Florida High School Shooting

[soundforbjt]

I, uh, think somebody had to make Trump some notes on how to appear as a human type person....

At least he didn’t do a Sara P. and write it on his hand.

 

[momeNt]

In a perfect world no one would be armed except the military. We don't live in a perfect world though.

Is the military armed on American soil? or is essentially every gun is locked away in an armory?

 

[momeNt]

1) I have proposed this or variations on this.

2) Ok. Should be done anyway.

3) Hooo Boy.

If almost every mass shooter is on the spectrum, its unconscionable to allow them in our society.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Once again guns are not the problem. If a man want to do evil, they will find a way. It is far easier to rent a truck and start running over kids then shooting them. I don't see anyone trying to outlaw truck renting. The problem with Obama law was it prevent anyone with any kind of mental illness to obtain a gun. Not all mental; illness are equal. Naturally I am in support of better gun control to prevent true nutcase to get guns.

You should start a thread about preventing people from getting run over by a rented truck (BTW you have to be 21+ to rent a truck and have insurance). That way someone who is concerned about the rented truck problem can find it and suggest ideas.
This thread is about another mass shooting not about truck rentals.

 

[soundforbjt]

If almost every mass shooter is on the spectrum, its unconscionable to allow them in our society.

What about the Vegas shooter ?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Want to make schools safer within a matter of a few weeks? Do what these Texas Independent School Districts did, train and arm some of their faculty. I know it's not #Never Again, but it would actually work a whole lot better.

https://kxan.com/2018/02/16/north-texas-schools-with-armed-teachers-hope-to-protect-students/

"Both Harrold and Holliday Independent School Districts have been allowing members of their staffs to conceal carry handguns for years, with Harrold being one of the first in the nation to do so.

Leaders in both districts say the majority of the feedback they’ve gotten has been positive."


http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dent...orida-lawmakers-pushing-for-options/519416914

"Just south of Denton, the Argyle Independent School District designated in 2014 to select amount of employees to carry guns on campuses to prevent a mass shooting. At Keene Independent School District, school leaders voted to do the same thing in 2015."

 

[soundforbjt]

Want to make schools safer within a matter of a few weeks? Do what these Texas Independent School Districts did, train and arm some of their faculty. I know it's not #Never Again, but it would actually work a whole lot better.

https://kxan.com/2018/02/16/north-texas-schools-with-armed-teachers-hope-to-protect-students/

"Both Harrold and Holliday Independent School Districts have been allowing members of their staffs to conceal carry handguns for years, with Harrold being one of the first in the nation to do so.

Leaders in both districts say the majority of the feedback they’ve gotten has been positive."


http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dent...orida-lawmakers-pushing-for-options/519416914

"Just south of Denton, the Argyle Independent School District designated in 2014 to select amount of employees to carry guns on campuses to prevent a mass shooting. At Keene Independent School District, school leaders voted to do the same thing in 2015."

Surprise Suprise, taj agreed with Trump’s solution... who’d think?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Surprise Suprise, taj agreed with Trump’s solution... who’d think?

I actually posted it earlier (yesterday) in another thread, but so what? It's a solution that ready, willing and able to be instituted on short notice. What do you think of it?

 

[Commodus]

Want to make schools safer within a matter of a few weeks? Do what these Texas Independent School Districts did, train and arm some of their faculty. I know it's not #Never Again, but it would actually work a whole lot better.

https://kxan.com/2018/02/16/north-texas-schools-with-armed-teachers-hope-to-protect-students/

"Both Harrold and Holliday Independent School Districts have been allowing members of their staffs to conceal carry handguns for years, with Harrold being one of the first in the nation to do so.

Leaders in both districts say the majority of the feedback they’ve gotten has been positive."


http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dent...orida-lawmakers-pushing-for-options/519416914

"Just south of Denton, the Argyle Independent School District designated in 2014 to select amount of employees to carry guns on campuses to prevent a mass shooting. At Keene Independent School District, school leaders voted to do the same thing in 2015."

