Does anyone care if MAGAts don't vaccinate?

[feralkid]

Doesn't really work like that. The more it spreads, the more mutations we'll have until another pandemic strain comes along....just like the flu. And at least we will have the blueprints for a vaccine ready to roll *hopefully* so it can be adapted and made quickly. If H1N1 is any measurement, six months to a functional vaccine still isn't bad.

mRNA to the rescue again.

( I hope.)

 

[shortylickens]

Diseases like polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, etc., have been eliminated or nearly so in this country due to a high percentage of people being vaccinated, in the range of 80% - 90%.

In today's world of karens and weblooker2021s, whom I assume refuses the vaccine so he can be a complete asshole, and evangelicals, and other conspiracy theorists, we will be lucky to surpass 66%, and that's not enough.

Yeah I'm only 40 years old but I can remember only two diseases that were ever politicized. This, and HIV.
And HIV didn't spread by air.

 

[ch33zw1z]

mRNA to the rescue again.

( I hope.)

Hope so, but did mRNA play a role in H1N1? Just the idea of having something at the ready will go a long way in keeping people calm.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

I would also focus on our nation as a whole improving our metabolic health and eliminating any co morbidities that we can control. The healthier we are the more likey our immune systems can defeat the virus with mild effects.

This is amazing! Lunatics who are so offended by wearing a piece of cloth on their face for an hour at the grocery store that they're willing to kill security guards? Oh, no, they surely wouldn't object to changing their diet, giving up steaks, beer and sodas! No problem!!

Also; as if no one haven't already been trying to improve the health and diet of american's to the tune of billions of dollars for... decades??

 

[Annisman*]

Covid-19 death rates 10 times higher in countries where most adults are overweight, report finds | CNN

The risk of death from Covid-19 is about 10 times higher in countries where more than half of the population is overweight, according to a report released Wednesday by the World Obesity Forum.

www.cnn.com

I can't overstate how important this is, if we were a healthier nation we'd be so much more successful with this virus.

Getting healthy is the true fix, the vaccine is a band aid until the next pandemic hits.

 

[Annisman*]

This is amazing! Lunatics who are so offended by wearing a piece of cloth on their face for an hour at the grocery store that they're willing to kill security guards? Oh, no, they surely wouldn't object to changing their diet, giving up steaks, beer and sodas! No problem!!

Also; as if no one haven't already been trying to improve the health and diet of american's to the tune of billions of dollars for... decades??

Who is spending billions of dollars to improve our health ?

Did you know that we are the world's largest corn and soy producer ?

I'm going to rock your world here and tell you that both of those products, and the food products that are created by them - chemically on an absolutely massive scale are complete garbage for us.

The food pyramid that the government provides us is upside down, they are telling us the opposite of what we should be eating for optimal health.

Our government is COMPLICIT with our awful health here in the US. They peddle garbage nutritional science because of all the money they make putting corn and soybean oil in every one of our foods.

Big Pharma has its place here too, they medicate our addictions to food and are happy to make a buck doing it.

It stinks from the head down.

 

[quikah]

Did you know that we are the world's largest corn and soy producer ?

I'm going to rock your world here and tell you that both of those products, and the food products that are created by them - chemically on an absolutely massive scale are complete garbage for us.

There is nothing wrong with corn or soybeans. Both have lots of nutrients. Corn was/is a staple food for Native Americans for 9000 years. Soy has been consumed in Asia for 1000 of years.

The issue is processed foods and general overeating.

 

[Annisman*]

There is nothing wrong with corn or soybeans. Both have lots of nutrients. Corn was/is a staple food for Native Americans for 9000 years. Soy has been consumed in Asia for 1000 of years.

The issue is processed foods and general overeating.

Where do you think the vast majority of our corn and soy goes ?

You see anybody at work today with a big bowl of soybeans eating them raw ?

We both agree you just don't know it.

Also to your point on overeating, why do we overeat ? Try eating too much tuna or chicken, now try overeating green leafy vegetables or fish. It's very difficult because fats and proteins are incredibly satiating whereas sugar (soy, corn) is not.

I challenge anybody to start reading the labels on your food and see how many contain these man made vegetable oils, it's almost all of them now.

