Has obama failed as a leader

[fskimospy]

The affordable health care act. Rather than doing what is best for a nation, he bowed to the insurance companies.

Killing US citizens by drone strike. Rather than enforcing the constitution and protecting US citizens life until due process can run its course, his administration ordered drone strikes that killed US citizens.

Not closing gitmo. During his first election campaign obama promised to close gitmo. By holding people forever we have become an embarrassment to human rights.

You have not done what I asked for any of these.

To repeat:

1.) Specifically what he did.
2.) Specifically what you would do differently.
3.) Specific anticipated outcome and why.

 

[Texashiker]

You have not done what I asked for any of these.

To repeat:

1.) Specifically what he did.
2.) Specifically what you would do differently.
3.) Specific anticipated outcome and why.

What he did - killed US citizens without due process.

Oath to take office - "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

What I would do differently - Uphold individual civil rights.

Anticipated outcome and why - obama gave the United States a black eye as an upholder of individual rights and liberty.

 

[ivwshane]

You have not done what I asked for any of these.

To repeat:

1.) Specifically what he did.
2.) Specifically what you would do differently.
3.) Specific anticipated outcome and why.

He's not getting it and probably never will. It's a lot easier to play Monday morning quarterback if you don't have to get into the details. He is intent on ignoring what actually happened and has created an alternative history of events in order to support his feelings, so even if he were to give you good examples they would be grossly distorted.

 

[Texashiker]

He's not getting it and probably never will. It's a lot easier to play Monday morning quarterback if you don't have to get into the details. He is intent on ignoring what actually happened and has created an alternative history of events in order to support his feelings, so even if he were to give you good examples they would be grossly distorted.

Post #202, I posted specific answers to his questions.

 

[fskimospy]

What he did - killed US citizens without due process.

Oath to take office - "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

What I would do differently - Uphold individual civil rights.

Anticipated outcome and why - obama gave the United States a black eye as an upholder of individual rights and liberty.

1.) Obama did something I didn't like.
2.) Don't do that
3.) PROFIT

This reasoning is pathetic. Use your brain.

 

[Texashiker]

1.) Obama did something I didn't like.
2.) Don't do that
3.) PROFIT

This reasoning is pathetic. Use your brain.

Since you have no rebuttal besides insults, I am going to guess you have no rebuttal.

 

[fskimospy]

Since you have no rebuttal besides insults, I am going to guess you have no rebuttal.

No, you still didn't answer my question in any reasonable, adult fashion. Try again.

 

[Texashiker]

No, you still didn't answer my question in any reasonable, adult fashion. Try again.

The thing about you is when you have no reply you resort to insults.

I gave an exact detailed reply to your question. You have no rebuttal so you resort to insults. Its like clockwork with your posting history.

 

[fskimospy]

The thing about you is when you have no reply you resort to insults.

I gave an exact detailed reply to your question. You have no rebuttal so you resort to insults. Its like clockwork with your posting history.

No, you didn't. Not only was it not 'leadership' as you defined it earlier in this thread but you provided no alternative action other than 'don't do that' and provided no explanation as to why it would be superior other than a mindless platitude.

Funny thing is that I agree that it was deeply wrong for Obama to do that, but your argument for why is laughably bad.

 

[Incorruptible]

obama has failed horribly. He loves to blame others and doesn't seem too interested in taking responsibility.

 

[Texashiker]

you provided no alternative action other than 'don't do that' .

Killing citizens without due process = bad. What more do you want?

Then there is the whole gitmo issue that obama lied about.

The obama administration is good about suing states over various things, but when it comes to true humanitarian and human rights issues, his answer is drone strike.

Our infrastructure is falling apart, while obama makes loans to electric car companies who either went out of business, or will be made in europe.

~ EDIT ~

Ok, lets talk about gitmo.

The president has failed to rally congress to take any kind of action on the prisoners there.

One of the ideas that this nation was founded on was the right to a speedy trial. obama and Bush turned their back on this basic human right.

The difference is obama promised to close gitmo.

How can you be an effective leader when you ignore basic human rights.

 

[openwheel]

As a policy maker, I think he did a fine job. Some might even categorize him as a moderate Republican.

As a leader, I think he failed.

He was better off as a Senator.

 

[rudeguy]

As a policy maker, I think he did a fine job. Some might even categorize him as a moderate Republican.