So, do you support a mandatory doubling of pay for all school faculty across the US, since you expect them to serve as armed security guards in addition to their actual teaching roles? Will you unquestioningly support massive increases in funding for the public education system to accommodate arming and training faculty, including any and all tax increases needed to support them?

Oh, right, of course you won't. You just think more guns magically fix everything and haven't really thought further than that.

 

[Xellos2099]

You should start a thread about preventing people from getting run over by a rented truck (BTW you have to be 21+ to rent a truck and have insurance). That way someone who is concerned about the rented truck problem can find it and suggest ideas.
This thread is about another mass shooting not about truck rentals.

The point is, you do not need assault guns to do evil.

 

[soundforbjt]

I actually posted it earlier (yesterday) in another thread, but so what? It's a solution that ready, willing and able to be instituted on short notice. What do you think of it?

If more guns make us safer, we’d be the safest country in the world.

 

[momeNt]

What about the Vegas shooter ?

Not sure. School shooters are though.

 

[sportage]

Trump is a hard nosed character. Obviously the sec of education Betsy Devos was just as hard.
How do I know?
What she, SHE Betsy Devos, said at the end of the gathering about this being "the beginning of a long conversation".
Her words only proved that republicans want to talk and talk and only to talk.
The NRA has no objection to talk as long as any action stops with only talk.
US Sec of education Betsy Devos will be glad to talk and talk and talk as long as republicans are in control. And nothing will get done.
Yes, sure, we will continue to hear years of talk as long as republicans remain in charge.
So it boils down to one thing, the bottom line, vote republicans and the NRA out..... and vote common sensed politicians in.
Vote in the politicians that will take action with banning assault weapons, raising the gun ownership age limit, closing the gun show loopholes, and enact very intensive background checks.

But the #1 action, to vote these NRA scum sucking money feeders out. Period. PERIOD!
Then and only then will we see true change, and the end of never ending talk.
Talk has finished. We've been talking since the Columbine shooting.
Nothing can be said that has not already been said.

Donald Trump and Betsy Devos thought they were only there to hold some sort of feel-better physiology group secession.
Wrong! Totally wrong!
This was in fact a powerful "we demand you do something now", secession.
That simple fact both Donald Trump and Betsy Devos were completely oblivious too.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So, do you support a mandatory doubling of pay for all school faculty across the US, since you expect them to serve as armed security guards in addition to their actual teaching roles? Will you unquestioningly support massive increases in funding for the public education system to accommodate arming and training faculty, including any and all tax increases needed to support them?

Oh, right, of course you won't. You just think more guns magically fix everything and haven't really thought further than that.

Why would they double their pay? In the schools mentioned they pay for training and use volunteers. try reading the stories. I know it's difficult for you.

 

[Thebobo]

Once again guns are not the problem. If a man want to do evil, they will find a way. It is far easier to rent a truck and start running over kids then shooting them. I don't see anyone trying to outlaw truck renting. The problem with Obama law was it prevent anyone with any kind of mental illness to obtain a gun. Not all mental; illness are equal. Naturally I am in support of better gun control to prevent true nutcase to get guns.

Naturaly

Want to make schools safer within a matter of a few weeks? Do what these Texas Independent School Districts did, train and arm some of their faculty. I know it's not #Never Again, but it would actually work a whole lot better.

https://kxan.com/2018/02/16/north-texas-schools-with-armed-teachers-hope-to-protect-students/

"Both Harrold and Holliday Independent School Districts have been allowing members of their staffs to conceal carry handguns for years, with Harrold being one of the first in the nation to do so.

Leaders in both districts say the majority of the feedback they’ve gotten has been positive."


http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dent...orida-lawmakers-pushing-for-options/519416914

"Just south of Denton, the Argyle Independent School District designated in 2014 to select amount of employees to carry guns on campuses to prevent a mass shooting. At Keene Independent School District, school leaders voted to do the same thing in 2015."

