Geforce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD PART2

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: carage

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i think the mods should just end this thread now, they ended the last two......(why start a third?) unless software can re-arrange transistors which im pretty sure it cant, nothing is going to happen. this thread can last a month or two, you're all still gonna be here to whine and dine in this thread bout it not working and nvidia cant do anything about it.

surely the gaming performance of the NV40 alone is worth the price paid for it. how many people do you know that actually own one (not counting forums unless u are good buddies)

in my uni computer society......theres a fair few of us. me and one of the founders are the only people with cards of this calibre, i have a 6800GT he has a X800XT PE. thats a whole 2 people. most are doin just fine with FX5600's, 9600pro's, TI4200's etc and we are known as the guys with the beastly computers....that for me is worth the £305 spent. KICK ASS PERFORMANCE AND BRAGGING RIGHTS...


[/THREAD]

In other words, since a software solution is not feasible anyway, we should just let nVidia slip by with this like this never happened because the majority of the users aren't affected in anyway and probably couldn't careless. Is this what you mean?
Well, I happen to feel affected and by this issue and I do care, more particularly dissapointed by nVidia's response (or lack of response). Kick ass performance and bragging rights doesn't mean a thing when it comes to something the hardware should support but didn't.

no i dont mean that... i too would like the PVP to work, i have a use for it and yes it miffed about the whole situation, but in reality bitching about it in a thread isnt going to get us any closer to a working PVP. all we need to know has been discussed in depth in the original thread and i dont think we can progress any further.

im willing to bet that in 2 months the PVP is still as weak as it is now. theres simply nothing we can do about it, just have to take it on the chin as one of those crap things that happen in life and just get on with it. i know for a fact i'vegot more chance of going ATi next time because of the deceit.

we cant do jack about the situation now, and what would hurt nvidia most instead would be for it to lose its high end customers to ATi (even though most of their income is by the low end)

You are one of the more rational posters, and I wouldnt even go as far to call it deceit.

They made a MISTAKE. I truley do not believe Nvidia intentionally sent out the first batch of 6800s knowing this hardware would not work.

I think they needed to finish the drivers to enable it, then were liek "oh shit, we got this problem or that problem".. so they decided to be quiet about it to not ruin sales. Thats about as deceitful as the situation gets.

But as far as a blatant attempt by Nvidia when they sent out the preview samples to review sites to tell them "yes it has PVP", yet KNOW it wasnt usable.. I dont believe that for a minute. Because its just bad press later on. And the NV40 stands VERY tall on its on merits without PVP.


I think, like ATI they rushed the product as fast as possible. ATI was rushed obviously because the X800s are really just fast R300s.. so all products have shortcomings, esp with a 6month cycle. They hadnt fully tested the NV40s PVP in software (obviously, they didnt even have drivers that worked at all on launch), so they didnt even know it didnt work properly.

NV had a whole new core, that KICKS ASS. ATI used their old one, so go buy an ATI when they make a new one and we'll see if it works.

I for one, will buy the newer revision of the Nvidia stuff that will work by that time, and then the new ATI wont.






That would be funny, someone is PO'd cuz they bought a NV40 that has PVP broken.. so they buy a spankin new R500 (or whatever it is), and its got this and that broken..

and rightfully so, because you guys wont realize that the problem here is EARLY ADOPTION. this is technology that is very complicated.


once you run a multibilliondollar corporation effectively and perfectly, let me know.

the biggest/best thing you can do is sell your cards, and buy a ATI. Then when something doesnt work "AS ADVERTISED" (gotta be the dumbest thing I've heard)... you can-

A) Shoot yourself
B) Use intel extreme graphics (works as advertised!)

ok ill take it back i guess it is a little too harsh. basically ive said what your saying here...its new technology its bound to go wrong it always does, and it has to happen to everyone some time or other. they should of owned up earlier but then again as a business , why would they rain on their own parade...when the pre-orders are rolling in it makes no sense to give people a reason not to buy

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: carage

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i think the mods should just end this thread now, they ended the last two......(why start a third?) unless software can re-arrange transistors which im pretty sure it cant, nothing is going to happen. this thread can last a month or two, you're all still gonna be here to whine and dine in this thread bout it not working and nvidia cant do anything about it.

surely the gaming performance of the NV40 alone is worth the price paid for it. how many people do you know that actually own one (not counting forums unless u are good buddies)

in my uni computer society......theres a fair few of us. me and one of the founders are the only people with cards of this calibre, i have a 6800GT he has a X800XT PE. thats a whole 2 people. most are doin just fine with FX5600's, 9600pro's, TI4200's etc and we are known as the guys with the beastly computers....that for me is worth the £305 spent. KICK ASS PERFORMANCE AND BRAGGING RIGHTS...


[/THREAD]

In other words, since a software solution is not feasible anyway, we should just let nVidia slip by with this like this never happened because the majority of the users aren't affected in anyway and probably couldn't careless. Is this what you mean?
Well, I happen to feel affected and by this issue and I do care, more particularly dissapointed by nVidia's response (or lack of response). Kick ass performance and bragging rights doesn't mean a thing when it comes to something the hardware should support but didn't.

