Does anyone care if MAGAts don't vaccinate?

[brycejones]

Yes this, took my daughter in for her 1.5 year vaccines just this morning actually. I don't think some people can handle the idea of someone being ok with tried and true vaccines we've been doing for decades but skeptical of the CoViD one.

I know we all like to put people in our boxes with labels and all so I understand why.

Do you get last years flu vaccine since it’s tried and true at they point?

COVID vaccines went through the same process as any other vaccine just without the usual long delays that generate no data between steps that typically occurs in vaccine development.

 

[abj13]

Contact traced? I didn't know i had it and even if i known , i would not talk to them. I have no legal duty to tell the government anything.

Thankfully society is smarter than you. COVID-19 is a nationally reportable disease. There's no need for you to tell the government anything because your case information has or will be transmitted to local health departments and the CDC.

And thankfully, we aren't in a different phase of the pandemic. Or else CDC and/or state government would have full legal power to track you down and decide if you were required to quarantine or not, contrary to your false assertions about their legality.

 

[brycejones]

Contact traced? I didn't know i had it and even if i known , i would not talk to them. I have no legal duty to tell the government anything.

You are the problem with America.

 

[Annisman*]

Weiterleitungshinweis

www.google.com

I mean guys..... Come on

 

[Annisman*]

Do you get last years flu vaccine since it’s tried and true at they point?

COVID vaccines went through the same process as any other vaccine just without the usual long delays that generate no data between steps that typically occurs in vaccine development.

That's good to know. I don't usually get a flu shot though.

 

[abj13]

Weiterleitungshinweis

www.google.com

I mean guys..... Come on

I thought your goal was allowing "everyone else to live their lives" in whatever way possible. Screw shutting down the economy to flatten the curve during a global pandemic, you want everyone to live their lives. Those are your words. What part of a private company making an opportunity available for people to make about a private decision while "living their lives" do you suddenly dislike?

 

[Annisman*]

I thought your goal was allowing "everyone else to live their lives" in whatever way possible. Screw shutting down the economy to flatten the curve during a global pandemic, you want everyone to live their lives. Those are your words. What part of a private company making an opportunity available for people to make about a private decision while "living their lives" do you suddenly dislike?

I want businesses to stay open and people not to lose their jobs.

Yes that includes the folks at krispy kreme.

Doesn't mean what they're selling isn't straight trash. They're basically pushers at this point.

We need to talk about how addicted to sugar we are in this nation, the free market will decide if that keeps places like krispy kreme open.

 

[abj13]

I want businesses to stay open and people not to lose their jobs.

Yes that includes the folks at krispy kreme.

Doesn't mean what they're selling isn't straight trash. They're basically pushers at this point.

We need to talk about how addicted to sugar we are in this nation, the free market will decide if that keeps places like krispy kreme open.

Ah, yes, the classical fallback position when you have nothing of value, we'll fix problem X with the free market economy! How? We don't know, the economy will figure it out! Sounds just like Trump's promise for a better healthcare plan.

Whether you like Krispy Kreme or not, the free market as already decided they are a viable private enterprise. Who are you to tell how people "live their lives?" That's your contradictory logic, not mine. I'm starting to suspect you don't practice what you preach...

 

[Annisman*]

Ah, yes, the classical fallback position when you have nothing of value, we'll fix problem X with the free market economy! How? We don't know, the economy will figure it out! Sounds just like Trump's promise for a better healthcare plan.

Whether you like Krispy Kreme or not, the free market as already decided they are a viable private enterprise. Who are you to tell how people "live their lives?" That's your contradictory logic, not mine. I'm starting to suspect you don't practice what you preach...

It's not my place to tell people what to do, what I want is people to see just how we got to this place as a nation.

I don't think people are as informed as you do about what's in their foods. I have found that most people don't understand what a carb is and would tell you a nutrigrain bar is healthy.

Terrible health + a virus that preys on poor metabolic health = a disaster

The vaccine is a band aid for that.

Let's begin to fix the real issue. It's been an entire year. I'm willing to bet we are more unhealthy now than when the pandemic first began.

 

[abj13]

Terrible health + a virus that preys on poor metabolic health = a disaster

Except your own studies that you linked to don't even support that opinion. Obesity only accounts for 10.5% of COVID-19 cases. At best, it can account for 29.5% of hospitalizations. The majority of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and therefore deaths would not be solved by your solution.

Perhaps next time you should do some research on the topic before making false claims.

The vaccine is a band aid for that.

Let's see

We could try to wave a magic wand, make all obesity disappear in weeks and that will only reduce the number of COVID-19 cases by 10.5%. What's this magic wand? You still have yet to explain it. Will it be released the same time as Trump's Health Plan?

