GM Boycott anyone?

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: EatSpam
What a bunch of crap. Who agreed to the UAW contract? Who decided to design all sorts of sh!tty SUVs and skip the hybrid market? Who is responsible for the company as a whole? Oh, yeah, those MBA asshats we call executives. And who's fault is it that GM's (and everyone else's) health care costs keep going up?

The guys running Toyota and Honda had enough sense to see a lot of this coming and are doing a lot better, not too mention that in Japan, the taxpayer/worker/consumer foots the bill for healthcare, not the company.

Sure, the UAW could make some concessions, but the bottom line is the GM's management sucks bigtime and the stockholders should sh!tcan every last one of them.

Yea the management sucks, but GM has been forced to agree to those contracts and lets face it, the bad business decisions don't really matter that much when you have 1 working employee for every 2 on a pension and healthcare. GM's healthcare and pension cost per vehicle sold is around $6k, there is no way they can be competative on the world market with costs like that. UAW would have bankrupted GM 20 years ago had they not agreed to those unreasonable oontracts. GM doesn't have the ability to fight the union on these contracts the way the law is written and the way the the UAW acts.

The best thing that will ever happen to GM is bankruptcy because management will get replaced, the UAW contracts and pensions will be voided and re-written by an impartial judge.

they have impartial judges????

all kidding aside i'm not sure even bankruptcy would help GM right now. I think that years of overpaying employees and lack of WANTING to keep up with the best technologies because of their "it's working and people are buying so we arent changing anything" mentality are going to cause very drastic changes to the US vehicle industry VERY SOON.

judges will help rewrite the contracts guaranteed. but both sides will be screwed somehow by the new writing. GM will just be less screwed than before if this happens.

Both sides will be screwed if GM goes down the tubes, because the supporting money won't be around.

Cars today look ancient when you compare modern car technology with what I want to bring to the market. (Oh, by the way, I spend about 100 hours a week between doing university research in heat transfer, doing literary research in structure analysis, and inventing dozens of automotive technologies.) I want to be the next Thomas Edison, only for transportation instead of electricity.

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/ap_on_bi_ge/gm

GM is cutting all kinds of American jobs. It's worse than the Flint, Mich. layoffs of years ago.

Four years ago, I wanted a GM car badly. Two years and three months ago, I bought one. Last year, I wanted to work for GM as an engineer. Since then. their recent decisions, including but not limited to the cutting of the Zeta architecture (the Firebird/Camaro replacement) and the excessive and shameless rebadging of vehicles in their whole line (more so than any other company. most recently: Solstice/SKY/Opel GT; ION/Cobalt) I think I want to boycott GM vehicles (unless I get a free one), and I wonder if others feel the same.

You can thank the large labor unions for the cuts. Paying someone $17.50 to push a broom or someone $21.75 to push a "start" button on a pre-programmed CNC machine. Both jobs a kid out of high school could do with no education. I've seen the union/company abuse of wages first hand and they can be directed back to higher consumer costs and high costs to the companies to keep production facilities open. Same reason companies shut up shop and move to lower paying countries without unions.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: DaWhim
blue collar jobs decrease is a good thing.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

While I can agree that it would be nice if Americans could get more education and not resort to blue-collar jobs, any sociologist will tell you that povery is a necessary evil in a pluralistic economy. You can't have people who are rich without having people who are poor. If everyone is rich, then nobody will feel rich, because "rich" is a relative thing, and without this feeling, a greedy capitalist has no goal to seek.

Please understand that workers are people. They bleed the very same color as you or I. When they lose their jobs -- their only source of income to feed their families and heat their homes -- we as humans should empathize.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
A UAW boycott would be more like it. It's not GMs fault that they have to pay their workers so much money that they can't stay in business. Any company that is forced top ay wages to their employees that are far higher than they should be getting will have trouble staying in business. Good going UAW. Way to force more jobs overseas.

:thumbsup:

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: kevinthenerdGM Boycott anyone?

Hell Yeah!

Oh wait, a boycott makes no sense you freaking idiot.

Boycotting is the only power we have as consumers. It's old-school and almost populist in nature, but such socialist measures are all we have to stop crappy companies who spend too much money on marketing and overly draw from historical success.