Posting here isn't going to do anything about letting it "slip by".

I let all those faults, and more, by ATI "slip by" and my life has gone on without incident to this day. The three I mentioned in this thread were fixed in rev. 2 cards, yet I got no check, no new card, not even an apology.

Just the way it is with rev. 1 hardware, if you don't want the risk, you should wait for rev.2. It's cheaper anyway.

ill probably getf flamed within an inch of my life for saying this but.....i think rollo is right....luckily i have an asbestos suit

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Excuse me jack-ass......I posted a thread asking why the first one got locked and was thread crapped severely...It likely was locked because it should have been placed in the forum issues....

I am not playing mod. I figured out even after the rude comments by a bunch of you ppl here that the thread was likley locked due to the tremendous size it had become. I created it to alleviate that larger one.


I sure see why I never hung out much in this forum!!! If I want good video card and driver talk I go to guru3d.com anyways...

I will no longer be posting in this forum.....There is a vocal mirority in his forum that feels it can just dictate to ppl what we can discuss here. They \thread crap, start flames, and then sit back and blame us for having the threads locked.....Unfvcking believeable.....

See ya punks!!!

Duvie, and all others looking for PVP full functionality: Here are your options.

1. Start a class action lawsuit against nvidia. (this would be just like banging your head against a brick wall.)
2. Sell your 6800's and buy a 6600GT (Fully functional PVP and a nice gaming card)
3. Take the Plextor option that has been spoken of in here.
4. Sell your 6800 and get yourself hardware (besides 6600GT) that can help you do what you need to do.
5. Sit idle and do nothing but continue to ask questions that have already been answered ten fold.

Anyone care to throw in more options, feel free. And don't be a jackass about it

Keys

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: housecat
so you're seriously going to shell out more cash to get hardware accelerated WMP/MPEG support?

damn, even my athlon xp can handle those things.

how about i save you all some time, and we'll trade my 1700+ AXP (working as advertised) for your malfunctioning Geforce6s?
since they are broken, therefore they are devalued right? so they must be going for way less than expected on ebay.. so i think you should pay me, plus give me your video cards for my athlon xp.

Offer still stands Duvie.. going.... going.....



What I'm offering you here today, is a completely working as advertised Athlon XP, it will do your HD files just fine. And, its working COMPLETELY as advertised.
Now THATS a value!

This is a GREAT video watching CPU, put this puppy in your box and you'll have one powerhouse of a video watching machine. No more stressing out your poor A64 thats just CRYING out for help by your evil, mean and bastardly Geforce6.. because NO MORE!

Now you have the ultimate solution, a dedicated WMV HD processor!

Just send me your Geforce6, $100 and I'll send you this miracle of modern computing.

And of course an Athlon XP 1700+ coupled with a 6800 SHOULD be able to render ANY WMV HD without dropping frames, but THE FACT IS: IT CAN"T and any idiot paying attention to the issue knows it.

Its plenty obvious by your posts and sig that you serve only to spread FUD and troll this thread and others like it. I don't know why you and others like you dont stfu and stay out of these threads. You bozos continue to minimize the issue and offer obviously ridiculous "suggestions", and brand users as "whiners". Just go away

You are one of the more rational posters, and I wouldnt even go as far to call it deceit.

They made a MISTAKE. I truley do not believe Nvidia intentionally sent out the first batch of 6800s knowing this hardware would not work.
.

Why did they continue making them and marketing them long after they knew it was fubured? Or are you suggesting that Nvidia had no idea 8 months after the card launched that it was pooched? Its pretty obvious that they knew something was wrong(or their quality assurance lab is incompetant <--I highly doubt it), and they also knew that most users wouldn't notice...so they simply stood by and waited to launch a watered down "pure video" with a new GPU. Doesn't sound like "a" mistake to me.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Why did they continue making them and marketing them long after they knew it was fubured? Or are you suggesting that Nvidia had no idea 8 months after the card launched that it was pooched? Its pretty obvious that they knew something was wrong(or their quality assurance lab is incompetant <--I highly doubt it), and they also knew that most users wouldn't notice...so they simply stood by and waited to launch a watered down "pure video" with a new GPU. Doesn't sound like "a" mistake to me.

Whether it "sounds" like a mistake or not, it still doesn't change the fact that it's not working.
It may very well be that nvidia programmers "thought" that they could get the PVP working after a few driver revisions and codec work, but kept running into walls because those 22 million transistors are just not setup the way they thought they were.

Why doesn't anyone acknowledge my suggestions above? I am not calling anyone a "whiner" over this, but offered some pretty obvious solutions to all your problems.

rbV5, I know your really into working with video, so why don't you sell your 6800 and get a 6600GT?
I don't get it.. At least since the AGP 6600GT debued, you had the option to switch if you didn't have a PCI-E mobo. It was made known that the 6600GT had a fully functional PVP. And I believe that even the 6200 has it as well although only available in PCI-E.

