Do you think healthcare should be mandatory for America?

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why stop at healthcare? How about free food? A free car? A free Xbox 360 for all?

Let's just socialize everything please.

By that logic, why should education be free? We should get rid of that and privatize the entire thing.

There are certain stanrdards that a civilized society needs. One is an educated population, and the other a healthy population.

No matter how much money you throw at healthcare or how much the government holds your hand from cradle to death, the only way to improve the health of the general population is personal responsibility on their own part to exercise and eat healthy. This can be acheived with a low income.

I'm not talking about the very small percentage of people that are disabled. I'm talking about the masses of people that are in terrible shape because of their own choices.

By using the government to steal from the people that do take care of themselves, you are destroying economic liberty. You are taking away America and replacing it with tyranny by the masses.

The same goes for education. No matter how much money you throw at it, as long as our children have the general mentality of enititlement and a lack of competition, they will perform worse than schools in other nations that receive far less funding.

Which nation has better schools but receive less funding per capita?

We spend more money on Education per student than any other nation.

This is a fact, but how many students benefit at all from even some of those funds? Take a look at the plights of private vs public education and how much money goes toward each student and the employee/student ratio. It's a lot more complex than you may think. Increasing funds does not fix the problem because the funds never actually reach said problem. The funds go directly into the pockets of people that don't really deserve them.

We're one of the last modern nations to provide free public education at the university level. Think about the ramifications that this will have for the next 30 years if we don't change.

We also spend less money on science research than most nations. The gap is quickly closing between the technological master nation of the United States and the rest of the world. If America does not seek to invest in its future as much as other countries, then Americans can look forward to no longer being the leading superpower.

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
good idea, impossible to do. let's suposed every american is allotted (sp?) $10k for healthcare. that's $3 trillion for healthcare alone. care to find ways to more than double the budget without pissing every american off?

our healthcare might be expensive, but america has the best healthcare in the world for a reason (in terms of quality, not % population covered).

you dont need to give healthcare to every american. just maybe 10%, thats all.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why stop at healthcare? How about free food? A free car? A free Xbox 360 for all?

Let's just socialize everything please.

By that logic, why should education be free? We should get rid of that and privatize the entire thing.

There are certain stanrdards that a civilized society needs. One is an educated population, and the other a healthy population.

No matter how much money you throw at healthcare or how much the government holds your hand from cradle to death, the only way to improve the health of the general population is personal responsibility on their own part to exercise and eat healthy. This can be acheived with a low income.

I'm not talking about the very small percentage of people that are disabled. I'm talking about the masses of people that are in terrible shape because of their own choices.

By using the government to steal from the people that do take care of themselves, you are destroying economic liberty. You are taking away America and replacing it with tyranny by the masses.

The same goes for education. No matter how much money you throw at it, as long as our children have the general mentality of enititlement and a lack of competition, they will perform worse than schools in other nations that receive far less funding.

Which nation has better schools but receive less funding per capita?

We spend more money on Education per student than any other nation.

This is a fact, but how many students benefit at all from even some of those funds? Take a look at the plights of private vs public education and how much money goes toward each student and the employee/student ratio. It's a lot more complex than you may think. Increasing funds does not fix the problem because the funds never actually reach said problem. The funds go directly into the pockets of people that don't really deserve them.

We're one of the last modern nations to provide free public education at the university level. Think about the ramifications that this will have for the next 30 years if we don't change.

We also spend less money on science research than most nations. The gap is quickly closing between the technological master nation of the United States and the rest of the world. If America does not seek to invest in its future as much as other countries, then Americans can look forward to no longer being the leading superpower.

It doens't reach the student because teachers, and administrators rather the money go to their pockets. They have powerful unions who make this happen.

We are also one of the few modern nations that allow any one to go to college.

As for science research on a Per Capita basis we spend more than most nations.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Ornery

1. This is Third World Medicine

LOLOL i guess you don't know the concept of a biased website. Look where you're getting that information from. And right after that 'this is third world medicine', the radiologist stated that it's only going to get worst... when in fact it's gotten much better since then.

That site is 5 years old. My dad had an ulcer, and was scanned for stomach cancer within 48 hrs.

France counts cost of health reform

• The French look across the Atlantic with horror at the US model. They are almost as appalled by the British example. But the government knows the arithmetic is unanswerable. Sooner or later the sums will have to add up again.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: GALRLF
While you may buy your healthcare , I personally am offended by the remark about Medicaid. My mother , who received Medicaid , actually had to visit a Doctor (not ER) over what started out as , what seemed to be,a simple splinter. The end results was peritonitis. If not treated ,the result could have been the loss of her hand or possibly even death. Reconsider what you say before you speak. Who knows, it could have possibly been your own mother.

The peritoneum is located in the abdomen, not the hand.

 

[sonoma1993]

I think everyone in the United States should entitle to healthcare, in other words we should have a national health care system. We live in one of the greatest riches nation of the world, but yet we cant provide some kind of health care for everyone here?

 

[GALRLF]

Quote ----The peritoneum is located in the abdomen, not the hand.



Ok There always has to be a smart a$$ on here. Maybe I didn't get the exact name right. That is what I recalled , but realize that I am wrong. But the truth of the matter is all still the same. The situation did happen and the remarks made were very offensive.

