GOP pandering to racists.....again!

[hal2kilo]

You must not be familiar with the Southern strategy I take it?

Shhh! Never happened. A party with the a proud abolisionist history could not possibly have done anything like that.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Regardless of race, it is making it hard for voters that will not vote for the party in control to go out and vote.

You can argue color or other motives till the cows sing Justin Timberlake, it still does not change the facts.

 

[Zebo]

On the contrary, if the Republicans think blacks are stupid for one reason, it's for falling hook line and sinker for the Democrat victimization scheme.

So you're saying 95% of black people are stupid. Good way to woo them me thinks.

 

[Carmen813]

Well, Americans get pissed off when their President calls them lazy.

Really? I get pissed off when people deliberately distort things out of context and naively pretend innocence. Well, it's not so much that I get pissed off as I am instantly able to determine who is a complete partisan tool.

 

[Carmen813]

What did Mr Affirmative Action Posterboy have to ever work hard for? What real job has he ever held?

I'm looking forward for you to defining real job and explaining how graduating from Harvard is easy. Please explain it to me because the mental gymnastics you will undergo will surely provide hours of entertainment.

It's quite something to watch a bitter white man bitch about a black man who has accomplished more than he ever will and blame it on AA. A policy of which, by the by, has done far more to help white women....and those who receive AA positions have been found to have a much greater disposition to contribute back to society compared to non-AA individuals.

 

[cubby1223]

Would you consider that action as racist, by denying a certain group of people a way to get a photo ID?

How are they being denied? Grow up.

Stop reading partisan activist "news" it'll do you a heap of good. Whenever you read an opinion piece, ask yourself "does it make sense?"

 

[cubby1223]

You must not be familiar with the Southern strategy I take it?

Yet another example of your inability for complex understanding. The only thing you ever seem to see is the R or the D. You're hopeless.

 

[RampantAndroid]

When you may have no transportation and your local DMV has been closed by Repubs running your state, it becomes nearly impossible for some to get in time to vote. Some on limited income also may not be able to afford it. Also ask yourself why this is primarily only occurring in poor neighborhoods.

Can someone provide a link for this?

 

[cybrsage]

Really? I get pissed off when people deliberately distort things out of context and naively pretend innocence. Well, it's not so much that I get pissed off as I am instantly able to determine who is a complete partisan tool.

So you are pissed at Obama like the rest of us then.

 

[cybrsage]

I'm looking forward for you to defining real job and explaining how graduating from Harvard is easy. Please explain it to me because the mental gymnastics you will undergo will surely provide hours of entertainment.

It's quite something to watch a bitter white man bitch about a black man who has accomplished more than he ever will and blame it on AA. A policy of which, by the by, has done far more to help white women....and those who receive AA positions have been found to have a much greater disposition to contribute back to society compared to non-AA individuals.

Curious though, how did the black son of a poor, single mother afford to go to some of the most expensive colleges?

Info could be out there, dunno...but poor black man and expensive college are not two things which go together without AA being involved.

 

[cybrsage]

Here's one example: http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/07...-democratic-areas-after-passing-voter-id-law/

Still looking into it, since all the links are months old, but the offices do not close down until January.

I did find this:

The recently enacted state budget requires that DMV driver license and ID card services be offered in all 72 counties at least 20 hours a week. Currently, only 30 counties have offices that meet that 20-hour requirement.
Once the changes are made, there will be 625 more hours of DMV service to the public a week or about 32,000 hours more a year, said Kristina Boardman, the department's director of field services who is overseeing the plan.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OKSP800.htm

I find it shocking there are DMV centers only open 20 hours a week.

That link also appears to have the fully story, whereas the link you posted only shows a very small part of it. The DMV also says the list is not finalized, but is the initial proposal. Initial proposals never survive intact, so we can expect changes to it. I am trying to find what those are.

As an aside, being able to force through legislation is why I am opposed to EITHER party having an unstoppable majority in both houses and executive branch in any government. BOTH parties will abuse it. The government that is paralyzed is the best government in most cases.


EDIT: In PA, we have to show ID the first time we vote in a new area. No one was disenfranchised by this...except for those fleeing the law and illegals. The dead have a harder time voting now as well. Yes, most of these people voted democrat, but they should have never voted to start with.

 

[Zebo]

I don't know why people say he was poor. He went to elite private schools all his life. Flew all around the world as a kid. Lived in HI with his grandparents. He and his mother were the epitome of trust fund babies as far as I can tell neither ever had to make a living. I have called him BlackBush not only for his nearly identical policies but for his upbringing too. BTW his father wasnt poor either. You don't fly to USA and go to several universites inclduing Harvard as a poor African.

 

[cybrsage]

Hmmm...did not know that. You are right, his mother ditched him and his rich grandparents raised him. They pulled strings to get him into elite schools.

You are also right, he is BlackBush. His foreign policies (other than the strange desire to debase himself before other world leaders) are much like Bush's policies. He even started more foreign wars while continuing the ones he promised to end.

 

[fskimospy]

EDIT: In PA, we have to show ID the first time we vote in a new area. No one was disenfranchised by this...except for those fleeing the law and illegals. The dead have a harder time voting now as well. Yes, most of these people voted democrat, but they should have never voted to start with.

Please provide evidence to back up your claims. I am aware of no credible source that has stated that voter ID requirements will disenfranchise no one.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm looking forward for you to defining real job and explaining how graduating from Harvard is easy. Please explain it to me because the mental gymnastics you will undergo will surely provide hours of entertainment.

It's quite something to watch a bitter white man bitch about a black man who has accomplished more than he ever will and blame it on AA. A policy of which, by the by, has done far more to help white women....and those who receive AA positions have been found to have a much greater disposition to contribute back to society compared to non-AA individuals.