If I were you guys, I would have sold my 6800 the second I found out the 6600GT had a working PVP.
Why haven't you? What's the delay? It's obvious that video editing encoding/decoding is a higher priority to you guys than gaming. And the 6600GT is by no means a gaming slouch.

I would like some response to this otherwise I will feel like you are not looking for a solution at all, and are content to stay PVP-less and complain. Can't get my mind around this.

Thanks,
Keys

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If I were you guys, I would have sold my 6800 the second I found out the 6600GT had a working PVP.
Why haven't you? What's the delay?

I agree emphatically. And I did. Let your opinions be heard with your $$$. That's the only thing corporations understand and care about anyways.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If I were you guys, I would have sold my 6800 the second I found out the 6600GT had a working PVP.
Why haven't you? What's the delay?

I agree emphatically. And I did. Let your opinions be heard with your $$$. That's the only thing corporations understand and care about anyways.

How will selling a card at a loss, that you paid full price for, damage NV in any way? Positive word-of-mouth and goodwill in a consumer base sells cards and MORE cards. I'll keep my GT as long as I would any other card. But when I do sell it I won't replace it with another NV card. They'll have to win back my loyalty, and that won't be easy.

 

[Megatomic]

Well, I didn't actually sell mine at a loss. I returned mine to Best Buy with a firm complaint and bought another card online.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Well, I didn't actually sell mine at a loss. I returned mine to Best Buy with a firm complaint and bought another card online.

Understood. I'm glad you were able to get out easily.

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: housecat
so you're seriously going to shell out more cash to get hardware accelerated WMP/MPEG support?

damn, even my athlon xp can handle those things.

how about i save you all some time, and we'll trade my 1700+ AXP (working as advertised) for your malfunctioning Geforce6s?
since they are broken, therefore they are devalued right? so they must be going for way less than expected on ebay.. so i think you should pay me, plus give me your video cards for my athlon xp.

Offer still stands Duvie.. going.... going.....



What I'm offering you here today, is a completely working as advertised Athlon XP, it will do your HD files just fine. And, its working COMPLETELY as advertised.
Now THATS a value!

This is a GREAT video watching CPU, put this puppy in your box and you'll have one powerhouse of a video watching machine. No more stressing out your poor A64 thats just CRYING out for help by your evil, mean and bastardly Geforce6.. because NO MORE!

Now you have the ultimate solution, a dedicated WMV HD processor!

Just send me your Geforce6, $100 and I'll send you this miracle of modern computing.

And of course an Athlon XP 1700+ coupled with a 6800 SHOULD be able to render ANY WMV HD without dropping frames, but THE FACT IS: IT CAN"T and any idiot paying attention to the issue knows it.

Its plenty obvious by your posts and sig that you serve only to spread FUD and troll this thread and others like it. I don't know why you and others like you dont stfu and stay out of these threads. You bozos continue to minimize the issue and offer obviously ridiculous "suggestions", and brand users as "whiners". Just go away

Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is.

How am I spreading FUD? Do you know what FUD is? What I spread is reason and logic.
Like I've said, do you REALLY THINK THERE IS ANY CHANCE IN HELL THEY WILL REPLACE YOUR VIDEO CARDS FOR YOU, EVEN IF THEY REVISE THE HARDWARE? I'm amazed at how hard headed some are.

The suggestions are actually not ridiculous-

1. Start a class action lawsuit against nvidia. (this would be just like banging your head against a brick wall.)
2. Sell your 6800's and buy a 6600GT (Fully functional PVP and a nice gaming card)
3. Take the Plextor option that has been spoken of in here.
4. Sell your 6800 and get yourself hardware (besides 6600GT) that can help you do what you need to do.
5. Sit idle and do nothing but continue to ask questions that have already been answered ten fold.


So whats wrong with that list, did you have something else in mind? Or were you going to default to #5?

Personally, I want to see a bunch of people start a class action lawsuit, it'd be like watching Nvidia do a nazi boot stomp all over your heads in court.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: housecat
so you're seriously going to shell out more cash to get hardware accelerated WMP/MPEG support?

damn, even my athlon xp can handle those things.

how about i save you all some time, and we'll trade my 1700+ AXP (working as advertised) for your malfunctioning Geforce6s?
since they are broken, therefore they are devalued right? so they must be going for way less than expected on ebay.. so i think you should pay me, plus give me your video cards for my athlon xp.

Offer still stands Duvie.. going.... going.....



What I'm offering you here today, is a completely working as advertised Athlon XP, it will do your HD files just fine. And, its working COMPLETELY as advertised.
Now THATS a value!

This is a GREAT video watching CPU, put this puppy in your box and you'll have one powerhouse of a video watching machine. No more stressing out your poor A64 thats just CRYING out for help by your evil, mean and bastardly Geforce6.. because NO MORE!

Now you have the ultimate solution, a dedicated WMV HD processor!

Just send me your Geforce6, $100 and I'll send you this miracle of modern computing.

And of course an Athlon XP 1700+ coupled with a 6800 SHOULD be able to render ANY WMV HD without dropping frames, but THE FACT IS: IT CAN"T and any idiot paying attention to the issue knows it.