You pro union fools are as stupid as the unions, but then that would make sense. A boycott? So you think a boycott can make GM not close plants? Please explain the philosophy and the logistics. You want to hurt GM's bottom line hoping they will see your way? Besides crappy vehicles the UAW is GM's biggest problem, the numbers don't lie. GM has to reduce costs, PERIOD. That is their only hope. Either the UAW get's their act together or they are in bigger trouble than they think. GM is posturing themselves for bankruptcy protection if need be and if that happens the UAW is done, kaput, extinct so go ahead and boycott and speed up gravity a little. :roll:

I am a union employee (and was once a GM employee), but I can also see problems that a union workforce can create.

Do I think this has to be the end of the union? No, but the fact of the matter is that changes are needed. Classifications, wages, and attendance are some of their biggest problems.

GM's biggest problem is that too many perceive their cars to be crappy when in fact they have made great strides in closing the gap in quality and design.
If GM had a 40% market share like they had not too long ago all their money problems would go away. Their share is now in the low twenties and falling.

It is time for the unions and management to reinvent themselves if they have any hope of making a comeback.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Squisher

I am a union employee (and was once a GM employee), but I can also see problems that a union workforce can create.

Do I think this has to be the end of the union? No, but the fact of the matter is that changes are needed. Classifications, wages, and attendance are some of their biggest problems.

GM's biggest problem is that too many perceive their cars to be crappy when in fact they have made great strides in closing the gap in quality and design.
If GM had a 40% market share like they had not too long ago all their money problems would go away. Their share is now in the low twenties and falling.

It is time for the unions and management to reinvent themselves if they have any hope of making a comeback.

What GM has failed to realize over the last 3 decades is that perception is 99.9% truth from a customers point of view. The writing was on the wall about quality in 1990 and although GM's head admitted they were not up to par they simply decided not to do much about it and they have continued to chase potential customers to their competitors. GM's quality overall is still questionable but their styling is not....it is ABYSSMAL. GM's management and engineering department has chased customers away which has now exposed the stranglehold the UAW has on GM and it's ultimate profitability. No one working for GM is without fault for the companies current debacle.

 

[Wheezer]

blame crappy American education for that.

DING! DING! we have a winnar.

while our educational system from k thru college senior debates whether or not God should be in the classroom, or if Spanish should be forced onto children, our college age kids are worried about how many shots they can do or how many boobs they'll see on spring break immigrant children are coming to our country working hard, getting a good education taking it back home and helping companies in thier own countries become milti-billion corporations, (China is now 3rd in the auto industry) or they are attending thier own universities and are being driven by teachers and parents to do the absolute best they can so they can come here and be more prosperous than those that were born here. The UAW and consumers have no one to blame but themselves.

You don't want to get stuck as a cashier or greeter at Wal-Mart? Prove you deserve better, educate yourself so that you can one day RUN Wal-Mart, 'cause if you dont someone else will.

 

[tcsenter]

GM is cutting all kinds of American jobs. It's worse than the Flint, Mich. layoffs of years ago.

Flint alone lost more than the 30,000 jobs GM has planned to cut throughout all of North America. If those 30,000 are among workforces as obscenely unproductive (or intoxicated) as Flint's, good riddance.

GM's quality overall is still questionable but their styling is not....it is ABYSSMAL. GM's management and engineering department has chased customers away which has now exposed the stranglehold the UAW has on GM and it's ultimate profitability. No one working for GM is without fault for the companies current debacle.

It wasn't as though GM didn't put a lot of time, money, and care into on-going customer surveys and focus groups, both corporate efforts and contracted firms. The autos GM has been building were the autos its bread and butter customers said they wanted.

The biggest problem for GM is that it CAN'T compete with imports on price unless it nickel and dimes every last component and subsystem in its designs. Can GM build a full line of vehicles that are equal to or superior to Honda and Toyota? Absolutely, but at twice the cost, thanks to the UAW.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

blame crappy American education for that.

DING! DING! we have a winnar.

while our educational system from k thru college senior debates whether or not God should be in the classroom, or if Spanish should be forced onto children, our college age kids are worried about how many shots they can do or how many boobs they'll see on spring break immigrant children are coming to our country working hard, getting a good education taking it back home and helping companies in thier own countries become milti-billion corporations, (China is now 3rd in the auto industry) or they are attending thier own universities and are being driven by teachers and parents to do the absolute best they can so they can come here and be more prosperous than those that were born here. The UAW and consumers have no one to blame but themselves.

