Has obama failed as a leader

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irishScott

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Your truth. You see yourself in me but not that fact. You practice self deceit because what youse I me you will not see in yourself. You are the me you claim I am. Try as you may, you can't fool somebody who has seen the horrible truth within. The price I paid foreknowledge was everything I had. I am a nothing and that is something you are unwilling to understand. I defeated the nothing by surrendering. Compared to the nothing, well really, you're not much.

Yes, and according to Charles Manson he isn't actually in prison because he's literally manipulating the universe with his mind. Why should I seek to fool you? You're so busy doing it yourself.

You're not a nothing. If that were the case you wouldn't be talking about victory. You certainly wouldn't be arguing with me or harvesting validation on internet forums.

And yes I do see myself in you to a degree, myself if I'd allowed myself to completely collapse under the stress of my former circumstances. But even in that state of chaotic oblivion I know I would be attempting to rebuild.

Regardless, the truth isn't mine to give, it's simply there for me to point out. You can refuse to accept it if you wish for any reason that you wish, but that does not change, damage, or remove it. At the end of the day the truth is what everything operates on, and it will continue with or without you, it will affect you with or without your acceptance.
 

exdeath

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There is no such thing as compromise on many issues.

If I threaten you and say give me $100 and you don't want to, ok let's compromise, Ill settle for $50 and I won't kill you. Come on , I'm trying to reach across the isle here but you refuse to work with me. We have to get something done!

If I have no right to make that demand in the first place, how can we come to an agreement and compromise?

Compromising on bullshit that shouldn't even be. That's American politics in a nutshell.
 
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bshole

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Yes, and according to Charles Manson he isn't actually in prison because he's literally manipulating the universe with his mind.

Bizarrely every thought you ever had were at the atomic level no more than electrons passing between atoms. Your thoughts are literally ELECTRICITY!
 

Exophase

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Iran loves Obama. Libya would as well... if there were any semblance of a country left. I know for a fact that the German Chancellor holds Obama in high regard. Drone attacks that destroy wedding parties are also making obama stand out in the foreign policy community. The Taliban also hold Obama in high regards... as their captured fighters are set free in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda now holds territory in the middle east than ever.... they think very highly of obama.

Nope, what I said was not strange at all. I know you have a deep desire to believe otherwise as your fictional prose suggests, but really.. open your eyes.

Wait, so you consider Germany as in some way comparable to those other groups and countries?
 

Agent11

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Obama could offer chaining women to the kitchen, a return of slavery, titles of hereditary nobility to the wealthy, and a repeal of all environmental laws, and the Republicans in congress would say, "Not unless we get a raise with that, too."

That's a pretty partisan viewpoint not really based on reality what so ever.
 

Angry Irishman

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Leadership? Not by most folks definition. No accountability, no experience, certainly no effective leadership. That's been demonstrated time and time again. That man couldn't manage a franchised Taco Bell.
 
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Over the past few days there have been some news articles talking about how obama is set to use executive orders to bypass congress.

That's called...Leadership. He's taking action and circumventing obstacles.

Why do we even have a congress if the president refuses to work together?

To pass legislation. Obama's use of executive power does not allow him to pass federal statutes.

Part of being a team leader is to bring everyone together, and work through our differences to find common ground. With obama it seems there is no common ground. Either do as he says or he will start signing executive orders.

The problem is that half of the team is composed of Tea Party Tards. There's only so much he can do.
 
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That's called...Leadership. He's taking action and circumventing obstacles.



To pass legislation. Obama's use of executive power does not allow him to pass federal statutes.



The problem is that half of the team is composed of Tea Party Tards. There's only so much he can do.

Sounds like someone got teabagged. The only retard is you for attacking the Tea Party and Constitution.
 

rudder

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Wait, so you consider Germany as in some way comparable to those other groups and countries?

Geez, another slow one. No I am not comparing Germany to the Taliban... Simply pointing out the wide sprectrum of obama's leadership failures.
 

Texashiker

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That's called...Leadership. He's taking action and circumventing obstacles.

Getting people to work together is leadership.

Finding common ground with a diverse group is leadership.

Convincing people to put aside their differences and work together is leadership.

Telling people to do this or else is not leadership.
 

boomerang

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Getting people to work together is leadership.

Finding common ground with a diverse group is leadership.

Convincing people to put aside their differences and work together is leadership.

Telling people to do this or else is not leadership.
We all know that if a Republican president was conducting himself this way with a Democrat controlled House he'd be singing a different tune.
 

Texashiker

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We all know that if a Republican president was conducting himself this way with a Democrat controlled House he'd be singing a different tune.

If the rolls were reversed, a democrat controlled congress would have impeached a republican president by now.
 

bshole

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If the rolls were reversed, a democrat controlled congress would have impeached a republican president by now.

Roles not rolls!

Given that Bush didn't get impeached/imprisoned tells me that a Democrat controlled congress would never impeach anybody for anything. How Bush evaded responsibility for his criminally treasonous behaviour still baffles me.

We already know that a Republican controlled congress would impeach anybody for ANYTHING.
 

Matt1970

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That's called...Leadership. He's taking action and circumventing obstacles.



To pass legislation. Obama's use of executive power does not allow him to pass federal statutes.



The problem is that half of the team is composed of Tea Party Tards. There's only so much he can do.

Just in case you missed the memo, there are 535 people representing the American people, not just one guy.
 

boomerang

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Just in case you missed the memo, there are 535 people representing the American people, not just one guy.
He's just letting us know that the ends justify the means. Unfortunately, there are no ends. Obama stood before the nation last night and declared his entire presidency to be a failure. But he did say he was going to make it all good. Like he has so many times before.
 

Exophase

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Geez, another slow one. No I am not comparing Germany to the Taliban... Simply pointing out the wide sprectrum of obama's leadership failures.

Alright, so how is "I know for a fact that the German Chancellor holds Obama in high regard" a leadership failure, oh fast one?
 

bshole

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Unfortunately, there are no ends. Obama stood before the nation last night and declared his entire presidency to be a failure.

This is one of the few times I have to disagree with Obama. His presidency has been a resounding success. I have listed his many important accomplishments in other threads so I won't reiterate them here. Keep on keeping on Barack!
 

trenchfoot

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And so it is that again I must pull some hair out of my head and eyebrows to read that some folks blame Obama for not being an effective leader when at the very same moment they cheer on and frantically demand that their elected Representatives and Senators attempt to block every single thing that Obama and the Dems try to get accomplished.

No small wonder that I find participating in this forum much more fun than watching old re-runs of Gilligan's Island, F Troop, McHale's Navy, The Three Stooges and Green Acres. *que in the Loony Toons theme song* and Buh-deep buh-deep buh-deep that's all folks. :p