Its plenty obvious by your posts and sig that you serve only to spread FUD and troll this thread and others like it. I don't know why you and others like you dont stfu and stay out of these threads. You bozos continue to minimize the issue and offer obviously ridiculous "suggestions", and brand users as "whiners". Just go away

Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is.

How am I spreading FUD? Do you know what FUD is? What I spread is reason and logic.
Like I've said, do you REALLY THINK THERE IS ANY CHANCE IN HELL THEY WILL REPLACE YOUR VIDEO CARDS FOR YOU, EVEN IF THEY REVISE THE HARDWARE? I'm amazed at how hard headed some are.

The suggestions are actually not ridiculous-

1. Start a class action lawsuit against nvidia. (this would be just like banging your head against a brick wall.)
2. Sell your 6800's and buy a 6600GT (Fully functional PVP and a nice gaming card)
3. Take the Plextor option that has been spoken of in here.
4. Sell your 6800 and get yourself hardware (besides 6600GT) that can help you do what you need to do.
5. Sit idle and do nothing but continue to ask questions that have already been answered ten fold.


So whats wrong with that list, did you have something else in mind? Or were you going to default to #5?

Personally, I want to see a bunch of people start a class action lawsuit, it'd be like watching Nvidia do a nazi boot stomp all over your heads in court.

"Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is. "

You have absolutely no idea how disproportionate and absurd your rambling is, do you? I knwo this MLK day but I really don't think this is what he had in mind...

 

[housecat]

the only thing that is absurd is you trying to tell me where i can and cannot post. when you guys play moderator and put yet another one of these threads up.

how disrespectful, you should all be banned.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I'm not trying to troll or anything, but my machine runs @ around 60-75% cpu usage and runs it perfect without any dropped frames. This is on a 3500+ with a 6800 Ultra and using the nvidia "FU software" as you guys call it. Is this normal?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: housecat
so you're seriously going to shell out more cash to get hardware accelerated WMP/MPEG support?

damn, even my athlon xp can handle those things.

how about i save you all some time, and we'll trade my 1700+ AXP (working as advertised) for your malfunctioning Geforce6s?
since they are broken, therefore they are devalued right? so they must be going for way less than expected on ebay.. so i think you should pay me, plus give me your video cards for my athlon xp.

Offer still stands Duvie.. going.... going.....



What I'm offering you here today, is a completely working as advertised Athlon XP, it will do your HD files just fine. And, its working COMPLETELY as advertised.
Now THATS a value!

This is a GREAT video watching CPU, put this puppy in your box and you'll have one powerhouse of a video watching machine. No more stressing out your poor A64 thats just CRYING out for help by your evil, mean and bastardly Geforce6.. because NO MORE!

Now you have the ultimate solution, a dedicated WMV HD processor!

Just send me your Geforce6, $100 and I'll send you this miracle of modern computing.

And of course an Athlon XP 1700+ coupled with a 6800 SHOULD be able to render ANY WMV HD without dropping frames, but THE FACT IS: IT CAN"T and any idiot paying attention to the issue knows it.

Its plenty obvious by your posts and sig that you serve only to spread FUD and troll this thread and others like it. I don't know why you and others like you dont stfu and stay out of these threads. You bozos continue to minimize the issue and offer obviously ridiculous "suggestions", and brand users as "whiners". Just go away

Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is.

How am I spreading FUD? Do you know what FUD is? What I spread is reason and logic.
Like I've said, do you REALLY THINK THERE IS ANY CHANCE IN HELL THEY WILL REPLACE YOUR VIDEO CARDS FOR YOU, EVEN IF THEY REVISE THE HARDWARE? I'm amazed at how hard headed some are.

The suggestions are actually not ridiculous-

1. Start a class action lawsuit against nvidia. (this would be just like banging your head against a brick wall.)
2. Sell your 6800's and buy a 6600GT (Fully functional PVP and a nice gaming card)
3. Take the Plextor option that has been spoken of in here.
4. Sell your 6800 and get yourself hardware (besides 6600GT) that can help you do what you need to do.
5. Sit idle and do nothing but continue to ask questions that have already been answered ten fold.


So whats wrong with that list, did you have something else in mind? Or were you going to default to #5?

Personally, I want to see a bunch of people start a class action lawsuit, it'd be like watching Nvidia do a nazi boot stomp all over your heads in court.

"Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is. "

You have absolutely no idea how disproportionate and absurd your rambling is, do you? I knwo this MLK day but I really don't think this is what he had in mind...

So, JJ. No comment on the list of possible solutions? Or is it more fun to fight and drag this out?
The solutions are there man, I don't see how much more momentum this topic can support.
Housecat, stop encouraging them to try to come back with snappy retorts. That's all anyone seems interested in is posting and impressive and snappy retort. Big Deal... JJ. Your options are in front of you. Which will you choose? Or do you have another option?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: housecatPersonally, I want to see a bunch of people start a class action lawsuit, it'd be like watching Nvidia do a nazi boot stomp all over your heads in court.