You don't want to get stuck as a cashier or greeter at Wal-Mart? Prove you deserve better, educate yourself so that you can one day RUN Wal-Mart, 'cause if you dont someone else will.

China is 3rd in the auto industry after who?

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: DaWhim
blue collar jobs decrease is a good thing.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

While I can agree that it would be nice if Americans could get more education and not resort to blue-collar jobs, any sociologist will tell you that povery is a necessary evil in a pluralistic economy. You can't have people who are rich without having people who are poor. If everyone is rich, then nobody will feel rich, because "rich" is a relative thing, and without this feeling, a greedy capitalist has no goal to seek.

Please understand that workers are people. They bleed the very same color as you or I. When they lose their jobs -- their only source of income to feed their families and heat their homes -- we as humans should empathize.

The progression of economies is from Agricultural to Manufacturing to Service Based and the U.S. is the largest exporter of services in the world. We moved on from being a manufacturing economy back in the seventies or early eighties. The future in the US is converting those blue collar employees into white collar employees through education. Sure we need to keep a certain amount of manufacturing here but the general direction is reduce domestic manufacturing except for defense and cutting edge manufacturing.

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: DaWhim
blue collar jobs decrease is a good thing.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

While I can agree that it would be nice if Americans could get more education and not resort to blue-collar jobs, any sociologist will tell you that povery is a necessary evil in a pluralistic economy. You can't have people who are rich without having people who are poor. If everyone is rich, then nobody will feel rich, because "rich" is a relative thing, and without this feeling, a greedy capitalist has no goal to seek.

Please understand that workers are people. They bleed the very same color as you or I. When they lose their jobs -- their only source of income to feed their families and heat their homes -- we as humans should empathize.

The progression of economies is from Agricultural to Manufacturing to Service Based and the U.S. is the largest exporter of services in the world. We moved on from being a manufacturing economy back in the seventies or early eighties. The future in the US is converting those blue collar employees into white collar employees through education. Sure we need to keep a certain amount of manufacturing here but the general direction is reduce domestic manufacturing except for defense and cutting edge manufacturing.

glad that someone can see my point. also, service jobs are harder to be outsourced.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: DaWhim
blue collar jobs decrease is a good thing.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

While I can agree that it would be nice if Americans could get more education and not resort to blue-collar jobs, any sociologist will tell you that povery is a necessary evil in a pluralistic economy. You can't have people who are rich without having people who are poor. If everyone is rich, then nobody will feel rich, because "rich" is a relative thing, and without this feeling, a greedy capitalist has no goal to seek.

Please understand that workers are people. They bleed the very same color as you or I. When they lose their jobs -- their only source of income to feed their families and heat their homes -- we as humans should empathize.

The progression of economies is from Agricultural to Manufacturing to Service Based and the U.S. is the largest exporter of services in the world. We moved on from being a manufacturing economy back in the seventies or early eighties. The future in the US is converting those blue collar employees into white collar employees through education. Sure we need to keep a certain amount of manufacturing here but the general direction is reduce domestic manufacturing except for defense and cutting edge manufacturing.

glad that someone can see my point. also, service jobs are harder to be outsourced.

How can a cashier's job be outsourced?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: middlehead

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
I already boycott them because they make crappy cars I wouldn't buy a GM product if it were the difference between your life and your death, man!

That's not a boycott, that's simply not buying their products. A boycott requires having been a customer and refusing to do so any longer.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I've OWNED GM in the past. In fact, quite by accident, I own a GM right now, only the label says "Daewoo Leganza". Turns out it's GM from end to end. Of course, I didn't find that out until it blew a head gasket at 80,000 miles and I had to disassemble it for repair. Imagine my surprise to find "GM" stamped on every single part I took off the car.

Sad. You think you're getting quality Korean engineering, you get saddled with American JUNK. Oh well. Toyota or Honda for me next time.

Jason

lol you were expecting quality from daewoo?

