GM Boycott anyone?

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: middlehead

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
I already boycott them because they make crappy cars I wouldn't buy a GM product if it were the difference between your life and your death, man!

That's not a boycott, that's simply not buying their products. A boycott requires having been a customer and refusing to do so any longer.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I've OWNED GM in the past. In fact, quite by accident, I own a GM right now, only the label says "Daewoo Leganza". Turns out it's GM from end to end. Of course, I didn't find that out until it blew a head gasket at 80,000 miles and I had to disassemble it for repair. Imagine my surprise to find "GM" stamped on every single part I took off the car.

Sad. You think you're getting quality Korean engineering, you get saddled with American JUNK. Oh well. Toyota or Honda for me next time.

Jason

 

[PingSpike]

GM just needs to make cars that people want. And they need to keep doing it for long enough that any bad reputation they got themselves starts to fade. However, thats an uphill battle. Its a lot easier to keep your current customers then it is to replace them with new ones after you burn them.

That buy american thing...yeah, that was a nice idea to hold onto back in the 70s. But I'm on a budget here. I don't have a lot disposable income to throw away buying random trucks to help GM. Tell them to make a good passenger car with good gas mileage, safety features and and a proven reliability record and I'll give it a look. But I'm going to buy products that I need, not just blindly buy the products that they have.

Sh|t. I liked my old cavalier wagon I had...even if half the door locks were broken and the defroster never worked that great. It always started, got good gas mileage and handled well enough. But that was a long time ago. I want more than that now.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Were profitable. They aren't selling well at all anymore. Toyota can't keep the Prius on the lot.

yeah, you have that problem when you're selling at a loss.

anyway, GM has 6 hybrid models either here or on the way.

and they're still GM's most profitable vehicles

Toyota's been making profits on the Prius for 2 years, man, where have you been?

GM's so-called "hybrid" truck is nothing of the sort. It gets a whopping ONE mile per gallon more than it's "non-hybrid" brother. So far, GM's hybrid effort is a tasteless joke, at best.

Jason

Do you even know what the hell you're talking about, please do some research before pulling stuff out of @ss.

here's a link you might enjoy: LINK

here's another: LINK

I didn't pull anything out of my ass you fvcktard. For your info, the GM Sierra, which is the only vehicle other than the Prius I was referring to, isn't a true Hybrid *at all*. For your enjoyment:

First of all, the GMC Sierra Hybrid is not a real hybrid. Its Panasonic lead-acid batteries don?t provide propulsion; the sub-system only powers the Sierra when it?s stationary.

Further onward,

First of all, despite all my best efforts at accelerative restraint, I achieved no more than a 10% improvement over a similarly equipped, ?normal? Sierra. That?s 16.5mpg vs. 15mpg-- not exactly the kind of fuel economy that can change American foreign policy.

Perhaps YOU should do some research before running off at the mouth. It's pretty humorous to see a *GM* fanboy, for chrissakes. I thought only Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony could induce that much drool.

Jason

 

[meltdown75]

Are overseas markets as open to North American competition as North American markets are to overseas competitors? I don't think so.

Easy on the GM boycott. Effectively, it's already being done without a little grassroots movement.

Besides, you don't need to boycott something that's simply not selling.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Were profitable. They aren't selling well at all anymore. Toyota can't keep the Prius on the lot.

yeah, you have that problem when you're selling at a loss.

anyway, GM has 6 hybrid models either here or on the way.

and they're still GM's most profitable vehicles

Toyota's been making profits on the Prius for 2 years, man, where have you been?

GM's so-called "hybrid" truck is nothing of the sort. It gets a whopping ONE mile per gallon more than it's "non-hybrid" brother. So far, GM's hybrid effort is a tasteless joke, at best.

Jason

that whopping 1 mile per gallon saves more fuel than going from 30 to 40 miles per gallon.

for 12000 miles the regular silverado takes 1200 gallon of gas. a car at 30 uses 400. a car at 40 uses 300. a truck at 11 uses 1090. that's 10 more gallons saved by the 'tasteless joke' truck hybrid than the car (or, because it seems you can't do math, 10% better).

