Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

[smackababy]

If Tywin and Olenna wanted the poisoning done, I can't imagine why they would need LF involved at all. They are two of the most intelligent and resourceful individuals in the whole show, I have to think they could figure out an easy way to do it without having to promise anything to LF.

KT

Involving Little Finger could gain position of him (and he has proven to be a wildcard, even if only the audience knows it). Involving him could only serve as a way to placate him for the time being, and deal with him later. Plus, having him do it while having left weeks (months? I don't know the exact time line) to marry Lysa would give him the perfect alibi.

We can only speculate if others were involved, but we know LF was somehow. Perhaps, he was the one who approached Oleanna, and her seeing it as an opportunity took it. I don't think he would approach Tywin, as he values family and their name over anything. He would have not allowed it, I think.

 

[KeithTalent]

Involving Little Finger could gain position of him (and he has proven to be a wildcard, even if only the audience knows it). Involving him could only serve as a way to placate him for the time being, and deal with him later. Plus, having him do it while having left weeks (months? I don't know the exact time line) to marry Lysa would give him the perfect alibi.

We can only speculate if others were involved, but we know LF was somehow. Perhaps, he was the one who approached Oleanna, and her seeing it as an opportunity took it. I don't think he would approach Tywin, as he values family and their name over anything. He would have not allowed it, I think.

The only way it really makes sense to me is the first scenario you said; LF approaching the old lady. Definitely with you on Tywin, no way he would join with LF for that and I even find it quite difficult to believe he would have any hand in killing one of his own family, no matter how much he hates them.

KT

 

[dennilfloss]

Anyone else enjoying the "non spoiler" aspect of the thread?

Only one thing to add: sometimes people might say "this is different from the book/a major departure/etc..." and not realize it but on doing so they are in fact spoiling the books a little for those of us who intend to read them later (for example up to what has been covered in the televised series). One should comment in here as though the books do not exist at all.

 

[techs]

Would LF abandon all he gained to marry Sansa? Or to just keep her safe? Catelyn Stark was apparently the only thing he valued more than money but does that transfer to Sansa?

Killing Joffrey may be the price the conspirators, whoever they are, charged for the life of Sansa? And framing Tyrion eliminates Sansa's husband, freeing her for LF to take her hand.

 

[KeithTalent]

Would LF abandon all he gained to marry Sansa? Or to just keep her safe? Catelyn Stark was apparently the only thing he valued more than money but does that transfer to Sansa?

Killing Joffrey may be the price the conspirators, whoever they are, charged for the life of Sansa? And framing Tyrion eliminates Sansa's husband, freeing her for LF to take her hand.

LF could want some revenge too since he probably is well aware of who orchestrated the Red Wedding. Since his love of Cat was, seemingly, so absolute, I could see that be another reason for him to set this all in motion.

So revenge for Cat's death, maybe Sansa as a new bride (while eliminating her current husband) plus, likely, some sort of commitment from Olenna or whomever helped with the act itself, all while everyone assumes him to be many miles away. Not a bad haul.

KT

 

[techs]

Was this the second episode in a row that no one said, "winter is coming"?

 

[KeithTalent]

Hey does Sam still have more of those obsidian arrowhead things? I could not remember if he kept more of them because I am pretty sure he did not recover the one he used to kill the white walker; would suck if he did not have more of them.

KT

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Would LF abandon all he gained to marry Sansa? Or to just keep her safe? Catelyn Stark was apparently the only thing he valued more than money but does that transfer to Sansa?

Killing Joffrey may be the price the conspirators, whoever they are, charged for the life of Sansa? And framing Tyrion eliminates Sansa's husband, freeing her for LF to take her hand.

Sansa is the key to the north as far as 99% of the people in westeros are concerned. The boltons are wardens of the north in name but they are hated for the red wedding, and the starks are loved by all in the north but the boltons.

With sansa in hand little finger stands to be in control of the north, the vale of arryn ( large army that hasn't participated in the war), and the riverland lords would also likely rally behind sansa because she is catelyns daughter. He stands to gain a huge deal by having her. That's the reason why the lannisters kept her around.


If you think about it this would basically be the entire north, east, and central part of the continent against the lannisters and tyrells. How long did it take the tyrells to switch sides when it was in their best interests after renley died? They would turn on the lannisters in a heartbeat if an army the size of what little finger seems to be attempting to rally to his cause came down upon them.

 

[cronos]

Hey does Sam still have more of those obsidian arrowhead things? I could not remember if he kept more of them because I am pretty sure he did not recover the one he used to kill the white walker; would suck if he did not have more of them.

KT

I'm pretty sure he brought some with him. He was showing them (not sure if he also gave them) to the Stark boys when they met at the abandoned tower.

 

[raasco]

Hey does Sam still have more of those obsidian arrowhead things? I could not remember if he kept more of them because I am pretty sure he did not recover the one he used to kill the white walker; would suck if he did not have more of them.

KT

Yes. He was holding a few when he explained how he killed one.