The real question is why you care so much when it obviously doesn't concern you one bit.

 

[EightySix Four]

I don't see why they'd lose a court case... is it not false advertising? I mean to me it sounds like even some lowely cheap lawyer could win this... Nvidia advertised something that wasn't there... Alot of people don't care/don't notice, but those that do can throw their time into it all they want, no need to flame them. Someone could have bought a 6800gt (before the 66/6200's) and paired it with an athlon xp 1700+ thinking the 6800gt would do the decoding, for a low wattage set top box, only to find out it doesn't, and the only way they can fix it is to buy something else. IMUO (in my useless opinion) Nvidia should at least give them their money back or offer a trade program for a 6600gt and some $$$.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: housecat
so you're seriously going to shell out more cash to get hardware accelerated WMP/MPEG support?

damn, even my athlon xp can handle those things.

how about i save you all some time, and we'll trade my 1700+ AXP (working as advertised) for your malfunctioning Geforce6s?
since they are broken, therefore they are devalued right? so they must be going for way less than expected on ebay.. so i think you should pay me, plus give me your video cards for my athlon xp.

Offer still stands Duvie.. going.... going.....



What I'm offering you here today, is a completely working as advertised Athlon XP, it will do your HD files just fine. And, its working COMPLETELY as advertised.
Now THATS a value!

This is a GREAT video watching CPU, put this puppy in your box and you'll have one powerhouse of a video watching machine. No more stressing out your poor A64 thats just CRYING out for help by your evil, mean and bastardly Geforce6.. because NO MORE!

Now you have the ultimate solution, a dedicated WMV HD processor!

Just send me your Geforce6, $100 and I'll send you this miracle of modern computing.

And of course an Athlon XP 1700+ coupled with a 6800 SHOULD be able to render ANY WMV HD without dropping frames, but THE FACT IS: IT CAN"T and any idiot paying attention to the issue knows it.

Its plenty obvious by your posts and sig that you serve only to spread FUD and troll this thread and others like it. I don't know why you and others like you dont stfu and stay out of these threads. You bozos continue to minimize the issue and offer obviously ridiculous "suggestions", and brand users as "whiners". Just go away

Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is.

How am I spreading FUD? Do you know what FUD is? What I spread is reason and logic.
Like I've said, do you REALLY THINK THERE IS ANY CHANCE IN HELL THEY WILL REPLACE YOUR VIDEO CARDS FOR YOU, EVEN IF THEY REVISE THE HARDWARE? I'm amazed at how hard headed some are.

The suggestions are actually not ridiculous-

1. Start a class action lawsuit against nvidia. (this would be just like banging your head against a brick wall.)
2. Sell your 6800's and buy a 6600GT (Fully functional PVP and a nice gaming card)
3. Take the Plextor option that has been spoken of in here.
4. Sell your 6800 and get yourself hardware (besides 6600GT) that can help you do what you need to do.
5. Sit idle and do nothing but continue to ask questions that have already been answered ten fold.


So whats wrong with that list, did you have something else in mind? Or were you going to default to #5?

Personally, I want to see a bunch of people start a class action lawsuit, it'd be like watching Nvidia do a nazi boot stomp all over your heads in court.

"Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is. "

You have absolutely no idea how disproportionate and absurd your rambling is, do you? I knwo this MLK day but I really don't think this is what he had in mind...

So, JJ. No comment on the list of possible solutions? Or is it more fun to fight and drag this out?
The solutions are there man, I don't see how much more momentum this topic can support.
Housecat, stop encouraging them to try to come back with snappy retorts. That's all anyone seems interested in is posting and impressive and snappy retort. Big Deal... JJ. Your options are in front of you. Which will you choose? Or do you have another option?

The solutions are not acceptable, I'll leave it at that for the time being. The more people aware of this situation the better and considering the number of people affected by it (pretty every single owner of an NV40 whether they know it or not) I see no reason NOT to make a sticky out of the topic. If it were you would find the number of pointless, argumentitive posts drop.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Creig:

So? As a longtime Nvidia user I can't be concerned at the lack of responsibility the company is now showing simply because I don't currently own a 6800? I am watching this situation closely to determine if I am going to purchase from them in the future.

Yeah, I'm sure Creig. As all three of your cards collectively are worth less than half the cheapest 6800, and your newest nVidia card is a GF1, I bet all the vendors are are preparing ad campaigns now for the lucrative Creig account of '05. :roll:
You could care less about 6800s, you just want to flame me, per usual.

All you need to know about 6800 PVP functionality is on nVidia's website. There are no magic drivers or bioses, just some disgruntled people saying "We got screwed!" ad infinitum.

Try again, Rollo. Over the years I've purchased 2 TnT2's, 2 GF256's, 2 GF2's and 1 GF3. Perhaps NOW they're not worth a whole lot, but at the time each one was a couple hundred dollars. So I've done PLENTY to bankroll Nvidia.

