GM Boycott anyone?

[Fenixgoon]

chrysler ftw, i love their cars

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Squisher
It won't give me much joy, but it certainly will be expected when all IT work is done by foreign companies. Don't worry we can all get jobs at McDonald's.


As for foreign manufacturers making cars here, very little of the content in those cars are made here and all the profits of those foreign cars goes immediately offshore.

Company....Employees........Major plants
GM ...........194,000.............. 82
Ford .........128,000 ..............35
DCX ...........76,600 ..............24
Toyota .......31,000............... 8
Honda ........15,900 ...............8
Nissan ........25,000............... 8

thank you, those were the exact numbers i was looking for.

what now fanboys?

if you buy a japanese car, you purchased a JAPANESE car, not american.

GOOD.

so why don't you go to japan then if you like it there so much? i sure as hell don't want you living in america.

Isn't America the biggest proponent of free trade and free markets? If anything I'm being more American by buying Japanese cars.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
A UAW boycott would be more like it. It's not GMs fault that they have to pay their workers so much money that they can't stay in business. Any company that is forced top ay wages to their employees that are far higher than they should be getting will have trouble staying in business. Good going UAW. Way to force more jobs overseas.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

It's not GM's fault. It's UAW's fault. GM boycott wont help anyone. You need to read more about Delphi and their bankruptcy and why it happened if you think GM needs to be boycotted.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: desy
Corolla built in Canada, as most Hondas too from the map
PROFITS don't stay in America when you buy foreign

Profits that stay in America are what the big, fat, stupid execs of American companies get. I could give two sh!ts about them.

Wages are what workers get and they're paid to workers employed by the Japanese and Americans alike. I'm far more concerned about these guys since they're my friends and neighbors.

actually it goes to shareholders, and with the way pensions and everything else are set up probably a quarter of all households hold GM stock. or did, at least.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
A UAW boycott would be more like it. It's not GMs fault that they have to pay their workers so much money that they can't stay in business. Any company that is forced top ay wages to their employees that are far higher than they should be getting will have trouble staying in business. Good going UAW. Way to force more jobs overseas.

:thumbsup:

I spot two idiots in this thread. The Management agreed to the UAW's contract. Boycotting will not help the slightest bit though.
Chrysler is doing just fine with their UAW workers.

UAW had most of the bargaining power in the contract considering that GM was faced with strike if they did not agree. Yes there are always 2 sides to every story but from what I read about the situation, GM didnt have much of a chance other than to raise the wages. UAW also has stipulations in the contract that leaves a certain amount of employees employeed even if the plant closes leaving a % of the employees to be paid even if the plant closes. These people getting paid for nothing caused a pretty big problem in the payroll.

But Delphi also blamed its spinoff agreement with GM for saddling it with high labor costs. Under the agreement, Delphi is required to pay GM wages of $27 an hour to most of its 24,000 UAW-represented workers. That?s double the level of competing suppliers, according to Standard & Poor?s Ratings Services. Delphi also had to pay full wages and benefits to 4,000 laid-off workers in jobs banks, which cost it $400 million each year.

that is taken from LINK

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

But Delphi also blamed its spinoff agreement with GM for saddling it with high labor costs. Under the agreement, Delphi is required to pay GM wages of $27 an hour to most of its 24,000 UAW-represented workers. That?s double the level of competing suppliers, according to Standard & Poor?s Ratings Services. Delphi also had to pay full wages and benefits to 4,000 laid-off workers in jobs banks, which cost it $400 million each year.

that is taken from LINK

that's $100,000 per laid off job bank worker.

what
the
fsck

 

[CheesePoofs]

I wouldn't buy an Amercan car anyways. I'd just like a small car that gets nice gas mileage, most likely a Japanese car.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Squisher
It won't give me much joy, but it certainly will be expected when all IT work is done by foreign companies. Don't worry we can all get jobs at McDonald's.


As for foreign manufacturers making cars here, very little of the content in those cars are made here and all the profits of those foreign cars goes immediately offshore.