As a leader, I think he failed.

He was better off as a Senator.

What?
He's a far left wing socialist.

 

[Thebobo]

What?
He's a far left wing socialist.

Far left? There has not been any far-left since the 70s. Rush tell you to think this?

How is he a socialist? because he instituted Romneycare to a national level?

 

[rudeguy]

Far left? There has not been any far-left since the 70s. Rush tell you to think this?

How is he a socialist? because he instituted Romneycare to a national level?

His whole focus right now is redistribution of wealth.

Socialism.

 

[Incorruptible]

His whole focus right now is redistribution of wealth.

Socialism.

obama is a POS along with many of his brain dead supporters who always shill for him but he isn't a socialist. He is a corporatist who panders to the banks and Military industrial complex.

 

[bradly1101]

Over the past few days there have been some news articles talking about how obama is set to use executive orders to bypass congress.

Foxnews has an article on this,

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...enda-focusing-on-immigration-income-equality/


Another article,

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/obama-congress-act-step-officials-article-1.1592230



Why do we even have a congress if the president refuses to work together?

Part of being a team leader is to bring everyone together, and work through our differences to find common ground. With obama it seems there is no common ground. Either do as he says or he will start signing executive orders.

Good leaders do not make threats.

Reagan signed 381 executive orders, was he not a team player? GWB signed a lot too, and he changed many of the laws he signed by issuing signing statements. Was he not a team player too? They all do it.

 

[fskimospy]

Killing citizens without due process = bad. What more do you want?

Then there is the whole gitmo issue that obama lied about.

The obama administration is good about suing states over various things, but when it comes to true humanitarian and human rights issues, his answer is drone strike.

Our infrastructure is falling apart, while obama makes loans to electric car companies who either went out of business, or will be made in europe.

~ EDIT ~

Ok, lets talk about gitmo.

The president has failed to rally congress to take any kind of action on the prisoners there.

One of the ideas that this nation was founded on was the right to a speedy trial. obama and Bush turned their back on this basic human right.

The difference is obama promised to close gitmo.

How can you be an effective leader when you ignore basic human rights.

Right. So let's talk gitmo.

What would you have done differently and how would it have changed things?

 

[TerryMathews]

Right. So let's talk gitmo.

What would you have done differently and how would it have changed things?

I would've kept my campaign promise and closed it.

The head of the Democratic party rallied his troops and passed his dream legislation in the PPACA. You expect me to believe they couldn't have authorized the closure if Obama insisted?

 

[ivwshane]

Right. So let's talk gitmo.

What would you have done differently and how would it have changed things?

This ought to be fun. Let's see how he factors in congress.

 

[ivwshane]

I would've kept my campaign promise and closed it.

The head of the Democratic party rallied his troops and passed his dream legislation in the PPACA. You expect me to believe they couldn't have authorized the closure if Obama insisted?

No shit you would have closed it, the question is how would you have done it? Remember you are a president and not a dictator and you can't just wish prisoners away.

 

[TerryMathews]

No shit you would have closed it, the question is how would you have done it? Remember you are a president and not a dictator and you can't just wish prisoners away.

I would have brought them back here, given them proper trials, then locked them in a dark corner in a supermax out somewhere in the desert.

Staffed by women, of course. Butch, ugly, manly women.

 

[fskimospy]

I would've kept my campaign promise and closed it.

The head of the Democratic party rallied his troops and passed his dream legislation in the PPACA. You expect me to believe they couldn't have authorized the closure if Obama insisted?

Explain how? What specific actions would you have taken?

Your argument seems to be "I totally would have just made them do it"

 

[brycejones]

I would have brought them back here, given them proper trials, then locked them in a dark corner in a supermax out somewhere in the desert.

Staffed by women, of course. Butch, ugly, manly women.

And you would have ignored the shitstorm and legislation being launched from congress forbidding you from
A. Bringing them to the us.
B. giving the trials
And finally
C. Housing them in the us.


Sorry but congress is just as much at fault for the gitmo mess or maybe even more so than the president.

 

[ivwshane]

And you would have ignored the shitstorm and legislation being launched from congress forbidding you from
A. Bringing them to the us.
B. giving the trials
And finally
C. Housing them in the us.


Sorry but congress is just as much at fault for the gitmo mess or maybe even more so than the president.

Like I said, they will totally ignore congresses part in pretty much every issue.