GOP pandering to racists.....again!

[airdata]

Right wingers are pre disposed to racism because of the way they single out groups of people.

Listen to the way your average right winger talks about "Liberals". That's the same behavior as a racist exhibits when talking about people of a certain race.

I see far less people who are considered left wing people who exhibit the same behavior. Most of these people are younger and have grown up in mixed environments and embrace other cultures.

 

[fskimospy]

It serves the purpose of not allowing non-citizens to vote. How is that "no purpose"?

No it doesn't.

Not only can non-citizens get photo IDs in most (if not all?) states, but voter registration serves to ensure that someone is a citizen and eligible to vote, not an ID at the voting booth. Photo ID requirements exist to prevent in person voter fraud, a practice so exceedingly rare that for all intents and purposes it does not exist.

 

[fskimospy]

So are only minorities being carded when voting under this(these) law(s)?

No, they are just affected to a much larger extent. To be fair, their votes are being suppressed more because they are a Democratic leaning constituency as opposed to their race, but the facts remain.

 

[soundforbjt]

So are only minorities being carded when voting under this(these) law(s)?

Please tell me why they (red states) are closing and\or limiting hours of the DMV's only in poor mostly black neighborhoods, is not trying to limit their vote?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

No, they are just affected to a much larger extent. To be fair, their votes are being suppressed more because they are a Democratic leaning constituency as opposed to their race, but the facts remain.

The fact that no group is being singled out and the law equally applies to all groups precludes "racism." The Supreme Court upheld Indiana's law in particular. Next?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Please tell me why they (red states) are closing and\or limiting hours of the DMV's only in poor mostly black neighborhoods, is not trying to limit their vote?

I am not familiar with that particular issue, so I can't comment on it.

 

[soundforbjt]

I am not familiar with that particular issue, so I can't comment on it.

Would you consider that action as racist, by denying a certain group of people a way to get a photo ID?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Would you consider that action as racist, by denying a certain group of people a way to get a photo ID?

I would, but again, I'm not familiar with that particular issue so there may be other factors that I'm unaware of.

 

[Ninjahedge]

sound, it may not be RACIST, but it is definitely political dirty pool.

Like district assignments where you get those long narrow bands of a district connecting two lumps of some group more likely to vote R or D.....

They make photo ID necessary, then make it harder to get in areas where they might not get votes. That coincides with minority areas.

I bet you could find a few non-minority districts that have the same problem.... but you will probably find that correlation/political leaning there as well.

 

[fskimospy]

The fact that no group is being singled out and the law equally applies to all groups precludes "racism." The Supreme Court upheld Indiana's law in particular. Next?

No it doesn't, that's obviously false. If we passed a law that said blond people had to pay a tax, that would be racist against white people even though it didn't specifically single out white people. (other races may have dyed their hair!)

The Supreme Court upheld the law because they only used the rational basis review on it, a hurdle so low that all it means is that the people who came up with it weren't completely insane. Almost no law, no matter how shitty, EDIT: fails rational basis. For example, Jim Crow laws would have withstood rational basis review most likely.

 

[Ausm]

Do you truly believe, if Obama were white, that he would have gotten into Columbia, let alone HLS? And got a teaching gig at a prestigious law school right out of college?

Again, prior to becoming president, what did he accomplish in life?

Being born in Kenya?

 

[soundforbjt]

I would, but again, I'm not familiar with that particular issue so there may be other factors that I'm unaware of.

Thanks for being honest. A sometimes rare commodity here.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

No it doesn't, that's obviously false.

You guys want to see racist intent where none exists. There is nothing racist about a law that says "Present a gov't-issued photo ID to vote." You can twist it, turn it, go off on as many tangents as you want, but it isn't racist. I'm subject to the law just as much as anyone.

Is voter fraud a big enough issue to justify any additional cost imposed on the taxpayer to fund this program? That's another discussion and I don't have any figures to know the answer.

If we passed a law that said blond people had to pay a tax, that would be racist against white people even though it didn't specifically single out white people. (other races may have dyed their hair!)

Bad analogy because you are, in fact, singling out a group by name (blonde people) in the law. Does the voter ID law say the only minorities must have voter IDs? Does it say something like "People who don't speak English are the only ones that need photo IDs"? Of course not. Those WOULD be racist.

 

[cybrsage]

Right wingers are pre disposed to racism because of the way they single out groups of people.

Listen to the way your average right winger talks about "Liberals". That's the same behavior as a racist exhibits when talking about people of a certain race.

I see far less people who are considered left wing people who exhibit the same behavior. Most of these people are younger and have grown up in mixed environments and embrace other cultures.

Says the man who singled out a group of people and labeled them all as racists...using the same behavior he just denigrated.

Jussaying ArbyBBQSauce...

 

[cybrsage]

Would you consider that action as racist, by denying a certain group of people a way to get a photo ID?

Who is denied the ability to enter the photo license center and obtain a photo ID card? Other than people fleeing the law and foreign nationals?

 

[fskimospy]

You guys want to see racist intent where none exists. There is nothing racist about a law that says "Present a gov't-issued photo ID to vote." You can twist it, turn it, go off on as many tangents as you want, but it isn't racist. I'm subject to the law just as much as anyone.

Is voter fraud a big enough issue to justify any additional cost imposed on the taxpayer to fund this program? That's another discussion and I don't have any figures to know the answer.