Company....Employees........Major plants
GM ...........194,000.............. 82
Ford .........128,000 ..............35
DCX ...........76,600 ..............24
Toyota .......31,000............... 8
Honda ........15,900 ...............8
Nissan ........25,000............... 8

thank you, those were the exact numbers i was looking for.

what now fanboys?

if you buy a japanese car, you purchased a JAPANESE car, not american.

GOOD.

so why don't you go to japan then if you like it there so much? i sure as hell don't want you living in america.

Isn't America the biggest proponent of free trade and free markets? If anything I'm being more American by buying Japanese cars.

Yeah - It is real american to call up some japanese(or anyone) guy 1/2 a world away that you don't know for something dirt cheap while your neighbor loses his job.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Squisher
It won't give me much joy, but it certainly will be expected when all IT work is done by foreign companies. Don't worry we can all get jobs at McDonald's.


As for foreign manufacturers making cars here, very little of the content in those cars are made here and all the profits of those foreign cars goes immediately offshore.

Company....Employees........Major plants
GM ...........194,000.............. 82
Ford .........128,000 ..............35
DCX ...........76,600 ..............24
Toyota .......31,000............... 8
Honda ........15,900 ...............8
Nissan ........25,000............... 8

Actually most foreign cars that are sold in the US are made in the US. All that you see here is who is effecient with labor and falcilties and who is not.

What good is GM if they are laying off people and closing facilities because they have far too much overhead. Since toyota recently took the #2 spot away from ford, it is probably fairly safe to assume that toyota now makes more cars in the US than ford does. And from what I have been reading toyota offshores less work than the big 3, so might want to rethrink where that money immediantly goes.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

But Delphi also blamed its spinoff agreement with GM for saddling it with high labor costs. Under the agreement, Delphi is required to pay GM wages of $27 an hour to most of its 24,000 UAW-represented workers. That?s double the level of competing suppliers, according to Standard & Poor?s Ratings Services. Delphi also had to pay full wages and benefits to 4,000 laid-off workers in jobs banks, which cost it $400 million each year.

that is taken from LINK

that's $100,000 per laid off job bank worker.

what
the
fsck

It appears the 30k that GM wants to layoff will still get about 75% of base pay....

 

[CheesePoofs]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Squisher
It won't give me much joy, but it certainly will be expected when all IT work is done by foreign companies. Don't worry we can all get jobs at McDonald's.


As for foreign manufacturers making cars here, very little of the content in those cars are made here and all the profits of those foreign cars goes immediately offshore.

Company....Employees........Major plants
GM ...........194,000.............. 82
Ford .........128,000 ..............35
DCX ...........76,600 ..............24
Toyota .......31,000............... 8
Honda ........15,900 ...............8
Nissan ........25,000............... 8

thank you, those were the exact numbers i was looking for.

what now fanboys?

if you buy a japanese car, you purchased a JAPANESE car, not american.

GOOD.

so why don't you go to japan then if you like it there so much? i sure as hell don't want you living in america.

Isn't America the biggest proponent of free trade and free markets? If anything I'm being more American by buying Japanese cars.

Yeah - It is real american to call up some japanese(or anyone) guy 1/2 a world away that you don't know for something dirt cheap while your neighbor loses his job.

Well if American made cars were any good it would be different..... And let me guess, you support Bush who supports free trade, correct?

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Squisher
It won't give me much joy, but it certainly will be expected when all IT work is done by foreign companies. Don't worry we can all get jobs at McDonald's.


As for foreign manufacturers making cars here, very little of the content in those cars are made here and all the profits of those foreign cars goes immediately offshore.

Company....Employees........Major plants
GM ...........194,000.............. 82
Ford .........128,000 ..............35
DCX ...........76,600 ..............24
Toyota .......31,000............... 8
Honda ........15,900 ...............8
Nissan ........25,000............... 8

thank you, those were the exact numbers i was looking for.

what now fanboys?

if you buy a japanese car, you purchased a JAPANESE car, not american.

GOOD.

so why don't you go to japan then if you like it there so much? i sure as hell don't want you living in america.

Isn't America the biggest proponent of free trade and free markets? If anything I'm being more American by buying Japanese cars.

