Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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the bad - sam and danerys continue to be a waste of time. maybe they aren't transferred well from the books?

The whole Daenerys thing, like some others in the show, has been dragged out way too much. As she made her appearance in this episode, swaying on the horse, with that silly expression on her face...I was a bit like...(sighs)..here we go again...

As this Wash Post reviews says..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...p-the-first-puzzle-piece-in-a-murder-mystery/

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The episode ends with Dany’s army firing barrels over the city walls; those barrels are filled with the neck shackles the slaves inside the city are wearing. And when the slaves see these, will it inspire them to rise up against their masters and join Dany’s army? And will this same exact scene happen again in another city in a few weeks?

 

[zinfamous]

Oh btw, apparently Pod's name is Podrick Payne. Is he related to Ilyn Payne, Ned Stark's executioner (son)? I believe that's the first time his name is known to us watchers, unless I missed it somewhere along the way.

yes his son, not sure that was conveyed earlier or not

It was. someone mentioned it ~159 posts ago.

I think, in detailed response to my question: "WTF is Ilyn Payne? Arya keeps chanting his name, but I'm not sure if I ever saw him or heard that name before Arya hated him for some reason."

 

[zinfamous]

How is it possible he hasn't been given a vacation? Directly contravening the fact the mods told him not to post in this thread again, and then he did? WTF is going on?

some sort of psychosis. He can't distinguish that it is purely his behavior, and not "who he is" (someone who reads the books) that is responsible for his exile.

some sort of vain misanthropy.

 

[Pens1566]

I bet Cercei is preggo. Thats why she told him that he was gone too long a few eps back.

Little finger did some creepy close talking with Sansa though it was nothing like the sexy time above.


Man Little finger really made a big move though I doubt he would act on his own.


I remember from the first episode when Arya was hiding in the crypts that Varis was talking to the guy who housed Dany and her brother and how they were talking about killing Ned Stark.

So who does Varys and Little finger REALLY serve!


I wonder who approached Pod about turning on Tyrion?

Was it Varys and Illyrio that she overheard? Never did see for sure.

 

[zinfamous]

The whole Daenerys thing, like some others in the show, has been dragged out way too much. As she made her appearance in this episode, swaying on the horse, with that silly expression on her face...I was a bit like...(sighs)..here we go again...

As this Wash Post reviews says..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...p-the-first-puzzle-piece-in-a-murder-mystery/

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The episode ends with Dany’s army firing barrels over the city walls; those barrels are filled with the neck shackles the slaves inside the city are wearing. And when the slaves see these, will it inspire them to rise up against their masters and join Dany’s army? And will this same exact scene happen again in another city in a few weeks?

I think needless scenes like this are simply polite filler, that otherwise would not exist if the Fat Man would just finish the damn books.

Stannis was moving towards the Wall at the end of Season 3. First two episodes, he's deliberating. Now, 3rd episode, his plan seems to be to reinforce his claim against King's Landing? Also, I didn't see in any of those Stannis/Davos scenes that the Stannis camp had news of Joffrey's death? Or maybe that is why he decides to reinforce his claim. I must have missed a line or two (Stannis' face is like Ambien for me)

 

[VulgarDisplay]

It was. someone mentioned it ~159 posts ago.

I think, in detailed response to my question: "WTF is Ilyn Payne? Arya keeps chanting his name, but I'm not sure if I ever saw him or heard that name before Arya hated him for some reason."

Ilyn Payne is the executioner who killed Ned stark. I thought podrick was his nephew not his son.

 

[smackababy]

I think needless scenes like this are simply polite filler, that otherwise would not exist if the Fat Man would just finish the damn books.

Stannis was moving towards the Wall at the end of Season 3. First two episodes, he's deliberating. Now, 3rd episode, his plan seems to be to reinforce his claim against King's Landing? Also, I didn't see in any of those Stannis/Davos scenes that the Stannis camp had news of Joffrey's death? Or maybe that is why he decides to reinforce his claim. I must have missed a line or two (Stannis' face is like Ambien for me)

You did miss something. Stannis had Davos read a note from a raven that said King Joffrey is dead. Stannis doesn't have much of an army left (something he has charged Davos with rebuilding) and he now prepares to march to defend the wall again Mance. Stannis' part was remarking how every day he doesn't continue to try and take the throne his claim is lessened. And he "won't be a page in someone else's history book."

 

[KeithTalent]

Little Finger coming out of nowhere was very strange. I was under the impression that everything we needed in order to determine the identity of the poisoner was included in the last episode, but if he is involved, which he most assuredly is now, there was no way to know that beforehand. That kind of sucks. Happy to have him back even though I do not understand why he would not be at his new castle; guess he really wanted Joffs dead and maybe wants Sansa as a bargaining chip.

Agreed on no more Sam stuff; that was all annoying shit even though I kind of like Gilly.

Loved Tywin grooming the new king right in front of Cersei and on top of Joffrey. That was amazing stuff and great acting all around.

Arya/Hound continues to be the best storyline while Dany's continues to flounder. I have to say the new Dario does not really convey the cockiness of the old one; I'm sure he'll have more to do at some point, but for scenes like the one last night, he does not really work as well.