OR

We could use a vaccine that has up to 95% effectiveness in preventing COVID-19.

Even the free market made a decision about this and disagrees with you. Ouch.

 

[Annisman*]

Except your own studies that you linked to don't even support that opinion. Obesity only accounts for 10.5% of COVID-19 cases. At best, it can account for 29.5% of hospitalizations. The majority of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and therefore deaths would not be solved by your solution.

Perhaps next time you should do some research on the topic before making false claims.



Let's see

We could try to wave a magic wand, make all obesity disappear in weeks and that will only reduce the number of COVID-19 cases by 10.5%. What's this magic wand? You still have yet to explain it. Will it be released the same time as Trump's Health Plan?

OR

We could use a vaccine that has up to 95% effectiveness in preventing COVID-19.

Even the free market made a decision about this and disagrees with you. Ouch.

I'm loving how my stance on changing our health = NO VACCINE !!!!

I guess you'll see whatever you want in our conversation.

 

[abj13]

I'm loving how my stance on changing our health = NO VACCINE !!!!

I guess you'll see whatever you want in our conversation.

Hilarious. I'm not the one claiming a vaccine with 95% efficacy is a "band-aid," while you try to promote some magical plan of addressing obesity will have the bigger effect. Those are your words, not mine. I'm still waiting for this magical plan. Are you going to grow magical weight loss beans while harvesting eggs from a weight loss golden goose?

Let's not forget your intellectually dishonest statement from earlier:

"Forced vaccinations for a 99.8% survival rate ? Vaccines for children who are virtually unaffected by covid with almost no deaths ? I don't think it's crazy to see why some people aren't down with all of this and it's got nothing to do with Trump."

For someone who wants to dismiss COVID-19 with the intellectually dishonest value of "99.8% survival rate," you sure are concerned about it.

 

[Annisman*]

Ah, yes, the classical fallback position when you have nothing of value, we'll fix problem X with the free market economy! How? We don't know, the economy will figure it out! Sounds just like Trump's promise for a better healthcare plan.

Whether you like Krispy Kreme or not, the free market as already decided they are a viable private enterprise. Who are you to tell how people "live their lives?" That's your contradictory logic, not mine. I'm starting to suspect you don't practice what you preach...

When the pandemic started I took a hard look at me and my family's health. By the time a vaccine was being distributed I had lost 50lbs by simply changing my diet, I improved numerous health markers in the process as you can imagine.

You may not like my message but I assure you I practice it.

Do you think this is the last pandemic we will ever see ? If we make the vaccine out to be more than what it is (a band aid) we won't get ahead of the next virus.

 

[Annisman*]

Hilarious. I'm not the one claiming a vaccine with 95% efficacy is a "band-aid," while you try to promote some magical plan of addressing obesity will have the bigger effect. Those are your words, not mine. I'm still waiting for this magical plan. Are you going to grow magical weight loss beans while harvesting eggs from a weight loss golden goose?

Let's not forget your intellectually dishonest statement from earlier:

"Forced vaccinations for a 99.8% survival rate ? Vaccines for children who are virtually unaffected by covid with almost no deaths ? I don't think it's crazy to see why some people aren't down with all of this and it's got nothing to do with Trump."

For someone who wants to dismiss COVID-19 with the intellectually dishonest value of "99.8% survival rate," you sure are concerned about it.

Diet change is all we need.

I'm very concerned over the level of hysterics we've reached when we hear about vaccinating children when they're by all accounts safe.

 

[jman19]

Contact traced? I didn't know i had it and even if i known , i would not talk to them. I have no legal duty to tell the government anything.

You might be a sociopath.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Everyone please remember this:

Russian intelligence reportedly used fake news sites to spread misinformation about coronavirus vaccines

The sites stoked fears about whether Western vaccines were effective against the virus

www.theverge.com

Uncle Putin is not acting in your best interests

 

[weblooker2021]

You might be a sociopath.

Interesting, sociopath is defined as "a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience." While i have lack of conscience, i do not have an extreme antisocial attitudes. So i do not see how i could be sociopath.

 

[abj13]

When the pandemic started I took a hard look at me and my family's health. By the time a vaccine was being distributed I had lost 50lbs by simply changing my diet, I improved numerous health markers in the process as you can imagine.

You may not like my message but I assure you I practice it.

Do you think this is the last pandemic we will ever see ? If we make the vaccine out to be more than what it is (a band aid) we won't get ahead of the next virus.

Diet change is all we need.

I have no problems with the success you've had. It is admirable. It would be great that many others can take the same route.

