Has obama failed as a leader

[Incorruptible]

This is one of the few times I have to disagree with Obama. His presidency has been a resounding success. I have listed his many important accomplishments in other threads so I won't reiterate them here. Keep on keeping on Barack!

It amazes me how someone can be this ignorant. Income inequality has grown under obama and he supports the Fed printing $85 billion/month which hurts the poor and middle class and helps the rich. He doesn't seem too interested in addressing the trade deficit with China and he supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

[Texashiker]

His presidency has been a resounding success.

I feel sorry for you, I really do.

 

[fskimospy]

And so it is that again I must pull some hair out of my head and eyebrows to read that some folks blame Obama for not being an effective leader when at the very same moment they cheer on and frantically demand that their elected Representatives and Senators attempt to block every single thing that Obama and the Dems try to get accomplished.

No small wonder that I find participating in this forum much more fun than watching old re-runs of Gilligan's Island, F Troop, McHale's Navy, The Three Stooges and Green Acres. *que in the Loony Toons theme song* and Buh-deep buh-deep buh-deep that's all folks.

It is an interesting act of cognitive dissonance. What they really mean by Obama showing 'leadership' is that they want him to propose policies far enough to the right that Republicans will like them. In effect, they want him to enact their agenda. Capitulating to what they want would be 'leadership'.

By continuing to not do this he is either an ineffective milquetoast or a tyrant, depending on what they are supposed to be outraged by on any given day.

 

[rudder]

Alright, so how is "I know for a fact that the German Chancellor holds Obama in high regard" a leadership failure, oh fast one?

holy crap man... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nsa+spying+german+chancellor

Now go back and read the response I was replying to. Then read my response. Do it three or four times if you must.

Maybe this will help.... http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/american-english/facetious

 

[Texashiker]

It is an interesting act of cognitive dissonance. What they really mean by Obama showing 'leadership' is that they want him to propose policies far enough to the right that Republicans will like them. In effect, they want him to enact their agenda.

Part of being an effective leader is to get rid of the "us vs them" mentality.

It is not what democrats or republicans want, it is what the people want. What is the best course of action for the nation as a whole.

How would a football team score if the linemen only did what was good for them?

Or if the receivers tried blocking rather than catching the ball.

The problem is we do not have an effective leader to guide the team.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Part of being an effective leader is to get rid of the "us vs them" mentality.

It is not what democrats or republicans want, it is what the people want. What is the best course of action for the nation as a whole.

How would a football team score if the linemen only did what was good for them?

Or if the receivers tried blocking rather than catching the ball.

The problem is we do not have an effective leader to guide the team.

I'm not a parent or a teacher, how exactly is someone supposed to lead a bunch of insolent children?

 

[theeedude]

CA has proven once and for all that GOP obstructionism is what is causing never ending political crisis.
Once we gave Democrats a super-majority, all of the sudden a state that everyone proclaimed "ungovernable" was governed just fine.

 

[fskimospy]

Part of being an effective leader is to get rid of the "us vs them" mentality.

It is not what democrats or republicans want, it is what the people want. What is the best course of action for the nation as a whole.

How would a football team score if the linemen only did what was good for them?

Or if the receivers tried blocking rather than catching the ball.

The problem is we do not have an effective leader to guide the team.

And of course you view the answers to all of those things as Obama doing what you want him to do.

Since Obama won't do what the far right wants, they won't vote for his policies. Did you think that Obama is going to pull some kind of slick political move and suddenly make politicians with no electoral incentive to support him forget that?

If you think Obama has not shown 'leadership' provide explicit, concrete examples of this lack of leadership along with a different course of action he could have taken that would have led to a superior, more 'leaderly' result.

 

[fskimospy]

CA has proven once and for all that GOP obstructionism is what is causing never ending political crisis.
Once we gave Democrats a super-majority, all of the sudden a state that everyone proclaimed "ungovernable" was governed just fine.

It is impressive how quickly California's budget situation improved once the Republican minority veto over the budget was removed. I would put a good bit of that on California's overall economic improvement but I remember the legacy of governmental paralysis.

 

[Exophase]

holy crap man... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nsa+spying+german+chancellor

Now go back and read the response I was replying to. Then read my response. Do it three or four times if you must.

Maybe this will help.... http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/american-english/facetious

You know, you COULD have just said the first time that you were being sarcastic. You have to understand that this is NOT apparent in text and it's not clear from the context of your post. Maybe to someone who was aware of the chancellor's comments, but not everyone is going to pick up on every piece of recent news.

Please try that instead of just being a condescending and insulting jerk over what's obviously a misunderstanding.

 

[Texashiker]

CA has proven once and for all that GOP obstructionism is what is causing never ending political crisis.
Once we gave Democrats a super-majority, all of the sudden a state that everyone proclaimed "ungovernable" was governed just fine.

Besides being bankrupt?

Besides having a fleeing tax base?

Besides restrictive regulations and taxation?

Besides having an illegal immigrant problem that is driving the state into bankruptcy?

Besides being called the homeless capital of the United States?

California is on the same path as Detroit, just on a larger scale.

 

[fskimospy]

Besides being bankrupt?

Besides having a fleeing tax base?

Besides restrictive regulations and taxation?

Besides having an illegal immigrant problem that is driving the state into bankruptcy?

Besides being called the homeless capital of the United States?

California is on the same path as Detroit, just on a larger scale.

You realize that California had a budget surplus this year, right?