 

[The Linuxator]

More Honda please :beer: !!!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: ElFenix
that whopping 1 mile per gallon saves more fuel than going from 30 to 40 miles per gallon.

for 12000 miles the regular silverado takes 1200 gallon of gas. a car at 30 uses 400. a car at 40 uses 300. a truck at 11 uses 1090. that's 10 more gallons saved by the 'tasteless joke' truck hybrid than the car (or, because it seems you can't do math, 10% better).

Read your own damn post, man! Who's saving more gas? The car at 40 uses 300 gallons to go 12,000 miles, versus the truck at 11, which uses 1,090 gallons of gas. While in terms of *percentages*, yes, the truck is a better improvement than the car, in terms of *Actual* gallons of gas and *Actual* dollars spent, the car *spanks* the truck in a most unequivocal manner.

Jason

we're comparing the effects of hybridization, not the whole damn vehicle. in terms of percentages, actual fuel saved and actual fuel dollars saved the truck going from 10 to 11 mpg is better than the car going from 30 to 40. obviously trucks aren't fuel efficient vehicles on the whole, but that isn't what is being compared. you said the hybrid system was a joke, i proved that the gm's joke was a better addition to a truck than a toyota's system is to a car.

You proved *nothing* of the sort. Yes, as *percentages* go a 10MPG truck does benefit more than a 30MPG car, but which cars, specifically, are these? They're made up examples, pure and simple. Bottom line: The guy with the Hybrid CAR will spend FAR less on fuel than the guy with the Hybrid truck, *period*.

Jason

but you're comparing apples to oranges.

the guy with the hybrid truck, in comparison to the guy with the normal truck, saves more money than the guy with the hybrid civic in comparison to the guy with the normal civic.

in fact, the comparison should be even more in the truck's favor because the hybrid civic gets no where near the mileage the EPA test gives. actual savings on it are more like 5 mpg.

you should really quit with the strawman arguments.

 

[sandorski]

How do you Boycott a company that can't find anyone to buy their Products to begin with?

 

[imported_Bassmaster]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: ondarkness

Originally posted by: Scribe
I have been boycotting American cars for years.

Buy Honda, you are STILL buying American. Most people don't realize that

explain

This is all from memory and might be totally off.
Honda has a factory in Ohio and maybe another elsewhere.
Hundyai has a factory in Alabama.
Toyota has a factory in Kentucky.
Mitsubishi has a factory in Illinois.
Nissan has a factory in Tennesee.
BMW has a factory in South Carolina.
Subaru has a factory in Indiana.

Not all Japanese cars sold here are made here, but many are.

Yep, I live in Battle Creek MI and work for one of about 5 companies in this city that make parts for either Honda and Toyota. Where I work at, we make the gears and differentials for Honda in Ohio.

 

[MikeMike]

DragonMasterAlex.

ive had enough of your bullshit, i dont give a flying ****** what the hell you think but lets stop internet FUD right now.

now note, i am comparing Toyota, Honda, GM, and Hyundai, no other manuf's. also, no hybrids.

Fuel Economy

Compact Cars:
1.Civic Estimates: 30 mpg / 40 mpg
2.Corolla Estimates: 30 mpg / 38 mpg
3.Accent Estimates: 26 mpg / 35 mpg
4.Cobalt Estimates: 24 mpg / 32 mpg

Midsize:
1. Malibu Automatic: : 22 mpg / 32 mpg
2. G6 Estimates: 21 mpg / 29 mpg
3. Impala Estimates: 21 mpg / 31 mpg
4. Estimates: 20 mpg / 30 mpg
5. Accord Estimates: 20 mpg / 29 mpg
6. Camry Estimates: 20 mpg / 28 mpg

(o wait, the Impala is a full size sedan, my bad for including it)


get my drift??? GM's compact cars are becoming competitive, their midsize and full size vehicles have always had top EPA mpg of any vehicle (or is that because GM pays the EPA off), dont forget typically they have larger engines, are pushrod (WTF?) and produce more HP (HOW THE HELL!)

then we go to SUV's which i could include the forthcoming GM Tahoe, Escalade, Envoy but you would call that unfair as they arent available currently.

now, go supporting your internet lies lets see some facts to counter act this.

