... don't know where you got that info from ... and I don't really understand why you think a 3.5-4 ghz vishera is not as powerful as the ps4's jaguar chip.

Come to think of it, I don't get why you think you know what everyone believes AMD's market strategy in the next 6 months is, especially since AMD hasn't given us anything definitive to work with (except the powerpoint slides showing there will be a steamroller in 2013).

Look, it's nice and all that you want in on the conversation, and I can certainly agree that debating and talking about new tech is fun and interesting - I get that, I really do. Just ... try to put some effort into your posts nest time, and that goes for some other people, too (you know who you are).

 

[futurefields]

How many watts is PS4 gpu?

If its a mobile chip, come to think it probably wont be as fast as a desktop 7850.

 

[-Slacker-]

According to the leaked specs, it's abou smack in the middle between the 7850 and the 7870...

 

[futurefields]

That wont leave much watts for cpu and rest of system if a full 7850 let alone 7870 desktop part is used.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It's believed to be GCN 1.1, so 7790, should receive a decent perf/w increase.

 

[Lavans]

I don't mean to be confrontational, but you are taking the piss. Also, when people bold words or phrases it's usually because they want to direct your attention to a key word, or phrase - like the part where I bolded dd3 to point out that the 6670 was the low-bandwidth model.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I did read your post, and to be frank, I'm neither convinced or impressed with the knowledge and comprehension you've displayed thus far in this conversation. There is at least a good hand full of flawed and incorrect statements with your post.

 

[2is]

What does it mater what the memory requirements for an OS are? As long as the software load on your machine does not surpass it's memory buffer, it shouldn't make a difference.

Some of the most demanding pc games today require very little system ram, like crysis 3 needing only about 1 gb, or metro last light at 500mb (according to gamegpu.ru)




I ... don't know where you got that info from ... and I don't really understand why you think a 3.5-4 ghz vishera is not as powerful as the ps4's jaguar chip.

Come to think of it, I don't get why you think you know what everyone believes AMD's market strategy in the next 6 months is, especially since AMD hasn't given us anything definitive to work with (except the powerpoint slides showing there will be a steamroller in 2013).

Look, it's nice and all that you want in on the conversation, and I can certainly agree that debating and talking about new tech is fun and interesting - I get that, I really do. Just ... try to put some effort into your posts nest time, and that goes for some other people, too (you know who you are).

I honestly don't think he knows what memory is. Based on the number of times and the way he refers to memory usage, it seems he thinks it works similar to clock speeds

 

[Rakehellion]

Some of the most demanding pc games today require very little system ram, like crysis 3 needing only about 1 gb, or metro last light at 500mb (according to gamegpu.ru)

That's because they're gimped by current consoles. They can't make a version Crysis 3 that uses 4GB of memory and then somehow squash that down to work on the PS3's 256MB.

 

[-Slacker-]

That wont leave much watts for cpu and rest of system if a full 7850 let alone 7870 desktop part is used.

Unless sony plans to reduce the console's tdp when compared to the PS3's, I believe they'll have enough room for the components they have in mind (the PS3 had a tdp of over 200w, while a hd 7850 tops out at 130w, although it's average power consumption should be close to just 100w).

That's because they're gimped by current consoles. They can't make a version Crysis 3 that uses 4GB of memory and then somehow squash that down to work on the PS3's 256MB.

If they made c3 use up 4 gb, that still wouldn't get anywhere near to maxing out an 8 gb memory buffer. 1 gb goes to the os, which leaves 3 bg free.

 

[Rakehellion]

For a start you wont be playing Metal Gear Solid or any other PS4 exclusive titles such as Gran Turismo or Killzone.

Funny, the next Metal Gear Solid and Gran Turismo are planned for the PS3, not PS4. Metal Gear isn't really a Playstation exclusive either.

 

[Erenhardt]

16-20 fps seems like less than 30 to me.

How many second of the video have you watched? 5? If you pay more attention to what is on the screen and not only on fps graphs then you may have realized that cut-scenes where running at 20fps (god knows why) and the actual gameplay was stable 30fps (limited obviously) with very few 'drops' to 26-28 fps.
You have to read my post again and think about it for a second. If there is no fps limitation average fps is about 2x min fps:

If we assume that xbox run this game with min fps around 24, fps without a cap would be fluctuating up to 50 in less demanding areas, averaging above 30fps.
That looks worst than console:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCmpaRUpQYo

 

[BallaTheFeared]

How many second of the video have you watched? 5? If you pay more attention to what is on the screen and not only on fps graphs then you may have realized that cut-scenes where running at 20fps (god knows why) and the actual gameplay was stable 30fps (limited obviously) with very few 'drops' to 26-28 fps.
You have to read my post again and think about it for a second. If there is no fps limitation average fps is about 2x min fps:

If we assume that xbox run this game with min fps around 24, fps without a cap would be fluctuating up to 50 in less demanding areas, averaging above 30fps.
That looks worst than console:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCmpaRUpQYo

What are you talking about? Actual gameplay was probably 25 to 26 fps on avg with drops to 24.

