Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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cronos

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Ok, glad to know I am not some crazy monster. Was hearing this outcry, but I just did not understand.

KT

Ok I got curious so I ended up reading some comments on one of the reviews out there of the episode and can't help but to laugh.

There is a reason why you and I and most others in this thread aren't feeling the rage, and believe me, it's an absolutely satisfying reason :D
 

Eug

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The sort-of-rape scene seemed superfluous, but yeah, par for the course for this show. But at the same time it felt out-of-place in a way, and I thought it didn't add anything to the show this time around. That said, I was surprised to hear that there was a bit of a kerfuffle about it.

In contrast I felt the final Khaleesi scene was awesome.
 

KeithTalent

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Ok I got curious so I ended up reading some comments on one of the reviews out there of the episode and can't help but to laugh.

There is a reason why you and I and most others in this thread aren't feeling the rage, and believe me, it's an absolutely satisfying reason :D

Haha 'nuff said. :D

KT
 

Ackmed

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People seriously got upset about that scene, calling it rape? Jesus people get offended by anything anymore. I want to throat punch so many people these days.
 

irishScott

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The sort-of-rape scene seemed superfluous, but yeah, par for the course for this show. But at the same time it felt out-of-place in a way, and I thought it didn't add anything to the show this time around. That said, I was surprised to hear that there was a bit of a kerfuffle about it.

In contrast I felt the final Khaleesi scene was awesome.

The rape scene IMO shows Jaime's development as a character. He mentioned in the last episode how he did and endured all of those horrible things (losing his hand no less) and such to get back to Cersei, and she just says "you took too long, so fuck you."; then she goes begging for his support. The rape was his way of lashing out and showing Cersei that she was no longer in charge of him.

I thought the final scene was awesome as well, but haters gonna hate. ATOT is worse than youtube comments for hating anything popular.
 
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KeithTalent

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The rape scene IMO shows Jaime's development as a character. He mentioned in the last episode how he did and endured all of those horrible things (losing his hand no less) and such to get back to Cersei, and she just says "you took too long, so fuck you."; then she goes begging for his support. The rape was his way of lashing out and showing Cersei that she was no longer in charge of him.

I thought the final scene was awesome as well, but haters gonna hate. ATOT is worse than youtube comments for hating anything popular.

Eh? What are you talking about?

KT
 

Drako

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The rape scene IMO shows Jaime's development as a character. He mentioned in the last episode how he did and endured all of those horrible things (losing his hand no less) and such to get back to Cersei, and she just says "you took too long, so fuck you."; then she goes begging for his support. The rape was his way of lashing out and showing Cersei that she was no longer in charge of him.

I think the whole scene from the beginning with Tywin just shows Cersei's role in the Lannister family spiraling down the drain. She has seemingly lost all influence of Tommen to her father, and she has no control over Jaime. She is now completely alone.
 

Newbian

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But he couldn't kill Tyrion at birth.

He could as that is often done with dwarves at birth as Tyrion said but Tywin kept him alive because he is a lannister with his speech he does and why picking him as killing joffrey would make no sense really.
 

nehalem256

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im not sure why everyone is so outraged all of a sudden at the rape scene... after all the other stuff that happens on this show people start to rage on this?

GoT involves a lot of moral ambiguity. There are a lot of people who cannot stand any kind of moral ambiguity if it involves "rape".

But hey, pushing kids out windows and cannibalism is fine :D
 

irishScott

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Eh? What are you talking about?

KT

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I'm just saying ATOT has a natural tradition of severely nitpicking anything that reaches a certain level of popularity. I suppose the comment was speaking more in general. A couple here (can't remember who exactly) have complained about Dany's storyline, others about Sam, Jon Snow, etc. IMO all of the various plotlines are excellent, hell I think Bran's is by far the weakest but I still enjoy it.