Bad analogy because you are, in fact, singling out a group by name (blonde people) in the law.

If you target a population through attributes that they disproportionately display and you do so for no legitimate purpose, that's racist. End of story. You want another example? How about a 100% tax on Dave Matthews concert tickets.

Voter ID laws do not serve a legitimate purpose. This has been discussed at great length in a number of threads here. Long story short: the type of voter fraud that these laws prevent basically does not exist. Even if it did exist, it would affect elections to such a small level as to be meaningless.

 

[cybrsage]

Being born in Kenya?

I know you are joking, but it brings up an interesting point. You do not have to be born in the US to be a Natural Born US Citizen. Here is an example:

A woman is visiting Niagra Falls while pregnant. She is from upstate New York, so the drive is short, and she still have 6 weeks until she is due to have her baby...so all is safe and good.

While on the Canadian side of the Falls, she slips on the rocks and plops hard onto her butt. It is just enough...she goes into premature labor. The Canadian police (park rangers, security, whoever is there) rush her to a Canadian hospital where she gives birth. Is the baby a natural born US citizen?

Yes. The baby may also be a Canadian citizen, depending on the laws of Canada, but the baby is a Natural Born US Citizen.

EDIT: Basically, the rules are that at least one parent must be a US Citizen and must have spent X number of years (cannot remember off the top of my head) out of the last Y years in the US. The rules are slightly different if there is only one citizen parent involved or if there are two.


THUS, Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen...and would be even if he was born in the pleasure palace of Kim Jung Il...since his mom spent almost her entire life in the US and was a US Citizen.

 

[Ausm]

Well you can link to whatever the hell u want, here he is saying it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OVNPcr8uyg&feature=related

Ok so you proved that you won't believe anything you hear either...want a cookie?

 

[soundforbjt]

Who is denied the ability to enter the photo license center and obtain a photo ID card? Other than people fleeing the law and foreign nationals?

When you may have no transportation and your local DMV has been closed by Repubs running your state, it becomes nearly impossible for some to get in time to vote. Some on limited income also may not be able to afford it. Also ask yourself why this is primarily only occurring in poor neighborhoods.

 

[cybrsage]

How about the repug govs passing voter ID laws and closing and or limiting hours for DMV's in black neighborhoods?

Who do you think those laws are targeting?

Proof the GOP is doing this. "Cause I said so" does not count.

 

[cybrsage]

When you may have no transportation and your local DMV has been closed by Repubs running your state, it becomes nearly impossible for some to get in time to vote. Some on limited income also may not be able to afford it. Also ask yourself why this is primarily only occurring in poor neighborhoods.

I missed your last post until just now.

Proof this is happening and proof buses do not run to these locations.

However, if I were to ask what the crime rate is in these neighborhoods, would you expect it to be higher than the non-poor neighborhoods? Would you also expect crime to be a factor in deciding which locations to close and which to keep open? Assuming what you are saying is true, which you have yet to show.

 

[KlokWyze]

Right wingers are pre disposed to racism because of the way they single out groups of people.

Ironing.

While the GOP is most popular in the south, with older whites, etc. It shows bad form to constantly label the GOP as a "racist" party. It's a topic that just needs to DIAF.

BTW, this article has nothing to do with racism.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

If you target a population through attributes that they disproportionately display and you do so for no legitimate purpose, that's racist. End of story. You want another example? How about a 100% tax on Dave Matthews concert tickets.

So you are saying that these laws were passed to intentionally discriminate against a certain group due to the fact that the group in question disproportionately displays certain characteristics which are targeted?

A quick Google search shows that white people disproportionately own the majority of homes. So I suppose one could argue that property taxes and other real estate taxes are racist towards white people. Right?

What are you going to say next? "Uh, well, young people disproportionately go to concerts so taxing tickets is discriminating against them!"

Even if it did exist, it would affect elections to such a small level as to be meaningless.

In most areas, this statement is probably true. Again, though, I see no issues with requiring IDs as long as they're made readily available to all.

 

[soundforbjt]

I missed your last post until just now.

Proof this is happening and proof buses do not run to these locations.

However, if I were to ask what the crime rate is in these neighborhoods, would you expect it to be higher than the non-poor neighborhoods? Would you also expect crime to be a factor in deciding which locations to close and which to keep open? Assuming what you are saying is true, which you have yet to show.

Here's one example: http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/07...-democratic-areas-after-passing-voter-id-law/

 

[soundforbjt]

Some more info:

Kris Kobach, the secretary of state of Kansas and longtime conservative activist, has led the voter ID drive in his state. Kobach explained that between 1997 and 2010, Kansas has experienced “221 cases of reported voter fraud.” A dubious claim since not a single criminal conviction has resulted. Over the same period of time, Kansans cast 10 million votes. Even if everyone of the claimed cases of voter fraud were accurate, the rate of fraud would be miniscule.
Numerous surveys show that blacks, Hispanics, the elderly, and the young are less likely like to possess a form of government-issued identification. Except for the elderly, the other demographics are more likely to vote Democratic. The elderly are more likely to vote Republican. In a shameless display of the falsity of their voter fraud motivations, Republicans in Texas simply exempted the elderly from the new voter ID law.

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/07/31/the-gop-and-voter-disenfranchisement/