Plus I also make recommendations to businesses, friends and family members. So if I don't like the way Nvidia is doing business, I'll simply recommend ATI products instead and hit Nvidia where they'll notice it the most. Their wallets. And judging from the comments I've read in this thread and others, I'm not the only one who'll do the same if Nvidia doesn't shape up.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: housecat
so you're seriously going to shell out more cash to get hardware accelerated WMP/MPEG support?

damn, even my athlon xp can handle those things.

how about i save you all some time, and we'll trade my 1700+ AXP (working as advertised) for your malfunctioning Geforce6s?
since they are broken, therefore they are devalued right? so they must be going for way less than expected on ebay.. so i think you should pay me, plus give me your video cards for my athlon xp.

Offer still stands Duvie.. going.... going.....



What I'm offering you here today, is a completely working as advertised Athlon XP, it will do your HD files just fine. And, its working COMPLETELY as advertised.
Now THATS a value!

This is a GREAT video watching CPU, put this puppy in your box and you'll have one powerhouse of a video watching machine. No more stressing out your poor A64 thats just CRYING out for help by your evil, mean and bastardly Geforce6.. because NO MORE!

Now you have the ultimate solution, a dedicated WMV HD processor!

Just send me your Geforce6, $100 and I'll send you this miracle of modern computing.

And of course an Athlon XP 1700+ coupled with a 6800 SHOULD be able to render ANY WMV HD without dropping frames, but THE FACT IS: IT CAN"T and any idiot paying attention to the issue knows it.

Its plenty obvious by your posts and sig that you serve only to spread FUD and troll this thread and others like it. I don't know why you and others like you dont stfu and stay out of these threads. You bozos continue to minimize the issue and offer obviously ridiculous "suggestions", and brand users as "whiners". Just go away

Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is.

How am I spreading FUD? Do you know what FUD is? What I spread is reason and logic.
Like I've said, do you REALLY THINK THERE IS ANY CHANCE IN HELL THEY WILL REPLACE YOUR VIDEO CARDS FOR YOU, EVEN IF THEY REVISE THE HARDWARE? I'm amazed at how hard headed some are.

The suggestions are actually not ridiculous-

1. Start a class action lawsuit against nvidia. (this would be just like banging your head against a brick wall.)
2. Sell your 6800's and buy a 6600GT (Fully functional PVP and a nice gaming card)
3. Take the Plextor option that has been spoken of in here.
4. Sell your 6800 and get yourself hardware (besides 6600GT) that can help you do what you need to do.
5. Sit idle and do nothing but continue to ask questions that have already been answered ten fold.


So whats wrong with that list, did you have something else in mind? Or were you going to default to #5?

Personally, I want to see a bunch of people start a class action lawsuit, it'd be like watching Nvidia do a nazi boot stomp all over your heads in court.

"Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is. "

You have absolutely no idea how disproportionate and absurd your rambling is, do you? I knwo this MLK day but I really don't think this is what he had in mind...

So, JJ. No comment on the list of possible solutions? Or is it more fun to fight and drag this out?
The solutions are there man, I don't see how much more momentum this topic can support.
Housecat, stop encouraging them to try to come back with snappy retorts. That's all anyone seems interested in is posting and impressive and snappy retort. Big Deal... JJ. Your options are in front of you. Which will you choose? Or do you have another option?

The solutions are not acceptable, I'll leave it at that for the time being. The more people aware of this situation the better and considering the number of people affected by it (pretty every single owner of an NV40 whether they know it or not) I see no reason NOT to make a sticky out of the topic. If it were you would find the number of pointless, argumentitive posts drop.

The solutions are acceptable to a rational person. With the exception of option 5.
So option 5 for you it is. Turns out you do not wish for a solution. You want a head on a stick.
I can respect that, but I know that you know there are less malicious routes to take.
And, how am I affected by a non working PVP? Whether I know it or not? That is laughable.
I am not affected by the non funcional PVP and never will be. I am only posting in here because I want to help find a solution, but apparently 4 of the 5 perfectly good solutions that just myself have come up with are not acceptable for you because you want blood. So I can't figure out if it's actually option 1 or option 5 that you want. If it's option 1, will you be the "trailblazer" that gets this class action suit going? I highly doubt it. You will wait for someone else to do all the work and then jump on the wagon for a free ride.

I started with 1 6800GT, then I found out the PVP does not work. I now have 3 6800GT's and a 6800nu.
Apparently the non-functioning PVP does not affect me and countless others.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
Creig:

So? As a longtime Nvidia user I can't be concerned at the lack of responsibility the company is now showing simply because I don't currently own a 6800? I am watching this situation closely to determine if I am going to purchase from them in the future.

Yeah, I'm sure Creig. As all three of your cards collectively are worth less than half the cheapest 6800, and your newest nVidia card is a GF1, I bet all the vendors are are preparing ad campaigns now for the lucrative Creig account of '05. :roll:
You could care less about 6800s, you just want to flame me, per usual.

All you need to know about 6800 PVP functionality is on nVidia's website. There are no magic drivers or bioses, just some disgruntled people saying "We got screwed!" ad infinitum.