 

[jman19]

Where do you think the vast majority of our corn and soy goes ?

You see anybody at work today with a big bowl of soybeans eating them raw ?

We both agree you just don't know it.

I challenge anybody to start reading the labels on your food and see how many contain these man made vegetable oils, it's almost all of them now.

We may produce too much corn and soy to be used as food filler / for processed foods, but that wasn't your entire statement. You said they are both "garbage" in of themselves and that's dubious at best.

 

[quikah]

Where do you think the vast majority of our corn and soy goes ?

You see anybody at work today with a big bowl of soybeans eating them raw ?

We both agree you just don't know it.

The vast majority of corn goes to animal feed and fuel production, only about 1/3 is consumed by humans directly. No idea about soybeans. I don't agree with blaming these crops for the ills of the US as this often devolves into pseudo science claims about hormones and GMOs.

The real answer is just stop eating so much.

 

[Annisman*]

We may produce too much corn and soy to be used as food filler / for processed foods, but that wasn't your entire statement. You said they are both "garbage" in of themselves and that's dubious at best.

It's garbage what we've done with them, nobody is getting fat by eating 10 ears of corn a day did I really need to say that ? Nobody's doing it.

 

[jman19]

It's garbage what we've done with them, nobody is getting fat by eating 10 ears of corn a day did I really need to say that ? Nobody's doing it.

I'm just pointing out your assertion that corn and soy in of themselves being "garbage" is wrong. Needless overreach in an otherwise valid argument about what is getting jammed in to our foods.

 

[Annisman*]

The vast majority of corn goes to animal feed and fuel production, only about 1/3 is consumed by humans directly. No idea about soybeans. I don't agree with blaming these crops for the ills of the US as this often devolves into pseudo science claims about hormones and GMOs.

The real answer is just stop eating so much.

Who consumes the animals that are fed all the corn and soy ?

I don't blame only those two crops I'm pointing out why the government is complicit with our nations poor health - a huge portion of it's income is tied to sugar.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yes, I do care. Can't wait for the Florida super spreader event to go back up north, when the idiots all go back home. Where the boys are......

 

[abj13]

Covid-19 death rates 10 times higher in countries where most adults are overweight, report finds | CNN

The risk of death from Covid-19 is about 10 times higher in countries where more than half of the population is overweight, according to a report released Wednesday by the World Obesity Forum.

www.cnn.com

I can't overstate how important this is, if we were a healthier nation we'd be so much more successful with this virus.

Getting healthy is the true fix, the vaccine is a band aid until the next pandemic hits.

Perhaps you should actually read the report before posting it. In the report, they cite two studies. One associated 10.5% of COVID-19 cases were attributable to obesity. Another report attributed up to 29.5% of hospitalizations were due to being overweight or obese.

Taken together, factors other than obesity account for 70.5-89.5% of ALL COVID-19 cases (based on those two studies). While obesity is a risk factor, pretending it is the cure-all for COVID-19 is not consistent with science-at-large. Even if everyone in the US was not obese, extrapolating the best case scenario to deaths (which was not analyzed in the study, but let's assume it was), we would still have >381,000 deaths in the US due to COVID-19. If we use the 10.5% and remove cases of COVID-19 due to obesity, we would still have ~26.5 million cases of COVID-19.

Are you ever going to read that study? Better yet, are you going to clarify why you not believe the science behind social distancing and mask wearing? Can you please define how the vaccines have been rushed? You purposefully ignored those questions to your previous illogical statements in this thread.

 

[Annisman*]

Perhaps you should actually read the report before posting it. In the report, they cite two studies. One associated 10.5% of COVID-19 cases were attributable to obesity. Another report attributed up to 29.5% of hospitalizations were due to being overweight or obese.

Taken together, factors other than obesity account for 70.5-89.5% of ALL COVID-19 cases (based on those two studies). While obesity is a risk factor, pretending it is the cure-all for COVID-19 is not consistent with science-at-large. Even if everyone in the US was not obese, extrapolating the best case scenario to deaths (which was not analyzed in the study, but let's assume it was), we would still have >381,000 deaths in the US due to COVID-19. If we use the 10.5% and remove cases of COVID-19 due to obesity, we would still have ~26.5 million cases of COVID-19.

