Florida High School Shooting

[imported_tajmahal]

Why does arming teachers fit if we have no evidence that it works and some that suggests it more than likely wouldn't?

I'm sorry, I thought your read the earlier links posted. It's also been used successfully in Israel over the years.

 

[soundforbjt]

I'm sorry, I thought your read the earlier links posted. It's also been used successfully in Israel over the years.

We’re not in Israel.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

We’re not in Israel.

Would this particular partial solution to security care where it gets used? No, no it wouldn't.

But feel free to #neveragain to your little hearts content.

 

[soundforbjt]

Would this particular partial solution to security care where it gets used? No, no it wouldn't.

But feel free to #neveragain to your little hearts content.

I’m sure this is the only idea you wish to import, how about their law you have to be 27 to purchase a gun?

 

[jpeyton]

Guys, this is going viral (powerful speech from dad of victim): https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/trump-listening-sessions-parkland-students/index.html

This is the first time in a long time I think we're going to see some serious gun control laws enacted soon.

Trump sat there like a monkey and spouted some NRA talking points before sitting there stunned in silence when that dad spoke.

 

[Sunburn74]

Arming teachers could work but it probably won't right. First of all do you really want volatile underpaid overstressed teachers coming to work armed and then dealing with your snotbag mouthy kid and expect them not everyone once in a while to pull out the weapon? Also how is a teacher supposed to determine the shooter in a chaotic seen like that? Don't forget Nick Cruz slipped out amongst the fleeing kids. It's very likely that a bunch of teachers roaming the halls looking for a shooter may bump off a couple of suspicious looking Innocents or even just due to nerves when they are surprised and on edge looking for the active shooter

Teachers are teachers. Not soldiers

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I’m sure this is the only idea you wish to import, how about their law you have to be 27 to purchase a gun?

I wouldn't find it to be Constitutional, I have enough difficulty with 21 when 18 is the age of maturity.

 

[ivwshane]

Is the military armed on American soil? or is essentially every gun is locked away in an armory?

However its done now seems to be working.

 

[TheVrolok]

I'm sorry, I thought your read the earlier links posted. It's also been used successfully in Israel over the years.

I read both, they were fairly vacuous. Neither offered anything to suggest any of the evidence for which I asked. Neither mentions Israel either. So really, I fail to see how your response has any value.

 

[Commodus]

No, they teachers and faculty members are stepping forward and volunteering to perform the task. If no teachers or faculty step forward to help. So it goes.

The problem with volunteering is that it produces inconsistent security at best. You're basically gambling that enough people will volunteer to make a difference, that those volunteers will happen to be in the right place at the right time, and that they'll be effective if they do get to draw their weapons. Between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate for an NYPD officer firing their gun was 18 percent. Do you think a volunteer with less training and much less experience is going to do better?

It'd be better than nothing, but it wouldn't be significantly better than nothing. If the notion of arming staff is going to be truly effective, you'd need a defense that's both always available and effective... and frankly, I'd rather address the loose regulations and gun-happy culture that enable mass murders than to treat schools like they're perpetually 5 minutes away from a massacre.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Arming teachers could work but it probably won't right. First of all do you really want volatile underpaid overstressed teachers coming to work armed and then dealing with your snotbag mouthy kid and expect them not everyone once in a while to pull out the weapon? Also how is a teacher supposed to determine the shooter in a chaotic seen like that? Don't forget Nick Cruz slipped out amongst the fleeing kids. It's very likely that a bunch of teachers roaming the halls looking for a shooter may bump off a couple of suspicious looking Innocents or even just due to nerves when they are surprised and on edge looking for the active shooter

Teachers are teachers. Not soldiers

He was the one holding a rifle? Remember one of the heroes that died was an "unarmed" security guard that used his body to shield kids, he later died in surgery.

 

[sportage]

Occurs to me....
WHY do we have so many mass school shootings but never an US CONGRESS mass shooting?
Surely we have a lot more insane, deranged, politicians serving in the US congress than we have insane kids attending schools.
Think about it......

 

[TheVrolok]

The problem with volunteering is that it produces inconsistent security at best. You're basically gambling that enough people will volunteer to make a difference, that those volunteers will happen to be in the right place at the right time, and that they'll be effective if they do get to draw their weapons. Between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate for an NYPD officer firing their gun was 18 percent. Do you think a volunteer with less training and much less experience is going to do better?

It'd be better than nothing, but it wouldn't be significantly better than nothing. If the notion of arming staff is going to be truly effective, you'd need a defense that's both always available and effective... and frankly, I'd rather address the loose regulations and gun-happy culture that enable mass murders than to treat schools like they're perpetually 5 minutes away from a massacre.

Would it be better than nothing if trained professionals missed their intended targets 82% of the time? Sounds like having teachers accidentally shooting innocent children would be significantly worse.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I read both, they were fairly vacuous. Neither offered anything to suggest any of the evidence for which I asked. Neither mentions Israel either. So really, I fail to see how your response has any value.

It's a partial solution, do with it what you want. Maybe you can #gun control a few hundred times.

 

[soundforbjt]

Guys, this is going viral (powerful speech from dad of victim): https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/trump-listening-sessions-parkland-students/index.html

This is the first time in a long time I think we're going to see some serious gun control laws enacted soon.

Trump sat there like a monkey and spouted some NRA talking points before sitting there stunned in silence when that dad spoke.

That was the guy who”s son said more guns is the answer.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Would it be better than nothing if trained professionals missed their intended targets 82% of the time? Sounds like having teachers accidentally shooting innocent children would be significantly worse.

Like what the police did in Columbine? Yeah, it happens.

 

[TheVrolok]

It's a partial solution, do with it what you want. Maybe you can #gun control a few hundred times.

If you have no evidence that it will improve things, and as we've already discussed, odds are that it will make them worse, is it really a solution?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

If you have no evidence that it will improve things, and as we've already discussed, odds are that it will make them worse, is it really a solution?

It's a very good partial solution. Having mental health professionals forced to report patients with violent tendencies will also help.

 

[TheVrolok]

It's a very good partial solution.

"No" would have been fewer characters to type.

 

[jpeyton]

That was the guy who”s son said more guns is the answer.

He also pushed for more background checks and better mental health care.

Remember that after Sandy Hook, almost nothing happened. For us to get universal background checks alone would be a HUGE victory for gun control.

 

[ch33zw1z]

They want a bunch of liberal union thugs armed?

Administrators better watch the fuck out!

 

[imported_tajmahal]

"No" would have been fewer characters to type.

It's working in school districts across this state and my bet it will begin to be instituted across the country over the next months and years. We'll see.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Has anyone seen any info/discussion on how the shooter was able to carry a long gun (rifle), presumably out in the open, from his car, across school lawn, through front door and up to the 3rd floor with no one noticing?

Fern

I *think* I heard he had it wrapped up with something like a coat.
I may be wrong

 

[UberNeuman]

Administrators better watch the fuck out!

I think it would be sensible to have a tax on gunowners to help fund security for schools and public places...

 

[TheVrolok]

It's working in school districts across this state and my bet it will begin to be instituted across the country over the next months and years. We'll see.

As I've asked, provide objective evidence that it is working. Otherwise, you're just making things up. Which is fine, but at least be honest about it.