Yeah - It is real american to call up some japanese(or anyone) guy 1/2 a world away that you don't know for something dirt cheap while your neighbor loses his job.

Well if American made cars were any good it would be different..... And let me guess, you support Bush who supports free trade, correct?

American cars are made "good" if you did a little research.

and to your guess - Kerry. Thanks.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
A UAW boycott would be more like it. It's not GMs fault that they have to pay their workers so much money that they can't stay in business. Any company that is forced top ay wages to their employees that are far higher than they should be getting will have trouble staying in business. Good going UAW. Way to force more jobs overseas.

What a bunch of crap. Who agreed to the UAW contract? Who decided to design all sorts of sh!tty SUVs and skip the hybrid market? Who is responsible for the company as a whole? Oh, yeah, those MBA asshats we call executives. And who's fault is it that GM's (and everyone else's) health care costs keep going up?

The guys running Toyota and Honda had enough sense to see a lot of this coming and are doing a lot better, not too mention that in Japan, the taxpayer/worker/consumer foots the bill for healthcare, not the company.

Sure, the UAW could make some concessions, but the bottom line is the GM's management sucks bigtime and the stockholders should sh!tcan every last one of them.

Well I think you should also mention that they have to agree because they can't open a shop there without using union labor that's why all the import shops are down South. However I do think that the quality of the cars is the most important thing and that that is not the union's fault.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: ElFenix
yeah that'll get them to hire americans! :roll:

Exactly...OP, put your thinking cap back on.

I still say we need that shakes head in disbelief emoticon.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
What a bunch of crap. Who agreed to the UAW contract? Who decided to design all sorts of sh!tty SUVs and skip the hybrid market? Who is responsible for the company as a whole? Oh, yeah, those MBA asshats we call executives. And who's fault is it that GM's (and everyone else's) health care costs keep going up?

The guys running Toyota and Honda had enough sense to see a lot of this coming and are doing a lot better, not too mention that in Japan, the taxpayer/worker/consumer foots the bill for healthcare, not the company.

Sure, the UAW could make some concessions, but the bottom line is the GM's management sucks bigtime and the stockholders should sh!tcan every last one of them.

Yea the management sucks, but GM has been forced to agree to those contracts and lets face it, the bad business decisions don't really matter that much when you have 1 working employee for every 2 on a pension and healthcare. GM's healthcare and pension cost per vehicle sold is around $6k, there is no way they can be competative on the world market with costs like that. UAW would have bankrupted GM 20 years ago had they not agreed to those unreasonable oontracts. GM doesn't have the ability to fight the union on these contracts the way the law is written and the way the the UAW acts.

The best thing that will ever happen to GM is bankruptcy because management will get replaced, the UAW contracts and pensions will be voided and re-written by an impartial judge.

 

[desy]

I think the the plant closures and Delphi should be enough for UAW members to start crapping their pants and though I feel for the displaced workers its like gang green and you have to sacrifice the limb.
I don't have a problem so much with the wage these guys get but the perks are unsustainble.

All these OT idiots don't understand how much money a head office generates with engineering, accounting, advertising and on and on.
You don't get the second economy when you don't HAVE the main corporate office in the country. Jap cars are well made, American cars are getting much better, you don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: frankierx
what gm car do you like?

I have a Saturn Ion Redline. My wife has a Ion 2 QC. We're looking to get a GM mini-van to replace the QC.

 

[Looney]

Sucks they're closing the plant up here in Oshawa, Ontario as well. I visited that plant many years ago on a high school trip. We also visited the Honda plant the following week to compare the two plants... and there was a huge difference. The technology was very similar of course, but the Honda plant looked cleaner (GM plant was spotless though)... and ALL the employees wore white. You couldn't tell the difference between an assembly line worker and a supervisor or manager, except by their name tags. It just had a more professional feel to it.

 

GM isn't closing the plant near me in Tonawanda, NY which is a good thing. The lockport Delphi plant is another story.
I can't feel very sorry for people who have had a chance of a lifetime to save incredible amounts of money, but didn't.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: EatSpam
What a bunch of crap. Who agreed to the UAW contract? Who decided to design all sorts of sh!tty SUVs and skip the hybrid market? Who is responsible for the company as a whole? Oh, yeah, those MBA asshats we call executives. And who's fault is it that GM's (and everyone else's) health care costs keep going up?