 

[bshole]

You have to remember that Obama is working with an entire pack of rabid dogs who want to murder the American economy. What I see coming out of the Republican party is simply terrifying. How do you compromise with plum loco?

 

[Thebobo]

If you think Obama has not shown 'leadership' ............

.....provide explicit, concrete examples of this lack of leadership along with a different course of action he could have taken that would have led to a superior, more 'leaderly' result.

No thanks I would rather just bitch and moan and let others tell me what to think and say.

 

[Texashiker]

You realize that California had a budget surplus this year, right?

That is debatable.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358251/myth-california-renaissance-victor-davis-hanson

The “wall of debt” is not $35 billion. According to the State Budget Crisis Task Force report that was issued in January, California’s debt ranges from a minimum of $167 billion to a staggering $335 billion.

With a fleeing tax base that surplus will not last for long.

You have to remember that Obama is working with an entire pack of rabid dogs who want to murder the American economy. What I see coming out of the Republican party is simply terrifying. How do you compromise with plum loco?

Bill clinton put the economy on the butchering block when he signed gatt and nafta. Which he promised not to sign during the campaign.

 

[werepossum]

Let's get some facts straight...I don't love Putin....he's a despicable human being. I'm just thankful that he came to the table and helped defuse this particular situation....I never said or implied anything beyond that. If anything is silly it's you extrapolating well beyond what I said and spinning my words so dishonestly.

I think the situation was already diffused. Congress refused to authorize going to war with Syria, and although Obama blustered everyone knew he was not going to attack after asking and being rebuked. With Putin's plan Obama looks a bit foolish (which he did anyway after making his "line in the sand" comment which he was unable to make good) but he actually got more than he dared hope. I don't think we really care which Islamic nutjob is heading up Syria, and if our European allies are pissed off that they didn't get regime change, maybe that will teach them to do their own heavy lifting.

Sucks for the average Syria people that they have this prolonged civil war between a snake and a rat, but lots of them would have died had we pursued regime change too, with no guaranty that the next government would be noticeably better.

 

[theeedude]

That is debatable.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358251/myth-california-renaissance-victor-davis-hanson
With a fleeing tax base that surplus will not last for long.
Bill clinton put the economy on the butchering block when he signed gatt and nafta. Which he promised not to sign during the campaign.

These long term debt projections need to be compared to long term tax receipts. Then the sky isn't falling, chicken little.

 

[fskimospy]

That is debatable.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358251/myth-california-renaissance-victor-davis-hanson

lol, ultra right blog entry is not debate.

Please feel free to answer my previous question about examples of leadership and what you would do differently.

 

[theeedude]

lol, ultra right blog entry is not debate.

Please feel free to answer my previous question about examples of leadership and what you would do differently.

Even the right wing NRO confirms that the coastal Democrat areas of CA are doing fine, whereas the inland Republican areas are screwed.

 

[boomerang]

I'm not a parent or a teacher, how exactly is someone supposed to lead a bunch of insolent children?

If you actively sought the job and devoted years of your life with all that entailed to get that job, you find a way. You find a way because you knew from having lived in this country and having been involved in our political system that it was going to be a difficult, all encompassing job. You also should have known that the job was going to require more than sacrifice on a personal level, that it was going to require sacrifice on an ideological level. That compromise was the name of the game and that victories might be measured in small gains. You should also know that what's best for the country may be counter to what's best for you and that you'd need to suck it up and do what's right.

If you want to attain the highest job in the land and perhaps the world (arguably not anymore) you come to it with the outlook of an adult. When you approach it with the outlook of a spoiled child, you get nowhere.

If you want to put the label of insolent children on Congress I won't argue the point. But guess what's leading the nation? Yeah, an insolent child. I'm tired of changing diapers.

 

[Texashiker]

Please feel free to answer my previous question about examples of leadership and what you would do differently.

Example of leadership?

Like how Lincoln whipped enough democrats into line that the blacks were finally freed?

Like for LBJ helped get the civil rights act passed?

Maybe how bush sr and clinton got nafta and gatt approved by the senate?

This nation has had a serious lack of leadership since LBJ.

 

[fskimospy]

Example of leadership?

Like how Lincoln whipped enough democrats into line that the blacks were finally freed?

Like for LBJ helped get the civil rights act passed?

Maybe how bush sr and clinton got nafta and gatt approved by the senate?

This nation has had a serious lack of leadership since LBJ.

I said examples of lacking leadership by Obama and what you would have done instead.

 

[Texashiker]

I said examples of lacking leadership by Obama and what you would have done instead.

What would I do differently?

Teamwork. Find common ground and go from there.

You are asking a vague question.

 

[fskimospy]

What would I do differently?

Teamwork. Find common ground and go from there.

You are asking a vague question.

Actually I'm asking a very specific question:

1.) Tell me a specific event where you think Obama exhibited a failure in leadership.
2.) Tell me specific actions that you believe he should have taken instead.
3.) Tell me why this would have made a difference.

You are just using vague platitudes instead of dealing with reality.

 

[Texashiker]

Actually I'm asking a very specific question:

1.) Tell me a specific event where you think Obama exhibited a failure in leadership.

The affordable health care act. Rather than doing what is best for a nation, he bowed to the insurance companies.

Killing US citizens by drone strike. Rather than enforcing the constitution and protecting US citizens life until due process can run its course, his administration ordered drone strikes that killed US citizens.

Not closing gitmo. During his first election campaign obama promised to close gitmo. By holding people forever we have become an embarrassment to human rights.