Try again, Rollo. Over the years I've purchased 2 TnT2's, 2 GF256's, 2 GF2's and 1 GF3. Perhaps NOW they're not worth a whole lot, but at the time each one was a couple hundred dollars. So I've done PLENTY to bankroll Nvidia.

Plus I also make recommendations to businesses, friends and family members. So if I don't like the way Nvidia is doing business, I'll simply recommend ATI products instead and hit Nvidia where they'll notice it the most. Their wallets. And judging from the comments I've read in this thread and others, I'm not the only one who'll do the same if Nvidia doesn't shape up.

Because you like the way ATI does business? Don't even.

 

[Matthias99]

posted by housecat:

...

But as far as a blatant attempt by Nvidia when they sent out the preview samples to review sites to tell them "yes it has PVP", yet KNOW it wasnt usable.. I dont believe that for a minute. Because its just bad press later on. And the NV40 stands VERY tall on its on merits without PVP.

...

I think, like ATI they rushed the product as fast as possible. ATI was rushed obviously because the X800s are really just fast R300s.. so all products have shortcomings, esp with a 6month cycle. They hadnt fully tested the NV40s PVP in software (obviously, they didnt even have drivers that worked at all on launch), so they didnt even know it didnt work properly.

I work at a company that, among other things, produces computer-related hardware and software. Do features change, slip, or get dropped sometimes? Yes. These things happen; unforseen problems in both hardware and software come up. But we don't say for six months before *and after* shipping a product that a hardware feature will be there, and *then* drop it. If NVIDIA "didn't even know it didn't work properly", they should not, IMO, have been hyping PVP/PureVideo as a key feature for NV40. They should have said "For NV40, we're working on some new features for doing better hardware video decoding -- and maybe even encoding -- that may become available at some point after launch", not "d00D! We've got this totally awesome new next-generation programmable video decode/encode processor thing that totally r0x0rs! ATI doesn't have that!" Their marketing department is not stupid; they know the second statement will generate a lot more interest (and sales) than the first one.

At best, NVIDIA comes out of this looking like clueless idiots (they sold the feature before it was done, but then totally FUBARed the design in the first-gen chips). At worst, they're lying bastards (if they knew it didn't work and sold it anyway). It certainly doesn't do much for my confidence in their products, or in the company as a whole. I'm just not seeing how you can say 'NVIDIA did the right thing here', or even 'NVIDIA did the best they could'. They clearly screwed up real bad.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: housecat
so you're seriously going to shell out more cash to get hardware accelerated WMP/MPEG support?

damn, even my athlon xp can handle those things.

how about i save you all some time, and we'll trade my 1700+ AXP (working as advertised) for your malfunctioning Geforce6s?
since they are broken, therefore they are devalued right? so they must be going for way less than expected on ebay.. so i think you should pay me, plus give me your video cards for my athlon xp.

Offer still stands Duvie.. going.... going.....



What I'm offering you here today, is a completely working as advertised Athlon XP, it will do your HD files just fine. And, its working COMPLETELY as advertised.
Now THATS a value!

This is a GREAT video watching CPU, put this puppy in your box and you'll have one powerhouse of a video watching machine. No more stressing out your poor A64 thats just CRYING out for help by your evil, mean and bastardly Geforce6.. because NO MORE!

Now you have the ultimate solution, a dedicated WMV HD processor!

Just send me your Geforce6, $100 and I'll send you this miracle of modern computing.

And of course an Athlon XP 1700+ coupled with a 6800 SHOULD be able to render ANY WMV HD without dropping frames, but THE FACT IS: IT CAN"T and any idiot paying attention to the issue knows it.

Its plenty obvious by your posts and sig that you serve only to spread FUD and troll this thread and others like it. I don't know why you and others like you dont stfu and stay out of these threads. You bozos continue to minimize the issue and offer obviously ridiculous "suggestions", and brand users as "whiners". Just go away

Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is.

How am I spreading FUD? Do you know what FUD is? What I spread is reason and logic.
Like I've said, do you REALLY THINK THERE IS ANY CHANCE IN HELL THEY WILL REPLACE YOUR VIDEO CARDS FOR YOU, EVEN IF THEY REVISE THE HARDWARE? I'm amazed at how hard headed some are.

The suggestions are actually not ridiculous-

1. Start a class action lawsuit against nvidia. (this would be just like banging your head against a brick wall.)
2. Sell your 6800's and buy a 6600GT (Fully functional PVP and a nice gaming card)
3. Take the Plextor option that has been spoken of in here.
4. Sell your 6800 and get yourself hardware (besides 6600GT) that can help you do what you need to do.
5. Sit idle and do nothing but continue to ask questions that have already been answered ten fold.


So whats wrong with that list, did you have something else in mind? Or were you going to default to #5?

Personally, I want to see a bunch of people start a class action lawsuit, it'd be like watching Nvidia do a nazi boot stomp all over your heads in court.

"Yet another attempt by the relentless opposition to quell our posts, why do YOU think YOU have the right to tell me where to post and not post? I'm just telling you how stupid this is. "

You have absolutely no idea how disproportionate and absurd your rambling is, do you? I knwo this MLK day but I really don't think this is what he had in mind...

