Geforce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD PART2

[jjzelinski]

You appologists are making this thread into somekind of demented P&N derivative; this is not politics, this is not religion, this is a group of AT'ers ticked off at a company for decieving them into buing a product that was presented as a solution for high end gaming ++++AND AND AND++++ PVP/video encoding/decoding.

In fact there is nothing to debate, there is NO REASON for you thread crappers to be here. I can't force you to leave but you do nothing but antagonize and berate, so PLEASE stop and feel free to pipe in when you truly have something constructive to offer i.e. corrections, updates, etc...

There is a bright side to your pointless ramblings though (Rollo, Gamingphreak, and co.), every time you crap on the thread it gets bumped

 

[Gamingphreek]

PLEASE stop and feel free to pipe in when you truly have something constructive to offer i.e. corrections, updates, etc...

What do you not understand!?!? There is nothing else to discuss here. There isn't anymore updates. They have it as working as it is going to get. There is nothing to correct, as there is nothing being discussed.

This thread is simply flamebait... all it is doing is causing problems as there is nothing to discuss. What is know has been said, no one knows anything else.

-Kevin

 

[Megatomic]

Good god in heaven am I glad I returned my 6800 OC. This entire situation as well as you people defending NV is completely ludicrous. I cannot comprehend how you can't feel cheated and irate.

If I bought a car expecting it to have 4 wheels and an engine and all I got was the wheels I'd be pretty damned pissed. There is very little difference here. People (me included) bought the 6800 with the expectation that they'd have this sweet new feature called PVP. But it wasn't there meaning the card is deformed.

I KNEW back when this issue was just popping up that this would be the end result, so I did the smart thing and took my POS card back to Best Buy and got my money refunded. Too bad more people didn't do the same thing, maybe the message would have been received a little more seriously when it was delivered with a loss of profit.

 

[jjzelinski]

You ever stop to wonder WHY it's becoming flaimbait? Think... just don't hurt yourself doing it.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Good god in heaven am I glad I returned my 6800 OC. This entire situation as well as you people defending NV is completely ludicrous. I cannot comprehend how you can't feel cheated and irate.

If I bought a car expecting it to have 4 wheels and an engine and all I got was the wheels I'd be pretty damned pissed. There is very little difference here. People (me included) bought the 6800 with the expectation that they'd have this sweet new feature called PVP. But it wasn't there meaning the card is deformed.

I KNEW back when this issue was just popping up that this would be the end result, so I did the smart thing and took my POS card back to Best Buy and got my money refunded. Too bad more people didn't do the same thing, maybe the message would have been received a little more seriously when it was delivered with a loss of profit.

4 Wheels and an Engine is different. It is more like expecting a car with a 6 disk changer and you got a regular CD player.

You are blowing this way out of proportion. The card is a POS because PART of one feature is broken on it. The card still runs fine, everything runs fine, but one feature isn't functioning as it should. Are you saying i should return my 5900XT because DX9 doesn't function as promised. HL2 defaults to DX8.1 but i payed for DX9 card, doesn't that mean i got ripped? Should i demand my money back?

Stop whining already, you guys dont realize how fortunate you are. Im sure there are plenty of people who wish that they could just afford something like that.

You ever stop to wonder WHY it's becoming flaimbait? Think... just don't hurt yourself doing it.

Yeah i have. Its because someone decided to try and play moderator and repost a thread 3 different times after the first 2 got locked. Its because you guys are trying to discuss a subject which there is no discussion needed, everything that everyone knows is out there, you guys know everything about this feature. Discussing it isn't going to do anything, when no one knows more than everyone else.

-Kevin

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek4 Wheels and an Engine is different. It is more like expecting a car with a 6 disk changer and you got a regular CD player.

You are blowing this way out of proportion. The card is a POS because PART of one feature is broken on it. The card still runs fine, everything runs fine, but one feature isn't functioning as it should. Are you saying i should return my 5900XT because DX9 doesn't function as promised. HL2 defaults to DX8.1 but i payed for DX9 card, doesn't that mean i got ripped? Should i demand my money back?

Stop whining already, you guys dont realize how fortunate you are. Im sure there are plenty of people who wish that they could just afford something like that.
-Kevin

Oh, I'm not whining. I took my action and got my money back. And you can do whatever it is that you want, it's a free country.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo

The fact of the matter is Creig, I actually own a 6800 and have the possibility of using these features, you do not.

