Florida High School Shooting

[MomentsofSanity]

At least he didn’t do a Sara P. and write it on his hand.

You didn’t notice his cuff did you? He apparently needs a reminder he’s not Obama (44).

 

[glenn1]

But if they never had a shooting before or after the armed presence , there’s no way to know if it’s effective.

You can’t prove a negative for armed school volunteers anymore than you could for the assault weapon ban. Won’t stop either side from relatively extreme solutions that cater to their existing preferences. No one seems interested in smaller solutions that might help, say pilot “free” (read: taxpayer funded) voluntary universal background checks without needing FFL to process and see if that helps at all. The adoption rate for free might surprise you and be worth the cost.

 

[HomerJS]

You can’t prove a negative for armed school volunteers anymore than you could for the assault weapon ban. Won’t stop either side from relatively extreme solutions that cater to their existing preferences. No one seems interested in smaller solutions that might help, say pilot “free” (read: taxpayer funded) voluntary universal background checks without needing FFL to process and see if that helps at all. The adoption rate for free might surprise you and be worth the cost.

What is the position of local police departments on arming teachers?

 

[HomerJS]

You didn’t notice his cuff did you? He apparently needs a reminder he’s not Obama (44).

Clearly he isn't paying much attention to this issue. And he ragged Obama for using a teleprompter??

He sat there emotionless the entire time. Looked disengaged. The only 2 things he cared about was getting out his talking points and getting the hell out of the room.

 

[fskimospy]

Nope, but I bet something that's a workable help and a partial solution to school violence makes you angry. Sorry.

There’s no evidence whatsoever that more marginally trained people firing weapons would solve school violence. You’re just making that up.

Also, can you point me to a single case of gun violence where you don’t think more guns are the answer?

 

[Kwatt]

You can’t prove a negative for armed school volunteers anymore than you could for the assault weapon ban. Won’t stop either side from relatively extreme solutions that cater to their existing preferences. No one seems interested in smaller solutions that might help, say pilot “free” (read: taxpayer funded) voluntary universal background checks without needing FFL to process and see if that helps at all. The adoption rate for free might surprise you and be worth the cost.

I could get behind that easily. With the caveat that firearm type (except for rifle, shotgun, or handgun) is not used and no requiring of serial #'s. Also, it must be fixed so it could not be modified in the future. I will not leave an opening for a last minute addition via a spending bill.
This will be a part of anything I vote for!

I will not be a part of anything that could lead to a Cali. type confiscation. Where the people registered the rifle as the law required and then were notified they had to turn them in.

.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You might want to look at virtually every other developed country before you make an objectively false claim like that.

Like Norway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

 

[imported_tajmahal]

There’s no evidence whatsoever that more marginally trained people firing weapons would solve school violence. You’re just making that up.

Also, can you point me to a single case of gun violence where you don’t think more guns are the answer?

Security professionals in various counties disagree with you, but you're an internet troll, you know more than they do.

 

[HomerJS]

Like Norway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

I wish this country had Norway's history on terror attacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Norway

Did you happen to catch the kid in the checkered shirt talk about Australia?

 

[Commodus]

Like Norway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

Norway's gun violence death rate is 1.75 per 100,000 people.

The United States' gun violence death rate is 10.54 per 100,000 people.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Norway's gun violence death rate is 1.75 per 100,000 people.

The United States' gun violence death rate is 10.54 per 100,000 people.

Thanks for proving my point.

Tell it to all the kids he killed. Ooops sorry they're dead. I guess if you call that "working" you win.

 

[Pens1566]

Norway's gun violence death rate is 1.75 per 100,000 people.

The United States' gun violence death rate is 10.54 per 100,000 people.

Thanks for proving my point.

"Well, they either have 1/10th the crazy people or no access to evil video games and hollywood violence"

 

[ch33zw1z]

Tell it to all the kids he killed. Ooops sorry they're dead. I guess if you call that "working" you win.

Faux outrage suits you well.

 

[fskimospy]

Security professionals in various counties disagree with you, but you're an internet troll, you know more than they do.

Do they now. Lol.

Can I take this to mean you believe there is no situation where the solution to gun violence isn’t more guns?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Faux outrage suits you well.

Thank you. Not having TDS means never spewing outrage at random things.

 

[glenn1]

"Well, they either have 1/10th the crazy people or no access to evil video games and hollywood violence"

And 0% of the war on drugs and lot less of the gangs that drive a lot of gun violence in the U.S. I don’t know if I can pull up the exact stats without a bit of googling but IIRC if you exclude black and Hispanic males aged 15-24 the firearms crimes rate mirrors that of Europe and elsewhere in the industrial world.

 

[Pens1566]

And 0% of the war on drugs and lot less of the gangs that drive a lot of gun violence in the U.S. I don’t know if I can pull up the exact stats without a bit of googling but IIRC if you exclude black and Hispanic males aged 15-24 the firearms crimes rate mirrors that of Europe and elsewhere in the industrial world.

I'm all for ending the war on drugs, which coincidentally enough, would drastically reduce the data point you've removed from the stats. Also, I find it interesting that the data starts in 2000 and ends in 2014. Conveniently excluding Columbine and the recent rash of high casualty events while including the Brevik shooting.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Thank you. Not having TDS means never spewing outrage at random things.

You're just so good at pretending you care about those Norwegian kids, it's really impressive.

 

[glenn1]

I'm all for ending the war on drugs, which coincidentally enough, would drastically reduce the data point you've removed from the stats. Also, I find it interesting that the data starts in 2000 and ends in 2014. Conveniently excluding Columbine and the recent rash of high casualty events while including the Brevik shooting.

Selection bias is going to be an issue with any image you'd find in a quick google search. Again the point isn't to try to minimize U.S. violence but put it into context; mass shootings tend to be more frequent here but mass shootings/casualty events in other countries often are much higher casualty events making the long-term per capita rates a lot closer together than one might think. For example the single event of the November 2015 Paris attacks killed as many people (130) as the top 3 U.S. mass shootings put together (2017 Las Vegas - 50, 2016 Orlando - 49, 2007 VA Tech - 32).

 

[UNCjigga]

Marco Rubio looks good with a spine.

 

[HomerJS]

You're just so good at pretending you care about those Norwegian kids, it's really impressive.

Exploiting the lives of other for selfish purposes. Just shows lack of a conscious

 

[Sunburn74]

He was the one holding a rifle? Remember one of the heroes that died was an "unarmed" security guard that used his body to shield kids, he later died in surgery.

It is not easy to find a shooter within a crowd of fleeing people. Even more so, you want young people with education degrees to perform headshots whilst minimizing collateral damage with ice water in their veins under the threat of their own lives. Why not ask NBA players to write quantum physics papers?

 

[emperus]

Rubio should have stayed home.

 

[UNCjigga]

Rubio should have stayed home.

No. He's doing his job. Sad that we have to applaud someone just for showing up, but that's where we are.

 

[soundforbjt]

Rubio should have stayed home.

He got major burned by the last student.