GOP pandering to racists.....again!

[soundforbjt]

Funny, I've been voting since 1976 and have had to show ID (voter registration card with ID in Virginia) every time I voted.

Can't prove you're a registered citizen, you shouldn't be able to vote. Why this is an issue I have no clue.

Special Federal ID Requirements for Certain First Time Voters
For persons who registered to vote in Virginia by mail, federal law requires them to show identification (ID) when voting for the first time in a federal election if they did not send a copy of one of these IDs with their voter registration applications. Voters subject to this special ID requirement will have the phrase "First-time Federal" after the “ID Required” item in their on-line voter registration record. Any of the following types of ID are acceptable:

1. A current and valid photo ID (for example a driver’s license);
2. or a current utility bill, bank statement, government check or paycheck that shows name and address;
3. or another government document that shows name and address (for example a voter card).

This federal ID requirement applies the first time a person votes in any federal election, either on the day of the election or by absentee ballot. If the voter does not present one of these forms of ID at the polls, that person can still vote, but must cast a provisional ballot that includes a voter information statement under felony penalty. This is a paper ballot that the local electoral board may count the day after the election, if it can verify the person was qualified to vote in that precinct. Such persons have the right to appear before the Electoral Board and can request an extension up to one day to present evidence.

http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/cms/Voter_Information/Voter_ID_Requirements_in_Virginia.html

Virginia doesn't require a photo ID.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/cms/Voter_Information/Voter_ID_Requirements_in_Virginia.html

Virginia doesn't require a photo ID.

I've had to show my ID every time I voted in Virginia and Texas.

Guess you should have read this part.

Regular Virginia ID Requirements for All Other Voters
Virginia law requires all other voters to provide identification (ID) at the polls, or sign an Affirmation of Identity under felony penalty, in order to vote at the polls. This ID requirement also applies to absentee voters who vote in person. Voters subject to this regular ID requirement will have the word “State” after the “ID Required” item in their on-line voter registration record.

 

[soundforbjt]

So, as I expected. You can't show any reason why this the constitution should be followed. Thought so.

I eagerly await your links showing why we do not need to ensure the constittuion is actually followed.

I never said the Constitution shouldn't be followed. Please point out where I said that or you are a liar.

I said that the laws being passed by republican controlled states are making it harder for the poor to vote, mainly those who vote for dems.

Why did Texas, for example give a pass to the elderly in their new law?

 

[fskimospy]

So you refuse to backup your claim, I notice...not surprising.

And yes, the ACLU not suing over a law means that law has no impact or bearing on civil rights. We both know this, why do you pretend it is not so?

You believe that the ACLU sues over every law that has an impact on civil rights? How stupid are you? What is the basis for this new, equally unfounded claim? Also, do you realize that someone calling bullshit on your claim is not the equivalent of making the equal and opposite claim?

Do you mind if I ask how old you are? A lot of this behavior you're showing on here is pretty juvenile.

 

[soundforbjt]

I've had to show my ID every time I voted in Virginia and Texas.

Guess you should have read this part.

I read it, did you?

or sign an Affirmation of Identity under felony penalty

Photo ID not required, period.

I don't think Virginia is one of the states passing new laws, is it?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Whatever, it's easier to show an ID.

 

[soundforbjt]

EDIT: In PA, we have to show ID the first time we vote in a new area. No one was disenfranchised by this...except for those fleeing the law and illegals. The dead have a harder time voting now as well. Yes, most of these people voted democrat, but they should have never voted to start with.