Not to mention that he was an attorney for a Chicago area law firm for several years.

 

[soundforbjt]

To all of you who are defending the republican controlled states efforts to ram through voter ID requirements before the next election.

Please show me facts as to why this is so needed at this time. Why wasn't it needed 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc.? I eagerly await your links showing the widespread need in those states.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

To all of you who are defending the republican controlled states efforts to ram through voter ID requirements before the next election.

Please show me facts as to why this is so needed at this time. Why wasn't it needed 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc.? I eagerly await your links showing the widespread need in those states.

Funny, I've been voting since 1976 and have had to show ID (voter registration card with ID in Virginia) every time I voted.

Can't prove you're a registered citizen, you shouldn't be able to vote. Why this is an issue I have no clue.

 

[cybrsage]

Please provide evidence to back up your claims. I am aware of no credible source that has stated that voter ID requirements will disenfranchise no one.

That is easy. There were no ALCU lawsuits over it. It was deemed fine to require ID the first time someone votes in a new area. Using one every time was deemed too hard on people...which I find odd.

However, since the ACLU did not sue, we can easily say they had no problems with it.

Now it is your turn to prove YOUR point that it DOES disenfranchise people. Your claim, you prove your own point.

 

[cybrsage]

To all of you who are defending the republican controlled states efforts to ram through voter ID requirements before the next election.

Please show me facts as to why this is so needed at this time. Why wasn't it needed 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc.? I eagerly await your links showing the widespread need in those states.

The Constitution says you have to be a citizen of at least 18 years old to vote. This is simply a way to uphold and support the constitution.

Now you tell me, why should people not have to follow the constitution?

 

[cybrsage]

Funny, I've been voting since 1976 and have had to show ID (voter registration card with ID in Virginia) every time I voted.

Can't prove you're a registered citizen, you shouldn't be able to vote. Why this is an issue I have no clue.

You are old, which means you are out of touch and what you say should be ignored, unless you agree with a dem, then you are wise. Besides, the republicans want to throw you off a cliff while the dems refuse to use scare tactics for political purposes.


I think a dem will be able to understand that, I used a lot of their talking points strung together.

 

[soundforbjt]

So, as I expected. You can't show any reason why this is needed so desperately at this time. Thought so.

Again, Why wasn't it needed 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc.? I eagerly await your links showing the widespread need in those states.

 

[fskimospy]

That is easy. There were no ALCU lawsuits over it. It was deemed fine to require ID the first time someone votes in a new area. Using one every time was deemed too hard on people...which I find odd.

However, since the ACLU did not sue, we can easily say they had no problems with it.

Now it is your turn to prove YOUR point that it DOES disenfranchise people. Your claim, you prove your own point.

That is an impossibly stupid argument, and it is not evidence as rational people understand it. I have made no concrete claims about this particular law, I was merely pointing out how your claim lacked any evidence whatsoever.

So once again, back up your bullshit or admit that you can't.

 

[cybrsage]

So you refuse to backup your claim, I notice...not surprising.

And yes, the ACLU not suing over a law means that law has no impact or bearing on civil rights. We both know this, why do you pretend it is not so?

 

[cybrsage]

So, as I expected. You can't show any reason why this is needed so desperately at this time. Thought so.

Again, Why wasn't it needed 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc.? I eagerly await your links showing the widespread need in those states.

So, as I expected. You can't show any reason why this the constitution should be followed. Thought so.

I eagerly await your links showing why we do not need to ensure the constittuion is actually followed.

 

[Carmen813]

Curious though, how did the black son of a poor, single mother afford to go to some of the most expensive colleges?

Info could be out there, dunno...but poor black man and expensive college are not two things which go together without AA being involved.

It seems you are unfamiliar with how university education is financed. There is no reason he could not have afforded these colleges, especially when you consider just how much cheaper they were 20 years ago. Is it possible he couldn't afford it today? Yes, but that's a different problem.

AA policies do not prevent qualified individuals from becoming educated. The impression is that academically it has helped people of color, but it has been shown to have helped WHITE women the most by far. That is why more WHITE women graduate now from univerisits than do white MEN or any other group. That said, I myself have obtained plenty of student aid and scholarships as a white man, including a $60,000 scholarship for my graduate degree. It certainly hasn't squelched my opportunities.

But, let's go ahead and say you are absolutely right and that Obama was an AA admit. Why is this a problem? Affirmative Action policies have substantially improved the quality of education I've received. I have benefited tremendously both intellectually and personally through my interactions with students from minority backgrounds. My understanding of the world is significantly more complex than it would have been. As I said earlier, AA admits have been emperically shown to have a higher predisposition to make a contribution to society and do better academically.

People attack AA because they either do not understand how the policies work or feel it gives minorities an unfair special privilege. The sad part is that do this while ignoring all the priviledges they themselves received simply by being a member of the dominant group. Giving these individuals at least a shot at education is the least we can do as a society.

Do I think AA is a great policy? Nope, it's merely a bandaid and a weak one at that. However until people (particularly the majority) in our society are willing to have a substantive discussion about the various "isms" and how it hurts not only minorities, but the majority as well, AA is the best we can do. Sadly, to many don't realize how the harm they are caused by maintaining a priviledged role in society outweights the benefits they receive...and thus act either covertly or overtly to maintain exist systems of power. This voter ID law is an example of that.

Requiring an ID is a form of voter suppression plain and simple. It's very sad watching a wide range of conservatives who regularly claim to support Constitutional and individual freedom support a policy that is pure statism and countermands one of our democracies fundamental rights. The Constitution says NOTHING about requiring a photo ID because ...shocker...THERE WAS NO SUCH THING. Instituting this type of law is how those in power stay in power. That is who it serves and who it protects, it does little to help with actually voting irregularities.