Read your own damn post, man! Who's saving more gas? The car at 40 uses 300 gallons to go 12,000 miles, versus the truck at 11, which uses 1,090 gallons of gas. While in terms of *percentages*, yes, the truck is a better improvement than the car, in terms of *Actual* gallons of gas and *Actual* dollars spent, the car *spanks* the truck in a most unequivocal manner.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: tennisflip

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
GM deserves to be boycotted...because they build sh!tty, ugly cars!

Go Toyota!!!

LOL. Toyota should come out with a commericial with the "America, F&$K yeah" song but with America changed to Toyota.

The fanbois in this forum would be humming it for the next 5 years.

Newsflash: The Toyota Camry is an ugly, boring, overpriced vehicle.

True, but the new Honda Civic is freaking *gorgeous*

Jason

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Were profitable. They aren't selling well at all anymore. Toyota can't keep the Prius on the lot.

yeah, you have that problem when you're selling at a loss.

anyway, GM has 6 hybrid models either here or on the way.

and they're still GM's most profitable vehicles

Excellent post

Here's to stopping baseless FUD :beer:

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
So...you want to boycott GM so they'll lose more money and lay off more people?

Well, when you put it that way...

YES

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Squisher
It won't give me much joy, but it certainly will be expected when all IT work is done by foreign companies. Don't worry we can all get jobs at McDonald's.


As for foreign manufacturers making cars here, very little of the content in those cars are made here and all the profits of those foreign cars goes immediately offshore.

Company....Employees........Major plants
GM ...........194,000.............. 82
Ford .........128,000 ..............35
DCX ...........76,600 ..............24
Toyota .......31,000............... 8
Honda ........15,900 ...............8
Nissan ........25,000............... 8

thank you, those were the exact numbers i was looking for.

what now fanboys?

if you buy a japanese car, you purchased a JAPANESE car, not american.

Yes, and I do it *Consciously*, on purpose and with absolutely clear intent. Japanese cars are engineered and built better than American cars, and they are typically more fuel efficient to boot. American cars tend to be mediocre quality, oversized and overpriced.

If America's auto industry is to see a resurgence, GM and others like it need to die, the Unions disbanded, and the NEW American car businesses need to model themselves after the *Japanese* example.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Squisher
It won't give me much joy, but it certainly will be expected when all IT work is done by foreign companies. Don't worry we can all get jobs at McDonald's.


As for foreign manufacturers making cars here, very little of the content in those cars are made here and all the profits of those foreign cars goes immediately offshore.

Company....Employees........Major plants
GM ...........194,000.............. 82
Ford .........128,000 ..............35
DCX ...........76,600 ..............24
Toyota .......31,000............... 8
Honda ........15,900 ...............8
Nissan ........25,000............... 8

thank you, those were the exact numbers i was looking for.

what now fanboys?

if you buy a japanese car, you purchased a JAPANESE car, not american.

GOOD.

so why don't you go to japan then if you like it there so much? i sure as hell don't want you living in america.

Isn't America the biggest proponent of free trade and free markets? If anything I'm being more American by buying Japanese cars.

Yeah - It is real american to call up some japanese(or anyone) guy 1/2 a world away that you don't know for something dirt cheap while your neighbor loses his job.

Yes, as a matter of fact it is. If my neighbor loses his job, that's HIS problem, not mine. You can lay off this disgusting Altruistic garbage at any time, man.

Jason

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Were profitable. They aren't selling well at all anymore. Toyota can't keep the Prius on the lot.

yeah, you have that problem when you're selling at a loss.

anyway, GM has 6 hybrid models either here or on the way.

and they're still GM's most profitable vehicles

Toyota's been making profits on the Prius for 2 years, man, where have you been?