PA does not require photo ID's either:

All voters who appear at a polling place for the first time must show proof of identification. Approved forms of photo identification include:

• Pennsylvania driver’s license or PennDOT ID card
• ID issued by any Commonwealth agency
• ID issued by the U.S. Government
• U.S. passport
• U.S. Armed Forces ID
• Student ID
• Employee ID

If you do not have a photo ID, you can use a non-photo identification that includes your name and address. Approved forms of non-photo identification include:

• Confirmation issued by the County Voter Registration Office
• Non-photo ID issued by the Commonwealth
• Non-photo ID issued by the U.S. Government
• Firearm permit
• Current utility bill
• Current bank statement
• Current paycheck
• Government check

If you are voting for the first time in your county and you intend to vote by absentee ballot, please include a copy of a form of identification with your voter registration application. Otherwise, you will be required by federal law to include a copy of a form of identification with your absentee ballot. Learn more about voting by absentee ballot.

If you do not bring your ID on Election Day, vote with a provisional ballot. Don’t leave without voting!

http://www.votespa.com/portal/serve...vote/13515/guide_for_first-time_voters/585297

 

[Londo_Jowo]

How many will feel disenfranchised if they have to sign a Affirmation of Identity (subject to felony penalties) or vote on a provisional ballot?

 

[soundforbjt]

How many will feel disenfranchised if they have to sign a Affirmation of Identity (subject to felony penalties) or vote on a provisional ballot?

None. That's the point. Republican controlled states are rushing to pass laws requiring photo ID to vote. The laws in Virginia & PA for example are fine with me.

 

[cybrsage]

I never said the Constitution shouldn't be followed. Please point out where I said that or you are a liar.

Easy, you said people should not have to prove they are citizens. The constitution clearly says people must be citizens. The implication of your requirement that no proof of citizen should be requires is clear.

 

[fskimospy]

Easy, you said people should not have to prove they are citizens. The constitution clearly says people must be citizens. The implication of your requirement that no proof of citizen should be requires is clear.

That's not actually how the Constitution or the US system of law works. Back to civics 101 with you!

 

[cybrsage]

PA does not require photo ID's either:


http://www.votespa.com/portal/serve...vote/13515/guide_for_first-time_voters/585297

Ever try to vote using a utility bill when you cannot prove you are the guy listed on the bill?

 

[fskimospy]

Ever try to vote using a utility bill when you cannot prove you are the guy listed on the bill?

You realize you can do exactly that, right?

 

[cybrsage]

That's not actually how the Constitution or the US system of law works. Back to civics 101 with you!

Even though one under the United States Constitution, in Article VI, section 3, stipulates that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." The Constitution, however, leaves the determination of voting qualifications to the individual states. Over time, the federal role in elections has increased through amendments to the Constitution and enacted legislation, such as the Voting Rights Act of 1965.[1] At least four of the fifteen post-Civil War constitutional amendments were ratified specifically to extend voting rights to different groups of citizens. These extensions state that voting rights cannot be denied or abridged based on:

Birth - "All persons born or naturalized" "are citizens" of the US and the US State where they reside (14th Amendment, 1868)
"Race, color, or previous condition of servitude" - (15th Amendment, 1870)
"On account of sex" - (19th Amendment, 1920)
Washington, DC, Citizenship, restoring voting rights for only Presidential Elections after 164 year suspension by US Congress (23rd Amendment, 1961)
(For federal elections) "By reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax" - (24th Amendment, 1964)
Wealth or failure to pay fees - (Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966))
"Who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age" (26th Amendment, 1971).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States

I think the US Constitution is very much a major player in who can vote. You should slap your civics 101 teacher and demand your money back.

 

[soundforbjt]

Easy, you said people should not have to prove they are citizens. The constitution clearly says people must be citizens. The implication of your requirement that no proof of citizen should be requires is clear.

Again, please show me the quote where I said that, you liar. It's not my requirements, but the requirements of the state's voting regulations.

Boy are you dense. How old are you... 12?

 

[fskimospy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States

I think the US Constitution is very much a major player in who can vote. You should slap your civics 101 teacher and demand your money back.

Jesus christ, how stupid are you? The US Constitution says that only US citizens can vote, but failing to require a photo ID to vote does not mean that you are not following the US Constitution.

I asked you this before, but I don't think you answered. How old are you?

 

[cybrsage]

You realize you can do exactly that, right?