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: DaWhim
blue collar jobs decrease is a good thing.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

While I can agree that it would be nice if Americans could get more education and not resort to blue-collar jobs, any sociologist will tell you that povery is a necessary evil in a pluralistic economy. You can't have people who are rich without having people who are poor. If everyone is rich, then nobody will feel rich, because "rich" is a relative thing, and without this feeling, a greedy capitalist has no goal to seek.

Please understand that workers are people. They bleed the very same color as you or I. When they lose their jobs -- their only source of income to feed their families and heat their homes -- we as humans should empathize.

The progression of economies is from Agricultural to Manufacturing to Service Based and the U.S. is the largest exporter of services in the world. We moved on from being a manufacturing economy back in the seventies or early eighties. The future in the US is converting those blue collar employees into white collar employees through education. Sure we need to keep a certain amount of manufacturing here but the general direction is reduce domestic manufacturing except for defense and cutting edge manufacturing.

glad that someone can see my point. also, service jobs are harder to be outsourced.

How can a cashier's job be outsourced?

already happened. I guess you didn't realized it? the retailer outsourced it to you and I, the consumer. take a look at those self-check out in your grocery store or home depot. more example will be ikea, yes, you get to assemble your own furnitures. that's just a form of oursourcing.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sandorski
How do you Boycott a company that can't find anyone to buy their Products to begin with?

GM sells more cars than any other auto manufacturer in the world. Plenty of people buy their products "to begin with." It must be an amazing thing to be an idiot fanboi :roll:

Speaking of internet liars, isn't it funny how the domestic-haters are usually of the leftist persuasion? Considering the GM pays some of the highest wages and benefits in the world, higher than any other auto manufacturer, and has more union employees, one really has to wonder these leftists justify their hate. Oh yes, it's the sheeple double-thinking again. "2 legs good, 4 legs bad." When Nike pays employees slave wages, they are evil. But when Toyota does it, it's all good. When GM pays wages and benefits so high it prices them out of the market, they are evil. When Toyota pays less, it's all good. And when Toyota stuffs an expensive and environmentally-toxic (the batteries) gas-electric hybrid system into a bargain-basement economy car that gets virtually no discernable increase in gas mileage over the gas-only model but they sell it for twice as much, they're heroes. :roll:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: DaWhim
blue collar jobs decrease is a good thing.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

While I can agree that it would be nice if Americans could get more education and not resort to blue-collar jobs, any sociologist will tell you that povery is a necessary evil in a pluralistic economy. You can't have people who are rich without having people who are poor. If everyone is rich, then nobody will feel rich, because "rich" is a relative thing, and without this feeling, a greedy capitalist has no goal to seek.

Please understand that workers are people. They bleed the very same color as you or I. When they lose their jobs -- their only source of income to feed their families and heat their homes -- we as humans should empathize.

The progression of economies is from Agricultural to Manufacturing to Service Based and the U.S. is the largest exporter of services in the world. We moved on from being a manufacturing economy back in the seventies or early eighties. The future in the US is converting those blue collar employees into white collar employees through education. Sure we need to keep a certain amount of manufacturing here but the general direction is reduce domestic manufacturing except for defense and cutting edge manufacturing.

glad that someone can see my point. also, service jobs are harder to be outsourced.

How can a cashier's job be outsourced?

already happened. I guess you didn't realized it? the retailer outsourced it to you and I, the consumer. take a look at those self-check out in your grocery store or home depot. more example will be ikea, yes, you get to assemble your own furnitures. that's just a form of oursourcing.

No, it is not. This is just ridiculous.

First, cashiers are still required to monitor the self-check out process. True, less cashiers are required, but for every cashier lost a higher-paying technology job was gained in the design and manufacture of the self-check out machine itself (or did you not even notice those?). And NCR, Diebold, and IBM are still American companies. This is value-added to the American economy, not lost.

Second, your Ikea comparison is just idiotic. That's not outsourcing, that's DIY, a market that has always existed.

The whiny slave mentality revealed in some of these posts is just sad. Some of you people would have protested the advent of the automobile because of the loss of jobs in the livery stable and buggy-whip manufacturing businesses.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
How do you Boycott a company that can't find anyone to buy their Products to begin with?