Oh and I was also excited to finally get the Iron Bank more involved in something, rather than just the offhand comments from the Lannisters here and there. I knew it would become a major plot at some point, but it was nice to finally see it get started here.

KT

 

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I think needless scenes like this are simply polite filler, that otherwise would not exist if the Fat Man would just finish the damn books.

Stannis was moving towards the Wall at the end of Season 3. First two episodes, he's deliberating. Now, 3rd episode, his plan seems to be to reinforce his claim against King's Landing? Also, I didn't see in any of those Stannis/Davos scenes that the Stannis camp had news of Joffrey's death? Or maybe that is why he decides to reinforce his claim. I must have missed a line or two (Stannis' face is like Ambien for me)

Yes Stannis did learn of the death, and that is why he wants to reinforce his claim. Can't blame you for drifting off though.

In general, there is a bit too much meandering, drifting, things going nowhere, fillers. The reason this show falls short of being a truly great one (and in my opinion, it certainly does) is one word - writing. Which is just not compelling and focused enough.

As Bryan Cranston says, it is *always* the writing.

 

[cronos]

It was. someone mentioned it ~159 posts ago.

I think, in detailed response to my question: "WTF is Ilyn Payne? Arya keeps chanting his name, but I'm not sure if I ever saw him or heard that name before Arya hated him for some reason."

I knew exactly who Ilyn Payne was (and the fact that in the show the character's future is in limbo because the actor has cancer and decided not to continue), what I wasn't sure about whether it was conveyed to us in the show was the identity of Tyrion's squire I only knew as 'Pod' and his relationship with Ilyn Payne.

 

[manimal]

Was it Varys and Illyrio that she overheard? Never did see for sure.

 

[Phoenix86]

Little Finger coming out of nowhere was very strange. I was under the impression that everything we needed in order to determine the identity of the poisoner was included in the last episode, but if he is involved, which he most assuredly is now, there was no way to know that beforehand. That kind of sucks. Happy to have him back even though I do not understand why he would not be at his new castle; guess he really wanted Joffs dead and maybe wants Sansa as a bargaining chip.

KT

Strange, but it shouldn't have been unexpected. Littlefinger always wanted Cat Stark, Sansa is the next best thing. He bought two feather beds, one was empty.

 

[crashtestdummy]

Little Finger coming out of nowhere was very strange. I was under the impression that everything we needed in order to determine the identity of the poisoner was included in the last episode, but if he is involved, which he most assuredly is now, there was no way to know that beforehand. That kind of sucks. Happy to have him back even though I do not understand why he would not be at his new castle; guess he really wanted Joffs dead and maybe wants Sansa as a bargaining chip.

Andy Greenwald, I thought, explained it well. Fixating on who actually did the killing kind of misses the point. The ones who are winning right now are those who can cause something to happen without actually doing it.

 

[KeithTalent]

Strange, but it shouldn't have been unexpected. Littlefinger always wanted Cat Stark, Sansa is the next best thing. He bought two feather beds, one was empty.

Yeah good point; I'd forgotten about the Cat love. Still, murdering the king seems a bit far, even for him.

Andy Greenwald, I thought, explained it well. Fixating on who actually did the killing kind of misses the point. The ones who are winning right now are those who can cause something to happen without actually doing it.

Yeah sure, but I still want to know. I am hoping the court will realize how ridiculous it would be for Tyrion to murder the king in the way he allegedly did. Tywin either knows exactly who did it, or at least has a decent idea of it; not sure what Oberyn will do though.

KT

 

[smackababy]

Yeah good point; I'd forgotten about the Cat love. Still, murdering the king seems a bit far, even for him.

Little Finger has only done things to serve his own interests. As Varys told Oleanna, "He'd burn Westeros to the ground if it meant he could be crowned king of the ashes." Or, something similar to that.

Yeah sure, but I still want to know. I am hoping the court will realize how ridiculous it would be for Tyrion to murder the king in the way he allegedly did. Tywin either knows exactly who did it, or at least has a decent idea of it; not sure what Oberyn will do though.

KT

Tywin might know Tyrion didn't do it, but at this point, Cersei is Queen Regent and since she is convinced of it, they have to try him. Even if it hurts the family name, securing the crown is something that must be done. I hardly think they will let the trial get too out of hand, as the people might actually look at whoever did kill Joffrey as a hero of sort. After all, he was a wise and beautiful woman.

 

[Phoenix86]

Tywin might know Tyrion didn't do it, but at this point, Cersei is Queen Regent and since she is convinced of it, they have to try him. Even if it hurts the family name, securing the crown is something that must be done. I hardly think they will let the trial get too out of hand, as the people might actually look at whoever did kill Joffrey as a hero of sort. After all, he was a wise and beautiful woman.

Which is why I think his choice for the 3rd judge is important. He has to through a trial because Cersei is demanding it, but he doesn't want Tyrion to be named the murderer. Not to save Tyrion, but to save the family name.

If a 2-1 split on the judges means Tyrion is innocent, Tywin can play the "I told Pycell and the Dornish guy to vote for Tryion, but that didn't happen" card to Cersei. The realm won't be screaming for justice so much since, Joffrey and all...

