Has obama failed as a leader

[Thebobo]

Location: Vancouver, Canada

You have no dog in this fight.

Well he was referring to the war on a Iraq Bush dragged Canada into it as well.

 

[ivwshane]

How many times did Bush threaten to bypass congress?

This is not "just" about EOs, this is about a failed leader who is grasping at straws.

obama thinks he has the authority to bypass congress with EOs, which is going to come back and bite him in the ass.

No president should be acting this way. Whats next, is he going to throw himself on the floor and have a tantrum?

Wait, wait! You want us to ignore the EO's bush signed based on the circumstances bush faced but you ignore the circumstances under which Obama has used EO's?

You are one dumb mother fucker or it looks like all those chemicals you've inhaled your whole adult life from your job are finally starting to take their affect on you. I suspect you don't have much time left and you create threads to distract you from your reality. Which would be fine but then you should let people know so that they don't take you too seriously and you end up with a legacy of being one dumb ass mother f-er

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Well he was referring to the war on a Iraq Bush dragged Canada into it as well.

Afghanistan was where Canadian troops were deployed. We wanted no part of Iraq.

 

[Texashiker]

Wait, wait! You want us to ignore the EO's bush signed based on the circumstances bush faced but you ignore the circumstances under which Obama has used EO's?

You have not answered a single question.

Did Bush threaten to bypass congress if he did not get what he wanted?

You are one dumb mother fucker or it looks like all those chemicals you've inhaled your whole adult life from your job are finally starting to take their affect on you. I suspect you don't have much time left and you create threads to distract you from your reality. Which would be fine but then you should let people know so that they don't take you too seriously and you end up with a legacy of being one dumb ass mother f-er

Do you have anything to contribute besides insults?

Well he was referring to the war on a Iraq Bush dragged Canada into it as well.

Last I heard canada was a sovereign nation who could make its own decisions.

 

[ivwshane]

You have not answered a single question.

Did Bush threaten to bypass congress if he did not get what he wanted?





Do you have anything to contribute besides insults?

I did and you ignored them twice

Don't get mad at the people that point out your stupidity.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Nobody seemed to be objecting at the time.

Its only in retrospect that people seem to have a problem.

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_Iraq_War#Opposition_in_the_United_States

quote:

"Brent Scowcroft, who served as National Security Adviser to President George H.W. Bush was an early critic. He wrote an August 15, 2002 editorial in The Wall Street Journal entitled "Don't attack Saddam," arguing that the war would distract from the broader fight against terrorism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which should be the U.S.'s highest priority in the Middle East.[12] The next month, Gen. Hugh Shelton, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, agreed that war in Iraq would distract from the War on Terrorism"

"Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former head of Central Command for U.S. forces in the Middle East and State Department's envoy to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, echoed many of Scowcroft's concerns in an October 2002 speech at the Middle East Institute. In a follow-up interview with Salon, Zinni said he was "not convinced we need to do this now," arguing that deposing Saddam Hussein was only the sixth or seventh top priority in the Middle East, behind the Middle East peace process, reforming Iran, our commitments in Afghanistan, and several others"

"On June 16, 2004 twenty seven former senior U.S. diplomats and military commanders called Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change issued a statement against the war.[22] The group included:

• William J. Crowe, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Ronald Reagan
• Joseph Hoar, former Commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East
• H. Allen Holmes, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations
• Donald McHenry, former Ambassador to the United Nations
• Merrill McPeak, former Air Force Chief of Staff
• Jack F. Matlock, Jr., a member of the National Security Council under Reagan and former Ambassador to the Soviet Union
• John Reinhardt, former Director of the United States Information Agency
• Ronald I. Spiers, Under Secretary General of the United Nations for Political Affairs and a former Ambassador
• Stansfield Turner, former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency"

 

[Victorian Gray]

It only took 7 post for someone to mention President Bush.

This thread is about obama. But for some reason people keep bringing up Bush.

And Rand Paul is yakking about Bill Clinton's blow jobs.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Location: Vancouver, Canada

You have no dog in this fight.

My location has what to do with discussing American politics in a forum that is open to people from around the world?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Well he was referring to the war on a Iraq Bush dragged Canada into it as well.

Actually, no we weren't really involved in Iraq until the reconstruction. We were heavily involved in Afghanistan though.

But yeah, that was what I was referring to.

 

[Texashiker]

Wrong.

I did not mean literally "nobody", it was a figure of speech.

And as I said before you have no dog in this fight.