Edit: I looked it up. S3E10 (27 minute mark on HBOGO), when Sam meets Bran/Hodor and crew at the abandoned castle near the wall he hands out several to those that were there. He claimed to find many of those dragon glass daggers buried north of the wall. He also gives out a few arrowheads to the girl archer with them.

 

[KeithTalent]

Cool, thanks bros.

KT

 

[raasco]

The only way it really makes sense to me is the first scenario you said; LF approaching the old lady. Definitely with you on Tywin, no way he would join with LF for that and I even find it quite difficult to believe he would have any hand in killing one of his own family, no matter how much he hates them.

KT

Even Tyrion suspects that Tywin killed him because he couldn't control him like he will be able to with Tonnen, granted he doesn't know about LF and Sansa. I'm voting for Tywin as the killer(at least until I'm proven wrong )

 

[Phoenix86]

The manner in which Oleanna and Margaery were talking about her not being queen suggested she [Oleanna] was hoping, if not actively scheming, to have her marry Tommen instead. And from what Tywin was shown doing with Tommen, he seems to be far more likely to listen to influence and Tyrion said he wasn't a monster like Joffrey. So, getting rid of someone likely to abuse your grand daughter and setting her up in a much better position of power is a huge motive. Now, Little Finger had to be promised something, as he wouldn't doing this out of charity. He was the person who brought the Tyrells to the King to begin with, after all.

OK, thought I missed something bigger. I took those two scenes to be how both houses are doing in the aftermath. Both of them kind of went 'meh fuck it, not so bad he died'.

Good point about who brought them into the fold.

 

[techs]

Tywin would do anything for his family, killing Joffrey included.

 

[crashtestdummy]

Yes. He was holding a few when he explained how he killed one.

Edit: I looked it up. S3E10 (27 minute mark on HBOGO), when Sam meets Bran/Hodor and crew at the abandoned castle near the wall he hands out several to those that were there. He claimed to find many of those dragon glass daggers buried north of the wall. He also gives out a few arrowheads to the girl archer with them.

They found a whole stash of them on the Fist of the First Men way back in the second season.

 

[KeithTalent]

Not sure what it says about me, maybe I'm a bad person, but apparently there is outrage at the Jamie-Cersei humping scene? Felt like Game of Thrones to me. /shrug

KT

 

[raasco]

Not sure what it says about me, maybe I'm a bad person, but apparently there is outrage at the Jamie-Cersei humping scene? Felt like Game of Thrones to me. /shrug

KT

It was just another GoT Sunday IMO.

 

[evident]

im not sure why everyone is so outraged all of a sudden at the rape scene... after all the other stuff that happens on this show people start to rage on this?

Not sure what it says about me, maybe I'm a bad person, but apparently there is outrage at the Jamie-Cersei humping scene? Felt like Game of Thrones to me. /shrug

KT

totally with you. seems even the bookwriter is coming out against the scene.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

im not sure why everyone is so outraged all of a sudden at the rape scene... after all the other stuff that happens on this show people start to rage on this?

I don't know how you call that a rape scene. Sure, there was some ripping of clothing, but Cersei was clearly into it in the middle, grabbing Jaime's head and kissing him back. After that she kept muttering "this isn't right", but she sure as hell didn't resist.

 

[KeithTalent]

Ok, glad to know I am not some crazy monster. Was hearing this outcry, but I just did not understand.

KT

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Tywin would do anything for his family, killing Joffrey included.

you have some rewatching to do

http://youtu.be/ihIaJnqxNYc

Tywin was Hand of the King to King Areys II (the "Mad King"). If Tywin didn't directly betray the king back then, and didn't just find one of many ways to get rid of Tyrion, what on earth makes you think he'd be in a scheme to assassinate his grandson?

Joffrey might have been an evil little shit who caused a good deal of trouble, but he definitely wasn't as bad as Areys Targaryen; killing him would leave Tywin with only one really good trump card - Tommen. And even though Tommen is shaping up to be a much better candidate than Joffrey, its not an ideal situation when kings are dropping like flies...

 

[techs]

I usually get a woody whenever Lena Heady gets down, but this time I got nothing.

 

[techs]

you have some rewatching to do

http://youtu.be/ihIaJnqxNYc

Tywin was Hand of the King to King Areys II (the "Mad King"). If Tywin didn't directly betray the king back then, and didn't just find one of many ways to get rid of Tyrion, what on earth makes you think he'd be in a scheme to assassinate his grandson?

Joffrey might have been an evil little shit who caused a good deal of trouble, but he definitely wasn't as bad as Areys Targaryen; killing him would leave Tywin with only one really good trump card - Tommen. And even though Tommen is shaping up to be a much better candidate than Joffrey, its not an ideal situation when kings are dropping like flies...

I took that scene to mean Tywin realizes he made a mistake in letting Tyrion live, but that he has proven useful.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I took that scene to mean Tywin realizes he made a mistake in letting Tyrion live, but that he has proven useful.

ok, you mistook one scene, but that doesn't explain everything else

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I think it was a little too rapey and all the libtards didn't find the rapeincestnecrophelia to be consensual enough. Could have had it a little less rapey by having her be more into it sooner.