GM's so-called "hybrid" truck is nothing of the sort. It gets a whopping ONE mile per gallon more than it's "non-hybrid" brother. So far, GM's hybrid effort is a tasteless joke, at best.

Jason

Do you even know what the hell you're talking about, please do some research before pulling stuff out of @ss.

here's a link you might enjoy: LINK

here's another: LINK

I didn't pull anything out of my ass you fvcktard. For your info, the GM Sierra, which is the only vehicle other than the Prius I was referring to, isn't a true Hybrid *at all*. For your enjoyment:

First of all, the GMC Sierra Hybrid is not a real hybrid. Its Panasonic lead-acid batteries don?t provide propulsion; the sub-system only powers the Sierra when it?s stationary.

Further onward,

First of all, despite all my best efforts at accelerative restraint, I achieved no more than a 10% improvement over a similarly equipped, ?normal? Sierra. That?s 16.5mpg vs. 15mpg-- not exactly the kind of fuel economy that can change American foreign policy.

Perhaps YOU should do some research before running off at the mouth. It's pretty humorous to see a *GM* fanboy, for chrissakes. I thought only Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony could induce that much drool.

Jason

Dude, you're rediculous, why are you only focusing on the Sierra hybrid, maybe if you actually looked at my links you would see that GM does actually have a good hybrid program, which is all i was trying to point out.

As far as bias is concerned you take the cake, you refuse to see the improvements that American manufacturer made in the past few years. So you're no different from all the other misinformed people on this forum. I, unlike you, do recognize other manufacturers acheivements and don't hold any biased against them, can you say the same?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Fritzo
So...you want to boycott GM so they'll lose more money and lay off more people?

Well, when you put it that way...

YES

Jason

What disturbs me is the number of people like you who want GM to fail. That's just childish and immature, not to mention short-sighted and idiotic. Why would we want our own country to be anything but the dominant automobile producer in the world?

 

[talyn00]

Originally posted by: astrosfan90

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Squisher
It won't give me much joy, but it certainly will be expected when all IT work is done by foreign companies. Don't worry we can all get jobs at McDonald's.


As for foreign manufacturers making cars here, very little of the content in those cars are made here and all the profits of those foreign cars goes immediately offshore.

Company....Employees........Major plants
GM ...........194,000.............. 82
Ford .........128,000 ..............35
DCX ...........76,600 ..............24
Toyota .......31,000............... 8
Honda ........15,900 ...............8
Nissan ........25,000............... 8

Actually most foreign cars that are sold in the US are made in the US. All that you see here is who is effecient with labor and falcilties and who is not.

What good is GM if they are laying off people and closing facilities because they have far too much overhead. Since toyota recently took the #2 spot away from ford, it is probably fairly safe to assume that toyota now makes more cars in the US than ford does. And from what I have been reading toyota offshores less work than the big 3, so might want to rethrink where that money immediantly goes.

Care to back your statements up with facts and numbers?

What I see is Japanese companies with a couple of factories in the US that employ a token number of employees so they can perpetuate the ignorant idea that cars made by Toyota are "American".

I think those stats are useless without actually actually listing production numbers

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
A UAW boycott would be more like it. It's not GMs fault that they have to pay their workers so much money that they can't stay in business. Any company that is forced to pay wages to their employees that are far higher than they should be getting will have trouble staying in business. Good going UAW. Way to force more jobs overseas.

QFT!

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Were profitable. They aren't selling well at all anymore. Toyota can't keep the Prius on the lot.

yeah, you have that problem when you're selling at a loss.

anyway, GM has 6 hybrid models either here or on the way.

and they're still GM's most profitable vehicles

Toyota's been making profits on the Prius for 2 years, man, where have you been?

GM's so-called "hybrid" truck is nothing of the sort. It gets a whopping ONE mile per gallon more than it's "non-hybrid" brother. So far, GM's hybrid effort is a tasteless joke, at best.