So? As a longtime Nvidia user I can't be concerned at the lack of responsibility the company is now showing simply because I don't currently own a 6800? I am watching this situation closely to determine if I am going to purchase from them in the future.

I paid money out of pocket for a Plextor ConvertX box to get some of the video functionality that was missing from my 6800NU and 6800GT. (notably VIVO) You're here to flame only.

No, I'm here to keep an eye on the situation and see if Nvidia fixes the NV40/NV45 core or not. Perhaps Xbit is correct and a BIOS flash will enable the PVP. Perhaps not. Since this thread is the most likely place to find out, I keep visiting it.

However, since you have your Plextor ConvertX box to fill in for the defective PVP, I can't image why you're still here unless it's to provoke flaming and cause as much trouble as possible. Obviously the PVP function doesn't affect you in the slightest. So why are you still posting here?

I'm proud of why I was banned from Sharky Extreme- telling people bragging about how many cards they had burned OCing and RMAd exactly what I thought is a badge of honor to me.

If you think what they were doing is honorable, and I should be ashamed of getting banned for calling them scum, I'd be happy to tell you what I think of that?

You were banned for your mouthy attitude. That's nothing to be proud of.

It's also fairly obvious that at least some of the AT community agree with my position on this issue as well, or do they not count in your "rest of the AT community"?

Yes, well, as people are now labelling the titles of threads with comments like "Rollo be constructive or stay out!!!!" it's obvious your reputation is becoming pretty widespread. Oh, there'll always be a few people following you around from thread to thread shouting "Yeah! I agree with Rollo!", but the majority of us just roll our eyes at you in disgust.

You'll take any thread that casts a shadow on Nvidia and turn it around into your own personal flamefest.


Just like this one.

 

[Duvie]

Excuse me jack-ass......I posted a thread asking why the first one got locked and was thread crapped severely...It likely was locked because it should have been placed in the forum issues....

I am not playing mod. I figured out even after the rude comments by a bunch of you ppl here that the thread was likley locked due to the tremendous size it had become. I created it to alleviate that larger one.


I sure see why I never hung out much in this forum!!! If I want good video card and driver talk I go to guru3d.com anyways...

I will no longer be posting in this forum.....There is a vocal mirority in his forum that feels it can just dictate to ppl what we can discuss here. They \thread crap, start flames, and then sit back and blame us for having the threads locked.....Unfvcking believeable.....

See ya punks!!!

 

[Waylay00]

Bye

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: housecat
I dont know about you all, but I think Rollo is quite on here.


<- another 100% Rollo fanboy

Anybody who defends the 5800 Ultra is cool in my book. Takes a real pair of nads.

But generally, yes.. There is no reason to beat a dead horse, we all know the facts and basic logic tells us that hopefully Nvidia will revise the core to incorporate the PVP. But if they do, does it matter? Are you expecting them to revise, then they will give you a new card, or a tradeup?

You have two chances of that, slim to none. Because they dont make cards, and no way is Evga/Jaton whoever going to take those off your hands when they are merely a middleman. IF this scenario were to occur (NV rise the cores effected), then BFG owners would be most likely to pull off an "exchange" with their lifetime warranty.
But quite obviously, it must not be cost effective to cater to the vast minority who cares about PVP.


I think thats about as much "new" information that can be injected into this thread.. and its not new its just simple logic. All other questions SURELY have been answered before, therefore we have a search feature here at AT.

i would of said zero to none

 

[otispunkmeyer]

i think the mods should just end this thread now, they ended the last two......(why start a third?) unless software can re-arrange transistors which im pretty sure it cant, nothing is going to happen. this thread can last a month or two, you're all still gonna be here to whine and dine in this thread bout it not working and nvidia cant do anything about it.

surely the gaming performance of the NV40 alone is worth the price paid for it. how many people do you know that actually own one (not counting forums unless u are good buddies)

in my uni computer society......theres a fair few of us. me and one of the founders are the only people with cards of this calibre, i have a 6800GT he has a X800XT PE. thats a whole 2 people. most are doin just fine with FX5600's, 9600pro's, TI4200's etc and we are known as the guys with the beastly computers....that for me is worth the £305 spent. KICK ASS PERFORMANCE AND BRAGGING RIGHTS...