The guys running Toyota and Honda had enough sense to see a lot of this coming and are doing a lot better, not too mention that in Japan, the taxpayer/worker/consumer foots the bill for healthcare, not the company.

Sure, the UAW could make some concessions, but the bottom line is the GM's management sucks bigtime and the stockholders should sh!tcan every last one of them.

Yea the management sucks, but GM has been forced to agree to those contracts and lets face it, the bad business decisions don't really matter that much when you have 1 working employee for every 2 on a pension and healthcare. GM's healthcare and pension cost per vehicle sold is around $6k, there is no way they can be competative on the world market with costs like that. UAW would have bankrupted GM 20 years ago had they not agreed to those unreasonable oontracts. GM doesn't have the ability to fight the union on these contracts the way the law is written and the way the the UAW acts.

The best thing that will ever happen to GM is bankruptcy because management will get replaced, the UAW contracts and pensions will be voided and re-written by an impartial judge.

they have impartial judges????

all kidding aside i'm not sure even bankruptcy would help GM right now. I think that years of overpaying employees and lack of WANTING to keep up with the best technologies because of their "it's working and people are buying so we arent changing anything" mentality are going to cause very drastic changes to the US vehicle industry VERY SOON.

judges will help rewrite the contracts guaranteed. but both sides will be screwed somehow by the new writing. GM will just be less screwed than before if this happens.

 

Originally posted by: DaWhim
blue collar jobs decrease is a good thing.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

 

[astrosfan90]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Squisher
It won't give me much joy, but it certainly will be expected when all IT work is done by foreign companies. Don't worry we can all get jobs at McDonald's.


As for foreign manufacturers making cars here, very little of the content in those cars are made here and all the profits of those foreign cars goes immediately offshore.

Company....Employees........Major plants
GM ...........194,000.............. 82
Ford .........128,000 ..............35
DCX ...........76,600 ..............24
Toyota .......31,000............... 8
Honda ........15,900 ...............8
Nissan ........25,000............... 8

Actually most foreign cars that are sold in the US are made in the US. All that you see here is who is effecient with labor and falcilties and who is not.

What good is GM if they are laying off people and closing facilities because they have far too much overhead. Since toyota recently took the #2 spot away from ford, it is probably fairly safe to assume that toyota now makes more cars in the US than ford does. And from what I have been reading toyota offshores less work than the big 3, so might want to rethrink where that money immediantly goes.

Care to back your statements up with facts and numbers?

What I see is Japanese companies with a couple of factories in the US that employ a token number of employees so they can perpetuate the ignorant idea that cars made by Toyota are "American".

 

[desy]

Yup
6X the employement of Toyota not to mention the spinoff employment which I heard is about a million this morning on the radio.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Apparently the unions couldn't stop the loss of 30,000 jobs. I think you guys are putting way too much emphasis on unions. They aren't nearly as powerful as they once were.

Tell it to California, where $150,000,000 worth of LIES in Union-sponsored ads swung the special election vote to all No's. Thanks to those lying, powermongering bastards, even *Progressives* voted as if they were ultra Conservatives, and now we're facing a DOUBLING of the California state debt in 2006 with another 50-100 BILLION in borrowing, and more than likely a TAX increase.

We've got the Unions to thank for that. It's funny, too, because the day after the election results were final, Nissan decided to move all its operations OUT of California, taking thousands of jobs with them. I expect plenty of others to follow suit. In fact, I'm scouring Florida for a job near Orlando right now.

Jason

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

all kidding aside i'm not sure even bankruptcy would help GM right now. I think that years of overpaying employees and lack of WANTING to keep up with the best technologies because of their "it's working and people are buying so we arent changing anything" mentality are going to cause very drastic changes to the US vehicle industry VERY SOON.

I wonder sometimes if people just make stuff up because it supports their hatred for GM (or the RIAA, MPAA or whomever they feel like hating).