Jason

Do you even know what the hell you're talking about, please do some research before pulling stuff out of @ss.

here's a link you might enjoy: LINK

here's another: LINK

I didn't pull anything out of my ass you fvcktard. For your info, the GM Sierra, which is the only vehicle other than the Prius I was referring to, isn't a true Hybrid *at all*. For your enjoyment:

First of all, the GMC Sierra Hybrid is not a real hybrid. Its Panasonic lead-acid batteries don?t provide propulsion; the sub-system only powers the Sierra when it?s stationary.

Further onward,

First of all, despite all my best efforts at accelerative restraint, I achieved no more than a 10% improvement over a similarly equipped, ?normal? Sierra. That?s 16.5mpg vs. 15mpg-- not exactly the kind of fuel economy that can change American foreign policy.

Perhaps YOU should do some research before running off at the mouth. It's pretty humorous to see a *GM* fanboy, for chrissakes. I thought only Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony could induce that much drool.

Jason

Dude, you're rediculous, why are you only focusing on the Sierra hybrid, maybe if you actually looked at my links you would see that GM does actually have a good hybrid program, which is all i was trying to point out.

As far as bias is concerned you take the cake, you refuse to see the improvements that American manufacturer made in the past few years. So you're no different from all the other misinformed people on this forum. I, unlike you, do recognize other manufacturers acheivements and don't hold any biased against them, can you say the same?

So very late, GM decides to get on the hybrid wagon in a severely half-assed way and you're *impressed* by that? I don't see them having improved a *thing*. They're STILL selling huge, oversized gas pigs as their primary source of revenue. They're STILL pounding the ridiculous mantra of "Buy American made!" without providing a good reason to.

I recognize their hybrid lines as a *Tip-toe* in the right direction, but as the example of the Sierra illustrates quite well, it isn't nearly enough. If they want to *really* amaze the world, start churning out some hydrogen powered cars on that very slick "skateboard" platform they've been talking about for the last couple of years, and work some deals with fuel stations across the country to start selling more Hydrogen fuel. Deal with companies who're trying to build Hydrogen refineries (I assume there must be a some, given that California now has 13 hydrogen fuel stations in the state; they've gotta be getting it from somewhere!).

I'd be more than happy to buy GM if they made a solid, innovative, FUEL EFFICIENT car. I will not applaud them for minor modifications to existing pickup trucks just because they slap a "hybrid" sticker on them.

Jason

 

[Ime]

How can I boycott a company I don't do business with, anyway?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Were profitable. They aren't selling well at all anymore. Toyota can't keep the Prius on the lot.

yeah, you have that problem when you're selling at a loss.

anyway, GM has 6 hybrid models either here or on the way.

and they're still GM's most profitable vehicles

Toyota's been making profits on the Prius for 2 years, man, where have you been?

GM's so-called "hybrid" truck is nothing of the sort. It gets a whopping ONE mile per gallon more than it's "non-hybrid" brother. So far, GM's hybrid effort is a tasteless joke, at best.

Jason

Do you even know what the hell you're talking about, please do some research before pulling stuff out of @ss.

here's a link you might enjoy: LINK

here's another: LINK

I didn't pull anything out of my ass you fvcktard. For your info, the GM Sierra, which is the only vehicle other than the Prius I was referring to, isn't a true Hybrid *at all*. For your enjoyment:

First of all, the GMC Sierra Hybrid is not a real hybrid. Its Panasonic lead-acid batteries don?t provide propulsion; the sub-system only powers the Sierra when it?s stationary.

Further onward,

First of all, despite all my best efforts at accelerative restraint, I achieved no more than a 10% improvement over a similarly equipped, ?normal? Sierra. That?s 16.5mpg vs. 15mpg-- not exactly the kind of fuel economy that can change American foreign policy.

Perhaps YOU should do some research before running off at the mouth. It's pretty humorous to see a *GM* fanboy, for chrissakes. I thought only Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony could induce that much drool.