[/THREAD]

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i think the mods should just end this thread now, they ended the last two......(why start a third?) unless software can re-arrange transistors which im pretty sure it cant, nothing is going to happen. this thread can last a month or two, you're all still gonna be here to whine and dine in this thread bout it not working and nvidia cant do anything about it.

surely the gaming performance of the NV40 alone is worth the price paid for it. how many people do you know that actually own one (not counting forums unless u are good buddies)

in my uni computer society......theres a fair few of us. me and one of the founders are the only people with cards of this calibre, i have a 6800GT he has a X800XT PE. thats a whole 2 people. most are doin just fine with FX5600's, 9600pro's, TI4200's etc and we are known as the guys with the beastly computers....that for me is worth the £305 spent. KICK ASS PERFORMANCE AND BRAGGING RIGHTS...


[/THREAD]

In other words, since a software solution is not feasible anyway, we should just let nVidia slip by with this like this never happened because the majority of the users aren't affected in anyway and probably couldn't careless. Is this what you mean?
Well, I happen to feel affected and by this issue and I do care, more particularly dissapointed by nVidia's response (or lack of response). Kick ass performance and bragging rights doesn't mean a thing when it comes to something the hardware should support but didn't.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: carage

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i think the mods should just end this thread now, they ended the last two......(why start a third?) unless software can re-arrange transistors which im pretty sure it cant, nothing is going to happen. this thread can last a month or two, you're all still gonna be here to whine and dine in this thread bout it not working and nvidia cant do anything about it.

surely the gaming performance of the NV40 alone is worth the price paid for it. how many people do you know that actually own one (not counting forums unless u are good buddies)

in my uni computer society......theres a fair few of us. me and one of the founders are the only people with cards of this calibre, i have a 6800GT he has a X800XT PE. thats a whole 2 people. most are doin just fine with FX5600's, 9600pro's, TI4200's etc and we are known as the guys with the beastly computers....that for me is worth the £305 spent. KICK ASS PERFORMANCE AND BRAGGING RIGHTS...


[/THREAD]

In other words, since a software solution is not feasible anyway, we should just let nVidia slip by with this like this never happened because the majority of the users aren't affected in anyway and probably couldn't careless. Is this what you mean?
Well, I happen to feel affected and by this issue and I do care, more particularly dissapointed by nVidia's response (or lack of response). Kick ass performance and bragging rights doesn't mean a thing when it comes to something the hardware should support but didn't.

I think he's just trying to collect a check so let them man crap in peace.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: carage

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i think the mods should just end this thread now, they ended the last two......(why start a third?) unless software can re-arrange transistors which im pretty sure it cant, nothing is going to happen. this thread can last a month or two, you're all still gonna be here to whine and dine in this thread bout it not working and nvidia cant do anything about it.

surely the gaming performance of the NV40 alone is worth the price paid for it. how many people do you know that actually own one (not counting forums unless u are good buddies)

in my uni computer society......theres a fair few of us. me and one of the founders are the only people with cards of this calibre, i have a 6800GT he has a X800XT PE. thats a whole 2 people. most are doin just fine with FX5600's, 9600pro's, TI4200's etc and we are known as the guys with the beastly computers....that for me is worth the £305 spent. KICK ASS PERFORMANCE AND BRAGGING RIGHTS...


[/THREAD]

In other words, since a software solution is not feasible anyway, we should just let nVidia slip by with this like this never happened because the majority of the users aren't affected in anyway and probably couldn't careless. Is this what you mean?
Well, I happen to feel affected and by this issue and I do care, more particularly dissapointed by nVidia's response (or lack of response). Kick ass performance and bragging rights doesn't mean a thing when it comes to something the hardware should support but didn't.

no i dont mean that... i too would like the PVP to work, i have a use for it and yes it miffed about the whole situation, but in reality bitching about it in a thread isnt going to get us any closer to a working PVP. all we need to know has been discussed in depth in the original thread and i dont think we can progress any further.

im willing to bet that in 2 months the PVP is still as weak as it is now. theres simply nothing we can do about it, just have to take it on the chin as one of those crap things that happen in life and just get on with it. i know for a fact i'vegot more chance of going ATi next time because of the deceit.

we cant do jack about the situation now, and what would hurt nvidia most instead would be for it to lose its high end customers to ATi (even though most of their income is by the low end)

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: carage

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i think the mods should just end this thread now, they ended the last two......(why start a third?) unless software can re-arrange transistors which im pretty sure it cant, nothing is going to happen. this thread can last a month or two, you're all still gonna be here to whine and dine in this thread bout it not working and nvidia cant do anything about it.

surely the gaming performance of the NV40 alone is worth the price paid for it. how many people do you know that actually own one (not counting forums unless u are good buddies)

in my uni computer society......theres a fair few of us. me and one of the founders are the only people with cards of this calibre, i have a 6800GT he has a X800XT PE. thats a whole 2 people. most are doin just fine with FX5600's, 9600pro's, TI4200's etc and we are known as the guys with the beastly computers....that for me is worth the £305 spent. KICK ASS PERFORMANCE AND BRAGGING RIGHTS...