However, you refuse the acknowledge reality. A "diet change is all we need" is not the solution. The MAJORITY of cases of COVID-19 will not be eliminated. The MAJORITY of the population has conditions that cannot simply addressed through behavior. The science has shown that overall, only 10.5% of COVID-19 cases can be attributed to obesity, controlling for other factors.

You claimed: "I can't overstate how important this is, if we were a healthier nation we'd be so much more successful with this virus." or "A large part of this is diet, something we can all change and something rarely discussed."
False

You know what will end the pandemic? A vaccine with up to 95% effectiveness. It isn't a "band-aid." It is a solution. Hey, what did you say about solutions? You wanted something by the free market? Seems like the free market has decided for you.

I'm very concerned over the level of hysterics we've reached when we hear about vaccinating children when they're by all accounts safe.

Tell that to the children who develop MIS-C. Or the children who develop myocarditis. While the transmission rates are lower in children, they are still an essential reservoir of the virus that put others at some risk. Are you completely unaware of these diseases?

 

[Annisman*]

I have no problems with the success you've had. It is admirable. It would be great that many others can take the same route.

However, you refuse the acknowledge reality. A "diet change is all we need" is not the solution. The MAJORITY of cases of COVID-19 will not be eliminated. The MAJORITY of the population has conditions that cannot simply addressed through behavior. The science has shown that overall, only 10.5% of COVID-19 cases can be attributed to obesity, controlling for other factors.

You claimed: "I can't overstate how important this is, if we were a healthier nation we'd be so much more successful with this virus." or "A large part of this is diet, something we can all change and something rarely discussed."
False

You know what will end the pandemic? A vaccine with up to 95% effectiveness. It isn't a "band-aid." It is a solution. Hey, what did you say about solutions? You wanted something by the free market? Seems like the free market has decided for you.



Tell that to the children who develop MIS-C. Or the children who develop myocarditis. While the transmission rates are lower in children, they are still an essential reservoir of the virus that put others at some risk. Are you completely unaware of these diseases?

We clearly see this through a different lens, I don't believe we are helpless without a vaccine and I think it's fair to say you do.

 

[JD50]

I'm loving how my stance on changing our health = NO VACCINE !!!!

I guess you'll see whatever you want in our conversation.

Diet change is all we need.

I'm very concerned over the level of hysterics we've reached when we hear about vaccinating children when they're by all accounts safe.

Less than 20 minutes apart lol.

 

[abj13]

We clearly see this through a different lens, I don't believe we are helpless without a vaccine and I think it's fair to say you do.

Claiming this discussion is just a different lens is absurd and completely intellectually dishonest. What this situation actually is consists of you failing to acknowledge reality. You specifically said just a few posts ago:

"Diet change is all we need."

Not only does scientific evidence contradict this statement, I have now asked you via multiple posts to describe how you plan to implement this "change."

You have no answer.

So which is it? Implement your magical plan you have failed to describe upon multiple requests, or use a vaccine that has 95% effectiveness?

 

[Commodus]

Diet change is all we need.

I'm very concerned over the level of hysterics we've reached when we hear about vaccinating children when they're by all accounts safe.

Sorry, but both claims are false and omit important context.

There have been healthy and even athletic people who've died or are suffering long-term effects. They may not be as common, but a healthy immune system is no guarantee you'll be safe. In fact, it can kill you if it triggers a cytokine storm and your body overreacts.

Like abj13 said, kids can suffer significant consequences as well.

And in both cases, you're overlooking something important: even if these people are asymptomatic, they can still serve as carriers. I've seen more than one story of people who got sick because a child, even an infant, passed the virus along from someone else.

Vaccines are not only more reliable defenses than your natural immune system (which doesn't last as long even if you've had an infection), there's mounting evidence they dramatically reduce transmission rates. Should we strive for improved diets and exercise? You bet. But that isn't nearly the armor you think it is, and we should use absolutely every tool in our arsenal if society is going to recover in a timely fashion.

 

[eelw]

We clearly see this through a different lens, I don't believe we are helpless without a vaccine and I think it's fair to say you do.

Yeah if the majority acted responsibily and took this seriously from the beginning, it would have never got this bad. But the majority are like the idiots on spring break in Florida. Can't wait to see the infections in 2-3 weeks

 

[weblooker2021]

Yeah if the majority acted responsibily and took this seriously from the beginning, it would have never got this bad. But the majority are like the idiots on spring break in Florida. Can't wait to see the infections in 2-3 weeks

Majority are sick and tired of government telling them what to do. As free Americans government do not tell us how to live our life.

 

[Commodus]

Majority are sick and tired of government telling them what to do. As free Americans government do not tell us how to live our life.

This isn't a free speech issue, it's basic public safety. You don't have the right to get other people sick, which you will if you ignore safety measures,