Jason

Dude, you're rediculous, why are you only focusing on the Sierra hybrid, maybe if you actually looked at my links you would see that GM does actually have a good hybrid program, which is all i was trying to point out.

As far as bias is concerned you take the cake, you refuse to see the improvements that American manufacturer made in the past few years. So you're no different from all the other misinformed people on this forum. I, unlike you, do recognize other manufacturers acheivements and don't hold any biased against them, can you say the same?

So very late, GM decides to get on the hybrid wagon in a severely half-assed way and you're *impressed* by that? I don't see them having improved a *thing*. They're STILL selling huge, oversized gas pigs as their primary source of revenue. They're STILL pounding the ridiculous mantra of "Buy American made!" without providing a good reason to.

I recognize their hybrid lines as a *Tip-toe* in the right direction, but as the example of the Sierra illustrates quite well, it isn't nearly enough. If they want to *really* amaze the world, start churning out some hydrogen powered cars on that very slick "skateboard" platform they've been talking about for the last couple of years, and work some deals with fuel stations across the country to start selling more Hydrogen fuel. Deal with companies who're trying to build Hydrogen refineries (I assume there must be a some, given that California now has 13 hydrogen fuel stations in the state; they've gotta be getting it from somewhere!).

I'd be more than happy to buy GM if they made a solid, innovative, FUEL EFFICIENT car. I will not applaud them for minor modifications to existing pickup trucks just because they slap a "hybrid" sticker on them.

Jason

OMG, why do you ignore facts, talk about fanboi.

They have a very respectable Hybrid bus system, that saves 50% in fuel economy, and also just recently started public use of fuel cell technology in Korea: LINK

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Fritzo
So...you want to boycott GM so they'll lose more money and lay off more people?

Well, when you put it that way...

YES

Jason

What disturbs me is the number of people like you who want GM to fail. That's just childish and immature, not to mention short-sighted and idiotic. Why would we want our own country to be anything but the dominant automobile producer in the world?

I'd love it if we were the dominant auto maker in the world, but ONLY if we could do so on the merits of our products. Today, we can't. American cars are third-rate, and they don't DESERVE to be the dominant automotive force in the industry.

If GM wants to turn things around and build INTELLIGENT, INNOVATIVE cars, then great, more power to them. If they want to continue building oversized TURDS that suck down gas as fast as you can funnel it in, then I say let them die. They've earned it.

Jason

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Fritzo
So...you want to boycott GM so they'll lose more money and lay off more people?

Well, when you put it that way...

YES

Jason

What disturbs me is the number of people like you who want GM to fail. That's just childish and immature, not to mention short-sighted and idiotic. Why would we want our own country to be anything but the dominant automobile producer in the world?

I'd love it if we were the dominant auto maker in the world, but ONLY if we could do so on the merits of our products. Today, we can't. American cars are third-rate, and they don't DESERVE to be the dominant automotive force in the industry.

If GM wants to turn things around and build INTELLIGENT, INNOVATIVE cars, then great, more power to them. If they want to continue building oversized TURDS that suck down gas as fast as you can funnel it in, then I say let them die. They've earned it.

Jason

That's why this is a great move in the right direction. With the money they'll save with this move, they should be able to invest a hell of a lot more on R&D then on retirement funds and health care.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Were profitable. They aren't selling well at all anymore. Toyota can't keep the Prius on the lot.

yeah, you have that problem when you're selling at a loss.

anyway, GM has 6 hybrid models either here or on the way.

and they're still GM's most profitable vehicles

Toyota's been making profits on the Prius for 2 years, man, where have you been?

GM's so-called "hybrid" truck is nothing of the sort. It gets a whopping ONE mile per gallon more than it's "non-hybrid" brother. So far, GM's hybrid effort is a tasteless joke, at best.