[/THREAD]

In other words, since a software solution is not feasible anyway, we should just let nVidia slip by with this like this never happened because the majority of the users aren't affected in anyway and probably couldn't careless. Is this what you mean?
Well, I happen to feel affected and by this issue and I do care, more particularly dissapointed by nVidia's response (or lack of response). Kick ass performance and bragging rights doesn't mean a thing when it comes to something the hardware should support but didn't.

I think he's just trying to collect a check so let them man crap in peace.

can you explain what you mean?

 

[jjzelinski]

I'm insinuating you're an NV marketing thug, although I'm obviously exaggerating. Your argument (should you insist on calling it that) it senseless and irritating, the role of devils advocate lost its merit when your points were made long, long ago. Your position is known, now try to pipe down a bit unless you have something useful to contribute.

Thanks for the bump though.

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: carage

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i think the mods should just end this thread now, they ended the last two......(why start a third?) unless software can re-arrange transistors which im pretty sure it cant, nothing is going to happen. this thread can last a month or two, you're all still gonna be here to whine and dine in this thread bout it not working and nvidia cant do anything about it.

surely the gaming performance of the NV40 alone is worth the price paid for it. how many people do you know that actually own one (not counting forums unless u are good buddies)

in my uni computer society......theres a fair few of us. me and one of the founders are the only people with cards of this calibre, i have a 6800GT he has a X800XT PE. thats a whole 2 people. most are doin just fine with FX5600's, 9600pro's, TI4200's etc and we are known as the guys with the beastly computers....that for me is worth the £305 spent. KICK ASS PERFORMANCE AND BRAGGING RIGHTS...


[/THREAD]

In other words, since a software solution is not feasible anyway, we should just let nVidia slip by with this like this never happened because the majority of the users aren't affected in anyway and probably couldn't careless. Is this what you mean?
Well, I happen to feel affected and by this issue and I do care, more particularly dissapointed by nVidia's response (or lack of response). Kick ass performance and bragging rights doesn't mean a thing when it comes to something the hardware should support but didn't.

no i dont mean that... i too would like the PVP to work, i have a use for it and yes it miffed about the whole situation, but in reality bitching about it in a thread isnt going to get us any closer to a working PVP. all we need to know has been discussed in depth in the original thread and i dont think we can progress any further.

im willing to bet that in 2 months the PVP is still as weak as it is now. theres simply nothing we can do about it, just have to take it on the chin as one of those crap things that happen in life and just get on with it. i know for a fact i'vegot more chance of going ATi next time because of the deceit.

we cant do jack about the situation now, and what would hurt nvidia most instead would be for it to lose its high end customers to ATi (even though most of their income is by the low end)

You are one of the more rational posters, and I wouldnt even go as far to call it deceit.

They made a MISTAKE. I truley do not believe Nvidia intentionally sent out the first batch of 6800s knowing this hardware would not work.

I think they needed to finish the drivers to enable it, then were liek "oh shit, we got this problem or that problem".. so they decided to be quiet about it to not ruin sales. Thats about as deceitful as the situation gets.

But as far as a blatant attempt by Nvidia when they sent out the preview samples to review sites to tell them "yes it has PVP", yet KNOW it wasnt usable.. I dont believe that for a minute. Because its just bad press later on. And the NV40 stands VERY tall on its on merits without PVP.


I think, like ATI they rushed the product as fast as possible. ATI was rushed obviously because the X800s are really just fast R300s.. so all products have shortcomings, esp with a 6month cycle. They hadnt fully tested the NV40s PVP in software (obviously, they didnt even have drivers that worked at all on launch), so they didnt even know it didnt work properly.

NV had a whole new core, that KICKS ASS. ATI used their old one, so go buy an ATI when they make a new one and we'll see if it works.

I for one, will buy the newer revision of the Nvidia stuff that will work by that time, and then the new ATI wont.