This is where theory and reality do not meet. Theoretically, you can. In reality, you will have a hard time being successful. You may be successfull, but maybe not. Depends on whether the poll judges want to verify your billing statement with the electric company (for example) or if they blindly pass you through. If you show up after working hours you may be out of luck.

Nothing says the polling place is not allowed to verify your information is not fake.

In PA, it is only needed the first time. After that, your signature just needs to match the one they have on record from your first vote.

 

[fskimospy]

This is where theory and reality do not meet. Theoretically, you can. In reality, you will have a hard time being successful. You may be successfull, but maybe not. Depends on whether the poll judges want to verify your billing statement with the electric company (for example) or if they blindly pass you through. If you show up after working hours you may be out of luck.

Nothing says the polling place is not allowed to verify your information is not fake.

In PA, it is only needed the first time. After that, your signature just needs to match the one they have on record from your first vote.

False.

You would never be out of luck, in the absolute worst case scenario they would take your information and you would cast a provisional ballot. I'm frankly surprised you're old enough to vote considering how you act.

 

[cybrsage]

Jesus christ, how stupid are you?

Roughly 92.452 times less stupid than you. Had you been less stupid, you would have known that already.

The US Constitution says that only US citizens can vote, but failing to require a photo ID to vote does not mean that you are not following the US Constitution.

Sigh...you really do not know how the Constitution works. Here is the explaination, using my previously used link:

The issue of voting rights in the United States has been contentious throughout the country's history. Eligibility to vote in the U.S. is determined by both Federal and state law. Currently, only citizens can vote in U.S. elections (although this has not always been the case). Who is (or who can become) a citizen is governed on a national basis by Federal law. In the absence of a federal law or constitutional amendment, each State is given considerable discretion to establish qualifications for suffrage and candidacy within its own jurisdiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States

The short version:

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) states the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution are reserved, respectively, to the states or the people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

So the Constitution expressly gives the power to control voting (which may or may not require voter ID) to the States.

I asked you this before, but I don't think you answered. How old are you?

I thought you disliked red herrings? Are you now a fish lover?

 

[cybrsage]

False.

You would never be out of luck, in the absolute worst case scenario they would take your information and you would cast a provisional ballot. I'm frankly surprised you're old enough to vote considering how you act.

Proof of this. "Cause I said so" does not count.

 

[soundforbjt]

Proof of this. "Cause I said so" does not count.

From your state of PA, which I quoted their requirements earlier.

If you do not bring your ID on Election Day, vote with a provisional ballot.

 

[cybrsage]

From your state of PA, which I quoted their requirements earlier.

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You DID bring ID...you brought an unverified bill. Try actually using info which touches on what you said.

 

[fskimospy]

Absolutely nothing in what you just wrote establishes your argument.

The original statement was this:

So, as I expected. You can't show any reason why this is needed so desperately at this time. Thought so.

Again, Why wasn't it needed 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc.? I eagerly await your links showing the widespread need in those states.

That is the comment to which you said:

The Constitution says you have to be a citizen of at least 18 years old to vote. This is simply a way to uphold and support the constitution.

Now you tell me, why should people not have to follow the constitution?

The original question and answer referred to the necessity of voter ID laws to uphold the Constitution. Providing a link that says the states can manage their own elections does nothing to either confirm or deny the necessity of voter ID laws to uphold the Constitution, merely that states have the discretion to implement them.

Do you even remember what you are trying to argue about?

Oh, and my asking your age is simply for my own information. I want to know if I should feel bad because you're so young, or feel embarrassed for you because you aren't.

 

[fskimospy]

You DID bring ID...you brought an unverified bill. Try actually using info which touches on what you said.

Wait, so you're arguing that if you bring nothing at all you can cast a provisional ballot, but if you DO bring ID that they aren't sure about then you won't be able to vote at all?

Think that through for a minute.

 

[BladeVenom]

I've said this a hundred times and I'll keep saying it.

When you repeat the same lie enough times, you start to believe it.