Jason

Do you even know what the hell you're talking about, please do some research before pulling stuff out of @ss.

here's a link you might enjoy: LINK

here's another: LINK

I didn't pull anything out of my ass you fvcktard. For your info, the GM Sierra, which is the only vehicle other than the Prius I was referring to, isn't a true Hybrid *at all*. For your enjoyment:

First of all, the GMC Sierra Hybrid is not a real hybrid. Its Panasonic lead-acid batteries don?t provide propulsion; the sub-system only powers the Sierra when it?s stationary.

Further onward,

First of all, despite all my best efforts at accelerative restraint, I achieved no more than a 10% improvement over a similarly equipped, ?normal? Sierra. That?s 16.5mpg vs. 15mpg-- not exactly the kind of fuel economy that can change American foreign policy.

Perhaps YOU should do some research before running off at the mouth. It's pretty humorous to see a *GM* fanboy, for chrissakes. I thought only Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony could induce that much drool.

Jason

Dude, you're rediculous, why are you only focusing on the Sierra hybrid, maybe if you actually looked at my links you would see that GM does actually have a good hybrid program, which is all i was trying to point out.

As far as bias is concerned you take the cake, you refuse to see the improvements that American manufacturer made in the past few years. So you're no different from all the other misinformed people on this forum. I, unlike you, do recognize other manufacturers acheivements and don't hold any biased against them, can you say the same?

So very late, GM decides to get on the hybrid wagon in a severely half-assed way and you're *impressed* by that? I don't see them having improved a *thing*. They're STILL selling huge, oversized gas pigs as their primary source of revenue. They're STILL pounding the ridiculous mantra of "Buy American made!" without providing a good reason to.

I recognize their hybrid lines as a *Tip-toe* in the right direction, but as the example of the Sierra illustrates quite well, it isn't nearly enough. If they want to *really* amaze the world, start churning out some hydrogen powered cars on that very slick "skateboard" platform they've been talking about for the last couple of years, and work some deals with fuel stations across the country to start selling more Hydrogen fuel. Deal with companies who're trying to build Hydrogen refineries (I assume there must be a some, given that California now has 13 hydrogen fuel stations in the state; they've gotta be getting it from somewhere!).

I'd be more than happy to buy GM if they made a solid, innovative, FUEL EFFICIENT car. I will not applaud them for minor modifications to existing pickup trucks just because they slap a "hybrid" sticker on them.

Jason

OMG, why do you ignore facts, talk about fanboi.

They have a very respectable Hybrid bus system, that saves 50% in fuel economy, and also just recently started public use of fuel cell technology in Korea: LINK

Listen, turd-bait, you can shove your fanboi comments up your ass. Given that you keep shoveling GM propaganda into every post, I think it's evident enough that YOU are the fanboi here.

GM's hydrogen program--from FIVE DAYS AGO--is a good step in the right direction. When we start seeing mass production and sale of those vehicles, THEN I'll be impressed. GM's so far done a lot of POSTURING on these new techs, but they've shown very little concrete product. The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding. Now let's see them turn it around and I'll gladly give them the props they earn--IF they do it.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Fritzo
So...you want to boycott GM so they'll lose more money and lay off more people?

Well, when you put it that way...

YES

Jason

What disturbs me is the number of people like you who want GM to fail. That's just childish and immature, not to mention short-sighted and idiotic. Why would we want our own country to be anything but the dominant automobile producer in the world?

I'd love it if we were the dominant auto maker in the world, but ONLY if we could do so on the merits of our products. Today, we can't. American cars are third-rate, and they don't DESERVE to be the dominant automotive force in the industry.

If GM wants to turn things around and build INTELLIGENT, INNOVATIVE cars, then great, more power to them. If they want to continue building oversized TURDS that suck down gas as fast as you can funnel it in, then I say let them die. They've earned it.

Jason

That's why this is a great move in the right direction. With the money they'll save with this move, they should be able to invest a hell of a lot more on R&D then on retirement funds and health care.