 

[JDrake]

Originally posted by: JoPh
no.

 

[Jadow]

no

However I would not strongly oppose a National HSA with High deductible program.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Jadow
no

However I would not strongly oppose a National HSA with High deductible program.

I would, I currently have a $0 deductible, and it isn't right to lower my quality of healthcare just because somone else can't afford insurance for them self.

 

[Ornery]

...the remarks made very very offensive.

1. :roll:

The system is royally abused. From using ambulances frivolously to visiting the ER for sore throats. People who have to pay anything for these services don't do that.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: theman
its so easy for you people to say. as you sit at your computer, and watch tv, and go to your nice office job, and have a nice rich suburban house, and cute family, there are people out there who actually need help. its not their fault that they cant get a job because they are being hunted down by crack dealers trying to murder their families, they cant just say, "hey, you know what, today, im going to be rich!" There are a lot of serious social problems that you just dont seem to understand. hey, lets ban abortion because babies should be loved and taken care of. well, that may be possible for you to do if your daughter got pregnant, but think about the majority of the people that get abortions. a baby just drowns their hopes of ever coming out of poverty. the world isnt just black and white. there are a lot of different kinds of people. not just you.

"Being hunted down by crack dealers trying to murder their families... "???

Turn off the TV, little boy, you have that crayon-and-paste homework assignment to finish by Monday.

 

[sandorski]

US Healthcare Cost Increases

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sandorski
US Healthcare Cost Increases

Exactly what is your agenda, Canadian?

New technology - from diagnostic devices to surgical techniques - accounts for more than half the rise in total healthcare spending in the past three years, says Andrew Tilton, an economist at Goldman Sachs, an investment bank in New York.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: sandorski
US Healthcare Cost Increases

Cost increase, due to use of latest and greatest technology. We use the newest technology, unlike Canada.

 

[Staples]

Yes as long as there are private hospitals for those who make dumb arguments like, but quality will go down. Hey, you can pay if you want.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
US Healthcare Cost Increases

Exactly what is your agenda, Canadian?

New technology - from diagnostic devices to surgical techniques - accounts for more than half the rise in total healthcare spending in the past three years, says Andrew Tilton, an economist at Goldman Sachs, an investment bank in New York.

Agenda? Take your Meds.

Just discussing an issue. Got a problem with discussion?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Agenda? Take your Meds.

Just discussing an issue. Got a problem with discussion?

US healthcare costs have nothing to do with its semi-private nature, except that (and you missed this completely before) the threat of litigation keeps the private medical field on their toes to provide the highest quality of healthcare in the world.

I like the personal jab btw. "Take your meds." Very ironic from someone who claims to operate from altruistic intentions, and even more so if one considers the topic. Shows your truer side I would say

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Agenda? Take your Meds.

Just discussing an issue. Got a problem with discussion?

US healthcare costs have nothing to do with its semi-private nature, except that (and you missed this completely before) the threat of litigation keeps the private medical field on their toes to provide the highest quality of healthcare in the world.

I like the personal jab btw. "Take your meds." Very ironic from someone who claims to operate from altruistic intentions, and even more so if one considers the topic. Shows your truer side I would say

You jabbed, I jabbed back.

US worst in study of Medical Errors. Though the point is moot, as Litigation or threat of Litigation is not a major Cost in US Healthcare. You may want to read the article I posted previously to know the true reason for the high cost.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

Mandatory? How about this:

People should be FORCED to exercise, FORCED to eat right, FORCED to get regular check ups and FORCED to take all the medications they are prescribed. Otherwise, no one should be FORCED to foot the bill, doctors should not be FORCED to work for crumbs, we should not be FORCED to care for someone who doesn't take care of himself.

Mandatory my ass. You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to eat right and take care of yourself. Should you give up these rights, it can and will be used against you. Is that the world we want?

LIVE AND LET DIE, IS WHAT I SAY!

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: FrontlineWarrior
Mandatory? How about this:

People should be FORCED to exercise, FORCED to eat right, FORCED to get regular check ups and FORCED to take all the medications they are prescribed. Otherwise, no one should be FORCED to foot the bill, doctors should not be FORCED to work for crumbs, we should not be FORCED to care for someone who doesn't take care of himself.

Mandatory my ass. You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to eat right and take care of yourself. Should you give up these rights, it can and will be used against you. Is that the world we want?

LIVE AND LET DIE, IS WHAT I SAY!

:thumbsup:

 

[SeaSerpent]

I think it should be free for the elderly and maybe children under the age of 18.

 

[LiquidImpulse]

another reason why i love canada

 

[imported_rod]

Well, in Australia, there are two healthcare systems - public and private. Public is fairly basic and elective surgery may involve a long wait, but it provides all the essentials, and is funded 100% by the government. Private healthcare on the other-hand includes basically everything (dentist, optometrist etc...), and elective surgery is fast-tracked through private hospitals - you can often have your procedures carried out within the day, rather than the weeks/months it may take in the public system.

So basically, the public system only deals with serious/dangerous problems, while the private system deals with everything.

RoD

 

[VIAN]

yes, healthcare is a must.