Florida High School Shooting

[ch33zw1z]

I think it would be sensible to have a tax on gunowners to help fund security for schools and public places...

Yup, and carry insurance. They love to make the car comparison, let's start keeping it real.

 

[glenn1]

He also pushed for more background checks and better mental health care.

Remember that after Sandy Hook, almost nothing happened. For us to get universal background checks alone would be a HUGE victory for gun control.

You already know what is needed for that to happen; make it fast, cheap, easily available, and provides limited liability for sellers who use the system like we want. Things which make it less likely is continuing to insist only FFL license holders can effect transfers, making the cost of checks punitively high to “punish” gun owners, and otherwise making it any harder than it needs to be to comply.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

As I've asked, provide objective evidence that it is working. Otherwise, you're just making things up. Which is fine, but at least be honest about it.

It's ongoing in over 4 ISDs, ergo it's working.

 

[soundforbjt]

He also pushed for more background checks and better mental health care.

Remember that after Sandy Hook, almost nothing happened. For us to get universal background checks alone would be a HUGE victory for gun control.

Didn’t the shooter pass a background check?
Mental health? Good luck getting republicans to spend more on healthcare.

 

[TheVrolok]

It's ongoing in over 4 ISDs, ergo it's working.

That doesn't logically follow at all. Define working.

 

[soundforbjt]

It's working in school districts across this state and my bet it will begin to be instituted across the country over the next months and years. We'll see.

Have they stopped any shooters?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Have they stopped any shooters?

I don't know, you'd have to check how successful they have been yourself.

 

[Pens1566]

I'm sorry, I thought your read the earlier links posted. It's also been used successfully in Israel over the years.

Then we'd also have to go with Israel's gun ownership process as well. Somehow, I don't think you're ok with that though.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Then we'd also have to go with Israel's gun ownership process as well. Somehow, I don't think you're ok with that though.

Why would that follow? Having armed faculty to protect students has nothing to do with Israel's gun laws.

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't know, you'd have to check how successful they have been yourself.

Aren’t they going on in your state? Have they stopped a shooter in any of the schools there?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't know, you'd have to check how successful they have been yourself.

But you already said it's working, so prove it.

 

[Pens1566]

Why would that follow? Having armed faculty to protect students has nothing to do with Israel's gun laws.

You can't say their armed teachers "work" with that kind of YUGE variable being different. It's the equivalent of saying my cellphone in my pocket has protected me from tiger attacks while in suburban America so it should still work while I roam through rural India as well.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

But you already said it's working, so prove it.

Fvckhole, they have been ongoing for years. They are working. I do know that gun control doesn't work, it never has before.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Fvckhole, they have been ongoing for years. They are working.

Poor tajbot, make a claim, then want others to go find supportive data for it. Sucks being outdated.

 

[soundforbjt]

Fvckhole, they have been ongoing for years. They are working.

Then you should have zero problem finding one where they stopped an active shooter, I think it would have made the news if it happened.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Poor tajbot, make a claim, then want others to go find supportive data for it. Sucks being outdated.

#never again works so much better . #gum control now

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'm waiting for the NRA to demand having armed daycare workers.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Dude.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Dude.

Sup.

 

[Fern]

Then you should have zero problem finding one where they stopped an active shooter, I think it would have made the news if it happened.

That wouldn't be the only criteria for success. Mass shooters seem to strongly prefer unarmed victims. If the mere knowledge that teachers were armed prevented a mass shooter from making an attempt at a school that would be a success as well.

Fern

 

[soundforbjt]

That wouldn't be the only criteria for success. Mass shooters seem to strongly prefer unarmed victims. If the mere knowledge that teachers were armed prevented a mass shooter from making an attempt at a school that would be a success as well.

Fern

But if they never had a shooting before or after the armed presence , there’s no way to know if it’s effective.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Sup.

I'm just not used to seeing a little kids business.

 

[Pens1566]

That wouldn't be the only criteria for success. Mass shooters seem to strongly prefer unarmed victims. If the mere knowledge that teachers were armed prevented a mass shooter from making an attempt at a school that would be a success as well.

Fern

Ignoring the fact that several of the last handful of targets actually had armed guards already there ...

So then they can go to the next "soft target" like a nursing home? Where does it become evident that everyone being armed isn't the solution? Also, do you remember your teachers from school? How many of them do you want armed? They're not trained for those situations (for obvious reasons). And how do the trained professionals separate the perp from the defenders in a chaotic situation?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm just not used to seeing a little kids business.

Hah, didn't even notice. He was shooting down his parents, kinda the point there.

 

[Commodus]

Fvckhole, they have been ongoing for years. They are working. I do know that gun control doesn't work, it never has before.

You might want to look at virtually every other developed country before you make an objectively false claim like that.