GM sells more cars than any other auto manufacturer in the world. Plenty of people buy their products "to begin with." It must be an amazing thing to be an idiot fanboi :roll:

Speaking of internet liars, isn't it funny how the domestic-haters are usually of the leftist persuasion? Considering the GM pays some of the highest wages and benefits in the world, higher than any other auto manufacturer, and has more union employees, one really has to wonder these leftists justify their hate. Oh yes, it's the sheeple double-thinking again. "2 legs good, 4 legs bad." When Nike pays employees slave wages, they are evil. But when Toyota does it, it's all good. When GM pays wages and benefits so high it prices them out of the market, they are evil. When Toyota pays less, it's all good. And when Toyota stuffs an expensive and environmentally-toxic (the batteries) gas-electric hybrid system into a bargain-basement economy car that gets virtually no discernable increase in gas mileage over the gas-only model but they sell it for twice as much, they're heroes. :roll:

Chill dude. I was joking.

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: Vic
No, it is not. This is just ridiculous.

First, cashiers are still required to monitor the self-check out process. True, less cashiers are required, but for every cashier lost a higher-paying technology job was gained in the design and manufacture of the self-check out machine itself (or did you not even notice those?). And NCR, Diebold, and IBM are still American companies. This is value-added to the American economy, not lost.

Second, your Ikea comparison is just idiotic. That's not outsourcing, that's DIY, a market that has always existed.

The whiny slave mentality revealed in some of these posts is just sad. Some of you people would have protested the advent of the automobile because of the loss of jobs in the livery stable and buggy-whip manufacturing businesses.

first of all, WSJ considers that's a form of outsourcing of labor from retailer to consumer. ikea comparison was the example I remembered reading that article long time ago. Ikea makes the furnitures ready to assemble, not DIY. if you are thinking about DIY, try home depot.

well, you are going out of the originally question that was asked. it should be how service jobs can be outsourced. cashier job was a simple how it can be outsourced. if you think outsoucing is limited to country to country, that's your problem.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
How do you Boycott a company that can't find anyone to buy their Products to begin with?

GM sells more cars than any other auto manufacturer in the world. Plenty of people buy their products "to begin with." It must be an amazing thing to be an idiot fanboi :roll:

Speaking of internet liars, isn't it funny how the domestic-haters are usually of the leftist persuasion? Considering the GM pays some of the highest wages and benefits in the world, higher than any other auto manufacturer, and has more union employees, one really has to wonder these leftists justify their hate. Oh yes, it's the sheeple double-thinking again. "2 legs good, 4 legs bad." When Nike pays employees slave wages, they are evil. But when Toyota does it, it's all good. When GM pays wages and benefits so high it prices them out of the market, they are evil. When Toyota pays less, it's all good. And when Toyota stuffs an expensive and environmentally-toxic (the batteries) gas-electric hybrid system into a bargain-basement economy car that gets virtually no discernable increase in gas mileage over the gas-only model but they sell it for twice as much, they're heroes. :roll:

The wage model between Toyota and its supply chain is not markedly different from the Big 3's own supplier model. Toyota's own hourly wages are roughly the same as the wages paid to Big 3 assembly workers.

source

stop smoking cock

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
A UAW boycott would be more like it. It's not GMs fault that they have to pay their workers so much money that they can't stay in business. Any company that is forced top ay wages to their employees that are far higher than they should be getting will have trouble staying in business. Good going UAW. Way to force more jobs overseas.

What a bunch of crap. Who agreed to the UAW contract? Who decided to design all sorts of sh!tty SUVs and skip the hybrid market? Who is responsible for the company as a whole? Oh, yeah, those MBA asshats we call executives. And who's fault is it that GM's (and everyone else's) health care costs keep going up?

The guys running Toyota and Honda had enough sense to see a lot of this coming and are doing a lot better, not too mention that in Japan, the taxpayer/worker/consumer foots the bill for healthcare, not the company.

Sure, the UAW could make some concessions, but the bottom line is the GM's management sucks bigtime and the stockholders should sh!tcan every last one of them.

A major reason why the Japaneese makers are so profitable is because they do not pay for health care. Healthcare costs GM about $1000 per car/truck they build. Japaneese companies can circumvent this because the goverment takes care of the health expences for all citizens of Japan. Toyota, Nissan, and Honda all make on average more than $1,600 profit on each car they build. Nissan Makes more than anyother at $2,000 (and more sometimes0 per car built.