That would be funny, someone is PO'd cuz they bought a NV40 that has PVP broken.. so they buy a spankin new R500 (or whatever it is), and its got this and that broken..

and rightfully so, because you guys wont realize that the problem here is EARLY ADOPTION. this is technology that is very complicated.


once you run a multibilliondollar corporation effectively and perfectly, let me know.

the biggest/best thing you can do is sell your cards, and buy a ATI. Then when something doesnt work "AS ADVERTISED" (gotta be the dumbest thing I've heard)... you can-

A) Shoot yourself
B) Use intel extreme graphics (works as advertised!)

 

[housecat]

seriously guys, ati/nvidia were revising hardware almost as fast as your girl's menstrual cycle.. theres bound to be surprising results.

 

[THUGSROOK]

im sorry, what is broken again?

 

[dug777]

at least one of about 20million transistors that would let the early 6800 kard owners enjoy a lower cpu utilization when playing some videos...

 

[THUGSROOK]

hmmm, i dont see a difference from my 5900....

i did notice my MPG encoding times have dropped tho

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Excuse me jack-ass......I posted a thread asking why the first one got locked and was thread crapped severely...It likely was locked because it should have been placed in the forum issues....

I am not playing mod. I figured out even after the rude comments by a bunch of you ppl here that the thread was likley locked due to the tremendous size it had become. I created it to alleviate that larger one.


I sure see why I never hung out much in this forum!!! If I want good video card and driver talk I go to guru3d.com anyways...

I will no longer be posting in this forum.....There is a vocal mirority in his forum that feels it can just dictate to ppl what we can discuss here. They \thread crap, start flames, and then sit back and blame us for having the threads locked.....Unfvcking believeable.....

See ya punks!!!

And there are people who enjoy flamefests and start inflammatory posts just to watch others fight, perhaps join in the melee.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[nRollo]

Creig:

So? As a longtime Nvidia user I can't be concerned at the lack of responsibility the company is now showing simply because I don't currently own a 6800? I am watching this situation closely to determine if I am going to purchase from them in the future.

Yeah, I'm sure Creig. As all three of your cards collectively are worth less than half the cheapest 6800, and your newest nVidia card is a GF1, I bet all the vendors are are preparing ad campaigns now for the lucrative Creig account of '05. :roll:
You could care less about 6800s, you just want to flame me, per usual.

All you need to know about 6800 PVP functionality is on nVidia's website. There are no magic drivers or bioses, just some disgruntled people saying "We got screwed!" ad infinitum.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: carage

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i think the mods should just end this thread now, they ended the last two......(why start a third?) unless software can re-arrange transistors which im pretty sure it cant, nothing is going to happen. this thread can last a month or two, you're all still gonna be here to whine and dine in this thread bout it not working and nvidia cant do anything about it.

surely the gaming performance of the NV40 alone is worth the price paid for it. how many people do you know that actually own one (not counting forums unless u are good buddies)

in my uni computer society......theres a fair few of us. me and one of the founders are the only people with cards of this calibre, i have a 6800GT he has a X800XT PE. thats a whole 2 people. most are doin just fine with FX5600's, 9600pro's, TI4200's etc and we are known as the guys with the beastly computers....that for me is worth the £305 spent. KICK ASS PERFORMANCE AND BRAGGING RIGHTS...


[/THREAD]

In other words, since a software solution is not feasible anyway, we should just let nVidia slip by with this like this never happened because the majority of the users aren't affected in anyway and probably couldn't careless. Is this what you mean?
Well, I happen to feel affected and by this issue and I do care, more particularly dissapointed by nVidia's response (or lack of response). Kick ass performance and bragging rights doesn't mean a thing when it comes to something the hardware should support but didn't.

Posting here isn't going to do anything about letting it "slip by".

I let all those faults, and more, by ATI "slip by" and my life has gone on without incident to this day. The three I mentioned in this thread were fixed in rev. 2 cards, yet I got no check, no new card, not even an apology.

Just the way it is with rev. 1 hardware, if you don't want the risk, you should wait for rev.2. It's cheaper anyway.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
I'm insinuating you're an NV marketing thug, although I'm obviously exaggerating. Your argument (should you insist on calling it that) it senseless and irritating, the role of devils advocate lost its merit when your points were made long, long ago. Your position is known, now try to pipe down a bit unless you have something useful to contribute.

Thanks for the bump though.

no problem, yeah maybes i should calm it, sorry for gettin bit irrate. jus saying i am bummed about the situation but i also cant see any gain in trying to do something about it.

sorry

but i wish i was getting a cheque of nvidia...im broke!