Well, I hope that turns out to be true, I really do. As I said, I'd LOVE it if the American car companies could be #1, but only if they can do it on the basis of making good, innovative, efficient cars. I will NOT help to make them #1 on the basis of some misguided "buy American all the time" philosophy. Americans as much as anyone else NEED the threat of failure and loss to the competition to keep themselves on their game. As it stands now, they continue to make the same stupid mistakes they did in the 70's, which is what allowed the Japanese car companies to take over in the first place. Their refusal to change quickly with the market and their stubborn insistence on large, inefficient, stupid vehicles is precisely what's killing them. If they can't learn from it this time, they deserve what they get.

Jason

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix
that whopping 1 mile per gallon saves more fuel than going from 30 to 40 miles per gallon.

for 12000 miles the regular silverado takes 1200 gallon of gas. a car at 30 uses 400. a car at 40 uses 300. a truck at 11 uses 1090. that's 10 more gallons saved by the 'tasteless joke' truck hybrid than the car (or, because it seems you can't do math, 10% better).

Read your own damn post, man! Who's saving more gas? The car at 40 uses 300 gallons to go 12,000 miles, versus the truck at 11, which uses 1,090 gallons of gas. While in terms of *percentages*, yes, the truck is a better improvement than the car, in terms of *Actual* gallons of gas and *Actual* dollars spent, the car *spanks* the truck in a most unequivocal manner.

Jason

we're comparing the effects of hybridization, not the whole damn vehicle. in terms of percentages, actual fuel saved and actual fuel dollars saved the truck going from 10 to 11 mpg is better than the car going from 30 to 40. obviously trucks aren't fuel efficient vehicles on the whole, but that isn't what is being compared. you said the hybrid system was a joke, i proved that the gm's joke was a better addition to a truck than a toyota's system is to a car.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Ya know what I got to say: They're both wrong, the UAW and GM, but the UAW def. is being awfully stupid. I'm from Flint, MI, and yes, we got fvcked by GM, but only because the UAW made us get fvcked. The unions were helpful back in the day, but they are waaaaay too greedy right now. Cmon, $24-$31 to put bolts on cars? WTF mates.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix
that whopping 1 mile per gallon saves more fuel than going from 30 to 40 miles per gallon.

for 12000 miles the regular silverado takes 1200 gallon of gas. a car at 30 uses 400. a car at 40 uses 300. a truck at 11 uses 1090. that's 10 more gallons saved by the 'tasteless joke' truck hybrid than the car (or, because it seems you can't do math, 10% better).

Read your own damn post, man! Who's saving more gas? The car at 40 uses 300 gallons to go 12,000 miles, versus the truck at 11, which uses 1,090 gallons of gas. While in terms of *percentages*, yes, the truck is a better improvement than the car, in terms of *Actual* gallons of gas and *Actual* dollars spent, the car *spanks* the truck in a most unequivocal manner.

Jason

we're comparing the effects of hybridization, not the whole damn vehicle. in terms of percentages, actual fuel saved and actual fuel dollars saved the truck going from 10 to 11 mpg is better than the car going from 30 to 40. obviously trucks aren't fuel efficient vehicles on the whole, but that isn't what is being compared. you said the hybrid system was a joke, i proved that the gm's joke was a better addition to a truck than a toyota's system is to a car.

You proved *nothing* of the sort. Yes, as *percentages* go a 10MPG truck does benefit more than a 30MPG car, but which cars, specifically, are these? They're made up examples, pure and simple. Bottom line: The guy with the Hybrid CAR will spend FAR less on fuel than the guy with the Hybrid truck, *period*.

Jason

 

[GamerExpress]

You know what is really funny...and forgive me if before mentioned, I didn't read the whole post. The fact is that no matter if you buy Honda, Toyata, or Nissan (who is now expanding an assembly plant in Tenn.) All those manufacturers are in the U.S. so you are buying a car manufactured in the U.S. anyway.

The problem with the United Auto Workers is that years ago when the Japanese companies opened plants in the U.S., the UAW took it for granted that those companies would succeed to the level they are now. The UAW is now paying the price for never thinking of the success of these companies.