I'll bet that makes you all wet between the legs now doesn't it.

 

[Thebobo]

Taj you normally log of by now it's getting late in russia?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Naturaly


I'll bet that makes you all wet between the legs now doesn't it.

Nope, but I bet something that's a workable help and a partial solution to school violence makes you angry. Sorry.

 

[soundforbjt]

Taj you normally log of by now it's getting late in russia?

Maybe he got bumped to second shift.

 

[Commodus]

Why would they double their pay? In the schools mentioned they pay for training and use volunteers. try reading the stories. I know it's difficult for you.

It's simple: as I said, because you're asking the teachers to perform double duty. They're not only being asked to teach, which is the only job they should ever be asked to do, they're being asked to defend their students with lethal force. You want to put teachers' lives on the line and task them with life-or-death decisions? Give them pay that reflects the extra requirements and added risk.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It's simple: as I said, because you're asking the teachers to perform double duty. They're not only being asked to teach, which is the only job they should ever be asked to do, they're being asked to defend their students with lethal force. You want to put teachers' lives on the line and task them with life-or-death decisions? Give them pay that reflects the extra requirements and added risk.

No, they teachers and faculty members are stepping forward and volunteering to perform the task. If no teachers or faculty step forward to help. So it goes.

 

[TheVrolok]

Want to make schools safer within a matter of a few weeks? Do what these Texas Independent School Districts did, train and arm some of their faculty. I know it's not #Never Again, but it would actually work a whole lot better.

https://kxan.com/2018/02/16/north-texas-schools-with-armed-teachers-hope-to-protect-students/

"Both Harrold and Holliday Independent School Districts have been allowing members of their staffs to conceal carry handguns for years, with Harrold being one of the first in the nation to do so.

Leaders in both districts say the majority of the feedback they’ve gotten has been positive."


http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dent...orida-lawmakers-pushing-for-options/519416914

"Just south of Denton, the Argyle Independent School District designated in 2014 to select amount of employees to carry guns on campuses to prevent a mass shooting. At Keene Independent School District, school leaders voted to do the same thing in 2015."

To this point, is there any objective evidence that it is effective in acting as a deterrent, or stopping an active shooter?

This idiotic argument comes up constantly, but I never hear any actual evidence that it would help. Sounds a lot more like silly "feel good" changes.

Considering how badly trained police function in active shooter scenarios, I really wonder why people think teachers could do better.

 

[soundforbjt]

To this point, is there any objective evidence that it is effective in acting as a deterrent, or stopping an active shooter?

This idiotic argument comes up constantly, but I never hear any actual evidence that it would help. Sounds a lot more like silly "feel good" changes.

Considering how badly trained police function in active shooter scenarios, I really wonder why people think teachers could do better.

Exactly, it’s not a proven defense.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

To this point, is there any objective evidence that it is effective in acting as a deterrent, or stopping an active shooter?

This idiotic argument comes up constantly, but I never hear any actual evidence that it would help. Sounds a lot more like silly "feel good" changes.

Considering how badly trained police function in active shooter scenarios, I really wonder why people think teachers could do better.

In the most recent Florida shooting an "unarmed" security guard died shielding students with his body. In the school of 3,200 student there was one armed resource officer. I think it may have made a difference, but certainly can't be sure. The students are asking for some kind of solution and it fits.

 

[Fern]

Has anyone seen any info/discussion on how the shooter was able to carry a long gun (rifle), presumably out in the open, from his car, across school lawn, through front door and up to the 3rd floor with no one noticing?

Fern

 

[TheVrolok]

In the most recent Florida shooting an "unarmed" security guard died shielding students with his body. In the school of 3,200 student there was one armed resource officer. I think it may have made a difference, but certainly can't be sure. The students are asking for some kind of solution and it fits.

Why does arming teachers fit if we have no evidence that it works and some that suggests it more than likely wouldn't?