The only area it has enough umph to hit 30 with drops to 28 consistently is in a small cave.


You're delusional if you don't think they optimized the heck out of these titles to run as close to 30 fps consistent with no headroom past it. They're using every ounce of power they can, failing to deliver 30 fps most of the time and now you're trying to say there is another 20-30 fps left in the tank, bwhahaha, please.

 

[TestKing123]

Lol, you shouldn't make assumptions. I have a PC, Ps3, Atari Flashback and Wii, all connected to the same 3D HDTV.

Power up with a mouse? Oh yeah, cause everyone wants to use sleep mode and have a wireless mouse handy for use on the couch right? You also have no clue what I meant by abuse, but it wasn't referring to picking up and tossing the PC.

So why did you seriously want to be contradictive just to argue your preference? I don't care what YOU like, but what I posted previously is no lie, I didn't make up stories, it's very true that for the mass consumers out there, PC's are never gonna take over as the main gaming platform for consumer living rooms, if so, it would have happened long ago. You can wish all you want.

What 3DTV do you have and what software do you use for it for PC gaming? That alone will tell me if you're a serious PC gamer from your couch or if you think just plugging in a laptop qualifies as that: lol:

And ANYONE who PC games from a couch will want a wireless mouse handy for the couch, wouldn't they? You speak as if that very fact is somehow a drawback, you either must be using a corded mouse for your laptop otherwise such a notion would be obviously absurd. Same for the PC wakeup. Boots up instantly to the desktop ready to do whatever. Then again, maybe you have some unreliable crap no wonder the idea of a hibernating computer gives you the shudders.

And what exactly does "abuse" have to do with your argument? If you think flipping through PS3 discs that scratch over time is less abusive than simply running ALL PC games from the hard drive, then

And everything I posted was no lie either. Everything I said was valid. And no one is arguing that a PC is going to replace consoles in the living room (other than yourself for some odd reason), the point was that someone posted gaming in the living room on a couch was an advantage for the PS4 when clearly PC gaming accomplishes the very same thing. Or have you never heard of the notion of an gaming HTPC before?

 

[galego]

There was the technologically advanced PC version, with proper DOF, Motion Blur, Tessellation, Global Illumination, and more, and then there was the PS4 version which had none of that.

Plain wrong. The 'PS4' version was not running on the PS4 but in an early dev. kit. This version has same DOF, same motion blur, same AA resolution, same meshes, same textures, same everything except SVOGI removed and a slight scale down in the number of particles for some FX. Tessellation was included but broken due to a bug in the build shown.

The PC version did run on 2GB VRAM and final mature API, the 'PS4' version did run in a kit limited to only 1.5GB and non-final APIs. They received the kit a pair of weeks before the show and could not optimize anything or even fix the bugs.

 

[Enigmoid]

Plain wrong. The 'PS4' version was not running on the PS4 but in an early dev. kit. This version has same DOF, same motion blur, same AA resolution, same meshes, same textures, same everything except SVOGI removed and a slight scale down in the number of particles for some FX. Tessellation was included but broken due to a bug in the build shown.

The PC version did run on 2GB VRAM and final mature API, the 'PS4' version did run in a kit limited to only 1.5GB and non-final APIs. They received the kit a pair of weeks before the show and could not optimize anything or even fix the bugs.

So they basically ran the demo on a pc with similar specs to the ps4?

 

[TestKing123]

Good to know that you are able to trounce ancients consoles with a PC that is 10 or 15x more powerful than them. The bad news are that your gaming PC is outdated for next gen games. Even if you were to update to an 17 with 16GB RAM and a GTX-680 (2 GB) you could not run Epic elemental demo at 30 fps on 1080p...

Neither could a PS4 with all the details of the PC version :lol:. Of course, you were educated on that many times over, icecold.

And why do you keep ignoring this link?
http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/thief/news/thief_on_ps4_will_look_almost_identical_to_pc_version.html