 

[alzan]

I did not mean literally "nobody", it was a figure of speech.

And as I said before you have no dog in this fight.

Fortunately for us you are not the ultimate arbiter of who may express an opinion on a given subject.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I'm just glad we aren't in another war (Syria, Iran and whatever other place people have been salivating to get into,..).

Politics wise, the dude made some blunders (healthcare is still a mess and worse frankly). Not the greatest president/leader, but certainly not the worst.

 

[Hugo Drax]

I would say yes. He should have been much more tougher and more hands on. His biggest mistake was trying to be the nice guy, trying to reach out to Republicans.

Obama should have ruled with more of an Iron fist and taken a hard line against the Republican party from day one. My way or the highway attitude, and pushed the Democrats hard to get things going.

 

[rudeguy]

I'm just glad we aren't in another war (Syria, Iran and whatever other place people have been salivating to get into,..).

Politics wise, the dude made some blunders (healthcare is still a mess and worse frankly). Not the greatest president/leader, but certainly not the worst.

Would you call bombing a country an act of war?

 

[Thebobo]

Would you call bombing a country an act of war?

Why yes it sure as hell aint a booty call!

 

[Vic]

No. The OP is just parroting a talking point that covers up for Congress' failures.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Would you call bombing a country an act of war?

It may be, and usually is. That said the only wars we have engaged in this century were started by Bush, and the second entirely shameful, one of the low points in American military action. We killed or caused to be killed a hundred thousand innocent people without just cause. It was murder.

 

[glenn1]

I would say yes. He should have been much more tougher and more hands on. His biggest mistake was trying to be the nice guy, trying to reach out to Republicans.

Obama should have ruled with more of an Iron fist and taken a hard line against the Republican party from day one. My way or the highway attitude, and pushed the Democrats hard to get things going.

Sounds like how we wound up with Obamacare as written and without all its huge amount of flaws being addressed during bipartisan compromise.

 

[rudder]

This is a strange idea. Obama has had one of the most successful foreign policy tenures of any recent president; the only more successful one I can think of is GHWB. It's especially strange when you look at how much more successful he has been than the supposed foreign policy 'experts' from the previous administration.

There's a reason why the foreign policy community thinks so highly of him.

Iran loves Obama. Libya would as well... if there were any semblance of a country left. I know for a fact that the German Chancellor holds Obama in high regard. Drone attacks that destroy wedding parties are also making obama stand out in the foreign policy community. The Taliban also hold Obama in high regards... as their captured fighters are set free in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda now holds territory in the middle east than ever.... they think very highly of obama.

Nope, what I said was not strange at all. I know you have a deep desire to believe otherwise as your fictional prose suggests, but really.. open your eyes.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Sounds like how we wound up with Obamacare as written and without all its huge amount of flaws being addressed during bipartisan compromise.

Obamacare is a classic case of Obamas lack of leadership. It is a big mess. He had a one time shot to really step up and get a single payer system in place.

But he was too soft and too hands off and spent too much time kissing ass to the republicans. He showed weakness, the republicans smelled blood and of course the Democrats saw a weak leader which resulted in them not working as a unified team.


We needed a strong leader with conviction, instead we got carter 2.0

 

[Victorian Gray]

I did not mean literally "nobody", it was a figure of speech.

Even as a "figure of speech" it's still wrong in the context that you used it.

And as I said before you have no dog in this fight.

And again, my location has what to do with discussing American politics in a forum that is open to people from around the world?

 

[Hugo Drax]

Even as a "figure of speech" it's still wrong in the context that you used it.




And again, my location has what to do with discussing American politics in a forum that is open to people from around the world?

Sorry but you have no dog in this fight.

 

[cubby1223]

And as I said before you have no dog in this fight.

And again, my location has what to do with discussing American politics in a forum that is open to people from around the world?

What Texashiker said is far more likely true than not.

(1) do you have a pet dog?
if yes, (2) did your pet dog perform as a service dog in the middle east during the fighting?

I didn't think so.

 

[UberNeuman]

What Texashiker said is far more likely true than not.

(1) do you have a pet dog?
if yes, (2) did your pet dog perform as a service dog in the middle east during the fighting?

I didn't think so.

Ah, but Texashiker has been big on tolerating other points of view, i.e. - the Duck Dynasty thread....

\so shut up unless we agree with you....

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sorry but you have no dog in this fight.

I don't own a dog and I'm not in a fight.

And again, is this a forum that is open for people from around the world to discuss politics and news?