Are you ever going to read that study? Better yet, are you going to clarify why you not believe the science behind social distancing and mask wearing? Can you please define how the vaccines have been rushed? You purposefully ignored those questions to your previous illogical statements in this thread.

You're talking only about cases. The article I posted is talking about deaths. Cases cases cases, no different than the regular TV scare tactics.

 

[MtnMan]

Yeah I'm only 40 years old but I can remember only two diseases that were ever politicized. This, and HIV.
And HIV didn't spread by air.

I'm old enough I remember the polio epidemic, also known as infantile paralysis before the vaccine. As it hit the young the hardest, paralyzing in hours at times, it had a definite impact on society and commerce. I'm sure my parent were terrified, but hid it pretty well from me. Other parents in the neighborhood, not so much.

As a kid I had measles, and chickenpox, but somehow dodged the mumps, also before vaccines. Now gone, I had a smallpox vaccine scar, as did most people. I have no idea of all things I may have been vaccinated against before my ship was deployed overseas. We were lined up and vaccinated.

HIV was never on my radar as I was never swapping bodily fluids with strangers, or sharing needles for illicit drugs. HIV is not that communicable, and the only people that caught it that did not participate in risky behavior were recipients of blood transfusions, before blood donations were tested.

 

[MtnMan]

Yes, I do care. Can't wait for the Florida super spreader event to go back up north, when the idiots all go back home. Where the boys are......

I remember seeing a map last year based on cellphone location, where those on a crowded beach in FL went back to wherever, and the increases in cases that resulted back home.

There was also a story of a dad that told his son not to go. When the kid got back from FL, he found a suitcase full of his stuff on the porch, and that locks had been changed. He was not allowed back into the house, as some family were immunocompromised.

 

[hal2kilo]

I remember seeing a map last year based on cellphone location, where those on a crowded beach in FL went back to wherever, and the increases in cases that resulted back home.

There was also a story of a dad that told his son not to go. When the kid got back from FL, he found a suitcase full of his stuff on the porch, and that locks had been changed. He was not allowed back into the house, as some family were immunocompromised.

I will be impossible for the scenario not to repeat itself. And these are the same fools who won't vaccinate.

 

[abj13]

You're talking only about cases. The article I posted is talking about deaths. Cases cases cases, no different than the regular TV scare tactics.

Thanks for demonstrating you didn't read the report nor do you understand what a correlation is. What did they say about how that data is affected? Better yet, did they control for all other covariates of risk of COVID-19?

We are still waiting for you to explain why you don't think masks or social distancing works. Why do you keep avoiding this question?

 

[cytg111]

This piece nails it

Column: Half of Republican men say they don't want the vaccine. They're mooching off the rest of us

“We’ve never seen an epidemic that was polarized politically before,” said Robert J. Blendon, a health policy scholar at Harvard.

www.latimes.com

 

[brycejones]

You're talking only about cases. The article I posted is talking about deaths. Cases cases cases, no different than the regular TV scare tactics.

Lordy

 

[feralkid]

I can't overstate how important this is.

Ahem...on the contrary, all you ever fucking do here is overstate, bloviate and wig out on your over-heated hyperbolic food rants.

Get back on your meds, stat.

Oh that's right, you are an anti-vaxer as well.

 

[Annisman*]

Thanks for demonstrating you didn't read the report nor do you understand what a correlation is. What did they say about how that data is affected? Better yet, did they control for all other covariates of risk of COVID-19?

We are still waiting for you to explain why you don't think masks or social distancing works. Why do you keep avoiding this question?

I'm not avoiding the question, I already know we disagree and I don't care to try and change your mind.

I think it's bad science, I think a virus is going to move through a population no matter how hard you try to hide from it.

So far that's what it's been doing. It will continue.

So instead of hiding let's get healthier and shed what co-morbidities that we can so that WHEN we get infected we can hopefully shrug it off and be on our ways.

A large part of this is diet, something we can all change and something rarely discussed.

 

[Annisman*]

Ahem...on the contrary, all you ever fucking do here is overstate, bloviate and wig out on your over-heated hyperbolic food rants.

Get back on your meds, stat.

Oh that's right, you are an anti-vaxer as well.

Last I checked I was vaccinated and so are my kids... Try again ?