 

[Drako]

Little Finger has only done things to serve his own interests. As Varys told Oleanna, "He'd burn Westeros to the ground if it meant he could be crowned king of the ashes." Or, something similar to that.

Wasn't it Little Finger who said something like "Chaos is a Ladder" to Varys?

edit: found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRS8a8HjqFs

 

[smackababy]

Which is why I think his choice for the 3rd judge is important. He has to through a trial because Cersei is demanding it, but he doesn't want Tyrion to be named the murderer. Not to save Tyrion, but to save the family name.

If a 2-1 split on the judges means Tyrion is innocent, Tywin can play the "I told Pycell and the Dornish guy to vote for Tryion, but that didn't happen" card to Cersei. The realm won't be screaming for justice so much since, Joffrey and all...

Tywin seems to just be using the situations as a means to strengthen their claim. Inviting the Dornish prince as a judge and onto the council will give Dorne a reason to accept the throne and when Dany crosses into Westeros with dragons, Tywin understands they will need all the help they can get.

Tyrion knows there is a conspiracy against him, as was confirmed when Pod said someone tried to bribe him with knighthood for testifying against him. Tyrion should know by now Cersei, regardless of the trial is going to do everything in her power to kill him, innocent or not.

 

[KeithTalent]

Little Finger has only done things to serve his own interests. As Varys told Oleanna, "He'd burn Westeros to the ground if it meant he could be crowned king of the ashes." Or, something similar to that.

Fair enough, I guess I just can't get into his motivations right now aside from getting Sansa. As I recall he was not super happy with being essentially banished out to whatever castle he was given, so may be some payback there as well.

Tywin might know Tyrion didn't do it, but at this point, Cersei is Queen Regent and since she is convinced of it, they have to try him. Even if it hurts the family name, securing the crown is something that must be done. I hardly think they will let the trial get too out of hand, as the people might actually look at whoever did kill Joffrey as a hero of sort. After all, he was a wise and beautiful woman.

Which is why I think his choice for the 3rd judge is important. He has to through a trial because Cersei is demanding it, but he doesn't want Tyrion to be named the murderer. Not to save Tyrion, but to save the family name.

If a 2-1 split on the judges means Tyrion is innocent, Tywin can play the "I told Pycell and the Dornish guy to vote for Tryion, but that didn't happen" card to Cersei. The realm won't be screaming for justice so much since, Joffrey and all...

Do we know that the people still hated Joffrey as much as they used to? I thought Marge had done a lot to repair his image recently, so maybe they will actually be out for blood?

KT

 

[smackababy]

Fair enough, I guess I just can't get into his motivations right now aside from getting Sansa. As I recall he was not super happy with being essentially banished out to whatever castle he was given, so may be some payback there as well.

Not exactly banished. He was finally elevated to a high enough status he could marry Lysa Arryn, who he stated has loved him. That gives him considerably more power than he had as master of coin and pimp in the capital. His motivations have always been to get more power.

Do we know that the people still hated Joffrey as much as they used to? I thought Marge had done a lot to repair his image recently, so maybe they will actually be out for blood?

KT

They know he was cruel and rumors of his illegitimacy are known as well. According to Tywin, his poisoning isn't even more than a rumor though. "Half the realm believes he choked." I believe was the line he told Oberyn.

 

[Icepick]

As of the most recent episode Little Finger is clearly involved, and I wouldn't put it past him to have orchestrated the whole thing. He's not at the wedding, or even in King's Landing at the time and back in Season 3 Episode 6 he talks to Varys about how he prefers Chaos and sees it as a ladder. Killing Geoffrey ensures chaos and another struggle for succession, albeit perhaps a less epic one.

Excellent point. This reminded me of something Tyrion said last night when talking to his liege about the poisoning. He stated that if he had been responsible he would like to think that he would plan it well enough to be miles away as it was being carried out. Just as Little Finger was.

 

[Phoenix86]

Do we know that the people still hated Joffrey as much as they used to? I thought Marge had done a lot to repair his image recently, so maybe they will actually be out for blood?

KT

The people in King's Landing probably tolerated him, at least once Margaery was in the picture. Just saying a hung jury wouldn't get anyone up in arms, except Cersei of course.

 

[Udgnim]

Cersei asks Jaime to kill Tyrion

Jaime realizes that was just Cersei wanting to get laid but she didn't want to make it obvious, so Jaime responds with sex

Tyrion will get to live now that the deed has been done

 

[techs]

Now that we know the necklace's origins, did Oleanna take a gem and why?
How does that fit in to current theories?

 

[smackababy]

Now that we know the necklace's origins, did Oleanna take a gem and why?
How does that fit in to current theories?

A good suggestion is she was in on it and was either looking to frame Sansa or it contained the poison.

It could have also just merely been coincidence, if you're one to believe in those.

Oleanna doesn't seem at all concerned about the death of Joffrey, and more so liking the prospect that leaves Margaery. She has even outright stated the Lannisters need the Tyrells and their support / money, and hinted that the "next one" Margaery will marry is likely Tommen.