There's just so much happening plot-wise that you can't expect to see every plot substantially advance during every episode or even every other episode; the time slot simply isn't big enough. There's no "filler" that I can see, nor do any plotlines flounder, they're simply rotated into and out of the limelight as appropriate and necessary. The plots on the back burner usually get a few minutes of update (the most recent final scene could be summed up as "meanwhile, in Eros...") or nothing at all; which is fine. Given the quality and depth of the show, can't really ask for much more.
 

Newbian

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I thought the final scene was awesome as well, but haters gonna hate. ATOT is worse than youtube comments for hating anything popular.

The problem with the final part was it makes it look like the city will fall from a slave riot or they will be sent out like in the previous city and we want to see a battle not something boring like that.
 

zinfamous

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you have some rewatching to do

http://youtu.be/ihIaJnqxNYc

Tywin was Hand of the King to King Areys II (the "Mad King"). If Tywin didn't directly betray the king back then, and didn't just find one of many ways to get rid of Tyrion, what on earth makes you think he'd be in a scheme to assassinate his grandson?

Joffrey might have been an evil little shit who caused a good deal of trouble, but he definitely wasn't as bad as Areys Targaryen; killing him would leave Tywin with only one really good trump card - Tommen. And even though Tommen is shaping up to be a much better candidate than Joffrey, its not an ideal situation when kings are dropping like flies...

But Joffrey is "a Baratheon" in name. Tywin will do anything for a Lannister, not a Baratheon. Further, consider what it means to actually admit that Joffrey is/was a pure Lannister. that would never happen.
 
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BladeVenom

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The problem with the final part was it makes it look like the city will fall from a slave riot or they will be sent out like in the previous city and we want to see a battle not something boring like that.
The city may fall from a slave riot. That would involve some violence. I don't see why it's a problem. There's almost certainly going to be a battle at the wall. Isn't one big battle in a season enough?
 

manimal

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If Tywin is involved is because he saw first hand what happens when a mad king falls. In his first scene on the show he had the long monologue about family being the most important thing and the idea of sacrificing Joffrey before he gets the entire family killed becomes possible.
 

irishScott

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The problem with the final part was it makes it look like the city will fall from a slave riot or they will be sent out like in the previous city and we want to see a battle not something boring like that.

So the scene where Dany acquired the Unsullied was boring? Because that's exactly what you just described. Slave revolt from inside a city.

Honestly it seems realistic to me. Dany wants to keep her army intact and they didn't seem to have much choice. Even if they had the numbers they appear to have brought minimal siege equipment, certainly nothing that looked capable of cracking the city's walls; and the dragons aren't fully grown yet.
 

cubby1223

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The problem with the final part was it makes it look like the city will fall from a slave riot or they will be sent out like in the previous city and we want to see a battle not something boring like that.

It's not boring at all! All she has to do is approach a city and she has conquered it! That's pretty damn amazing
 

irishScott

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this show needs another ned stark type character that we can all get behind.

need to fire up the snoozefest.

Lol, I smell a troll.

But no the show doesn't need another Ned. It spent all of season 1 establishing that Westeros is a rather shitty place where naive, inflexible men like Ned Stark are quickly killed off once exposed. Last thing we want is for GoT to turn into some generic epic-hero fantasy. You'll take your realistic moral ambiguity and love it! :awe:
 
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Lol, I smell a troll.

But no the show doesn't need another Ned. It spent all of season 1 establishing that Westeros is a rather shitty place where naive, inflexible men like Ned Stark are quickly killed off once exposed. Last thing we want is for GoT to turn into some generic epic-hero fantasy. You'll take your realistic moral ambiguity and love it! :awe:

Tell me, what has that fat crow sam done that's been interesting?

Do you want me to contine with other "main" characters?
 
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you have some rewatching to do

http://youtu.be/ihIaJnqxNYc

Tywin was Hand of the King to King Areys II (the "Mad King"). If Tywin didn't directly betray the king back then, and didn't just find one of many ways to get rid of Tyrion, what on earth makes you think he'd be in a scheme to assassinate his grandson?

tywin did betray areys. he sacked king's landing and raped and slaughtered every targaryen except danerys and viscerys, who were hiding on dragonstone at the time.