So, JJ. No comment on the list of possible solutions? Or is it more fun to fight and drag this out?
The solutions are there man, I don't see how much more momentum this topic can support.
Housecat, stop encouraging them to try to come back with snappy retorts. That's all anyone seems interested in is posting and impressive and snappy retort. Big Deal... JJ. Your options are in front of you. Which will you choose? Or do you have another option?

The solutions are not acceptable, I'll leave it at that for the time being. The more people aware of this situation the better and considering the number of people affected by it (pretty every single owner of an NV40 whether they know it or not) I see no reason NOT to make a sticky out of the topic. If it were you would find the number of pointless, argumentitive posts drop.

The solutions are acceptable to a rational person. With the exception of option 5.
So option 5 for you it is. Turns out you do not wish for a solution. You want a head on a stick.
I can respect that, but I know that you know there are less malicious routes to take.
And, how am I affected by a non working PVP? Whether I know it or not? That is laughable.
I am not affected by the non funcional PVP and never will be. I am only posting in here because I want to help find a solution, but apparently 4 of the 5 perfectly good solutions that just myself have come up with are not acceptable for you because you want blood. So I can't figure out if it's actually option 1 or option 5 that you want. If it's option 1, will you be the "trailblazer" that gets this class action suit going? I highly doubt it. You will wait for someone else to do all the work and then jump on the wagon for a free ride.

I started with 1 6800GT, then I found out the PVP does not work. I now have 3 6800GT's and a 6800nu.
Apparently the non-functioning PVP does not affect me and countless others.

Ok, it does not affect you. I guess you're lucky in that respect, the 22 million transistors that were hyped to know end and used as a selling point is incosequential to you. Now move along please and leave the discussion to those who ARE affected.

Bump

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: Matthias99
. But we don't say for six months before *and after* shipping a product that a hardware feature will be there, and *then* drop it.

Thats what I said they did.. they probably worked on the software for it, found out about 6months after that it didnt work and then "dropped it".

Now, neither I, nor you or anyoen else knows if this is how it went.
But why assume the worst? Why not at least be fair and leave it up for reasonable doubt.


The WORST case scenario, is that Nvidia had AN IDEA that it wouldnt work during the 6months AFTER launch as they were working on the software.. but didnt tell us.
Thats the absolute worst this situation shows on Nvidia's "morality".




And then theres that small fact that there is no morality in business. Find me a moral business.. thats still in business.
Businesses are soley created and designed to turn profits, thats it.

You'd feel the same way about it if you were a major shareholder (5% or more of the company).. I dont really fault them for their actions.. like I said, even if you want to look at this situation "morally"...-
-at WORST CASE SCENARIO on the sequence of events, they simply didnt say anything for 6 months.. but you gotta give them, like anyone deserves, the benefit of the doubt that they really didnt know if it could be fixed.


I suppose if everyone was so hard on you, or anyone for that matter.. that if you got falsely accused of murder, instead of "innocent until proven guilty", it was "guilty until proven innocent".

We dont know how it happened at Nvidia. Its pointless to sit here and bash on them for that.


Its not going to change anything anyway. All final statements about PVP have been released by Nvidia.
So I the only solution, is to fix the silicon yourselves.. since none of the other options given by many in the course of this thread (and two others) do not suit you.

Maybe you can do it better than Nvidia.. since they suck so bad.

 

[nRollo]

Mathias:

At best, NVIDIA comes out of this looking like clueless idiots (they sold the feature before it was done, but then totally FUBARed the design in the first-gen chips). At worst, they're lying bastards (if they knew it didn't work and sold it anyway). It certainly doesn't do much for my confidence in their products, or in the company as a whole. I'm just not seeing how you can say 'NVIDIA did the right thing here', or even 'NVIDIA did the best they could'. They clearly screwed up real bad.

What's the difference in this and ATI not providing me with Win 2K or XP drivers for my MAXX, Mathias?

What's the difference in this and me not being able to run my 8500 stable at stock speeds?

What's the difference in this and the rolling wavey lines on my rev. 1 9700Pro? I can tell you I like not having accelerated WMV a whole lot better than having gray bars falling through my display every time I turn it on.

They screwed up "real bad"? How is that- by giving the vast majority of people who bought these cards exactly what they wanted?

Because 10 guys on AT are mad they have no WMV acceleration?

Now I'm feeling pretty slighted here. I've just posted three things I paid for on ATI cards and never got, yet no one has started a "Let's sue ATI for Rollo" thread! What the heck gives?
I wanted a line-less 9700 Pro easily as much as any of you want to watch the Step Into Liquid trailer, and there is no outcry on my behalf.


BTW- 100s of people had the 8500 and 9700Pro problems, they're well documented, and I can provide links to mondo threads at Rage 3d. The "no Win2K drivers" for the MAXX is legendary.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

heh well my asbestos suit just cant take the heat eminating from this thread no more......im checking out, happy flaming