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Looney

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Jun 13, 2000
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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why stop at healthcare? How about free food? A free car? A free Xbox 360 for all?

Let's just socialize everything please.

By that logic, why should education be free? We should get rid of that and privatize the entire thing.

There are certain stanrdards that a civilized society needs. One is an educated population, and the other a healthy population.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
Definately. Too many people work all day long and still can't pay for healthcare. And while we're at it, we impose an much larger income tax on the rich while lowering the tax on those who can't afford it.
Those people can't pay for healthcare because liberal lawyers have made themselves rich forcing the medical industry to attempt to acheive the impossible -- perfection. That is why healthcare in the US is so expensive. So-called "socialized" medicine in other countries sometimes costs less because the quality of their medical care is significantly less, while their incidence of (what we in the US would consider to be) malpractice is much higher. Lawyers can't as easily sue the government as they can private practices.

As to progressive taxation, that is like chasing your tail. It doesn't solve problems.
Meanwhile, "afford" is an emotional word. It means you'd rather spend the money on something else.

My BS detector just went ballistic! Good job.

I've seen you and many others get totally shot down on the whole "Legal Costs" issue before that I won't even bother.

Significantly less quality in other "Socialist" nations? Must be why they typically have better results regarding Health compared to the US.
 

Red Dawn

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The Rich can afford it and the Poor get it for free. It's the Middle Class who gets fscked over it.
 

Ornery

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: sandorski

Significantly less quality in other "Socialist" nations? Must be why they typically have better results regarding Health compared to the US.
Originally posted by: acole1

Um... NO! Like redly1 said... the government is incapable of providing high quality service. Just look at great Brittan. My mother is from there and you should hear the horror stories from her and some other relatives who still live in that government run medical system...
 

TheToOTaLL

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Oct 7, 2001
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No.

I think that the dumbasses that sue doctors and hospitals for stupid reasons should be made to pay for those lawsuits, and then thrown in prision for trying to defraud an industry that's put there to help them in the first place. Do you really think doctors and nurses go to school for decades and pay tens of thousands of dollars for their education just to behave like fast food workers?

I also think that the drug addicts (ie, meth heads, etc) with no insurance that overdose should be turned away and left to fend for themselves. If they think I should have to pay for someone else's stupidity in the long run with even higher costs, think again.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: sandorski

Significantly less quality in other "Socialist" nations? Must be why they typically have better results regarding Health compared to the US.
Originally posted by: acole1

Um... NO! Like redly1 said... the government is incapable of providing high quality service. Just look at great Brittan. My mother is from there and you should hear the horror stories from her and some other relatives who still live in that government run medical system...

The end results showed by Demographics trumps some unknown individuals opinion.
 

tooltime

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i think it needs to be improved for sure and be made available to those who cannot afford it.

i like canada's form but it is not without their own problems, a lot of canadians come here when the have urgent medical needs (ie breast cancer and cannot wait 16 weeks in canada for treatment to begin)
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: tooltime
i think it needs to be improved for sure and be made available to those who cannot afford it.

i like canada's form but it is not without their own problems, a lot of canadians come here when the have urgent medical needs (ie breast cancer and cannot wait 16 weeks in canada for treatment to begin)

France and Germany have the best systems. No waits at all, everyone is covered, and cheaper than most systems. Half the Cost of the US system.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Ornery

  1. I take it they're all up to date now, eh? :roll:

    Strike over French health reforms

Yup, I didn't say they were perfect. ;) The article doesn't say much to support your position. US Healthcare is also in crisis as it is elsewhere. France's restructuring I wasn't aware of. but the cause of that restructuring is the same from Europe to Canada to the US, increased Drug/Treatment Costs. The main difference between Europe and the US isn't in the Healthcare Quality, but in the fact that in the European Systems there is 100% coverage of the Population.
 

Ornery

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Oct 9, 1999
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HillaryCare was rejected, and I wish to hell Social Security had been as well. Our "world owes me a living" Socialists are hell bent on fvcking this country up once and for all. I don't care if they fvck themselves trying to get something for nothing, but I'll be damned if they're going to drag me down with them, without a fight!
 

theMan

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Mar 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: broon
No. Americans should get of their lazy butts and work for it.

ok, so, employers have to pay for health insurance. thats a great idea! lets see, weve got ford, and GM going bankrupt, how can they possibly pay health insurance? so, they try to, and it runs the company into the ground. so, how do these people work for it now? when tens of thousands of jobs are lost? if we could just switch a 100 billion dollars over to healthcare, the economy would grow strong again, since employers would not have to provide insurance. it doesnt seem like the taxpayers are that concerned if we are trying to build 100 million dollar bridges to an uninhabitted island in Alsaska, or spend 100 billion a year on the war in iraq.

The system doesnt have to cover everybody. just enough to take the load of employers who cant handle it. the only other option is to begin just turning people down at the hospital. The USA is supposed to be "the greatest country on earth" so why dont we act like it for once.
 

theMan

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Originally posted by: Ornery
HillaryCare was rejected, and I wish to hell Social Security had been as well. Our "world owes me a living" Socialists are hell bent on fvcking this country up once and for all. I don't care if they fvck themselves trying to get something for nothing, but I'll be damned if they're going to drag me down with them, without a fight!

ok, what a great idea! lets get rid of Social Security, and have people put money into non FDIC covered bank accounts!!! YAY! lets go back to 1929! why cant people ever learn from history?
 

Ornery

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The USA is supposed to be "the greatest country on earth" so why dont we act like it for once.

Too many of its citizens are freeloaders who would rather have "the rich" pay their way for them. We should concentrate on making the climate ripe for more new businesses, which can hire people, who will be able to buy their own insurance.

Social Security is an abortion that should never have existed in the first place.
 

theMan

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Mar 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: Ornery
The USA is supposed to be "the greatest country on earth" so why dont we act like it for once.

Too many of its citizens are freeloaders who would rather have "the rich" pay their way for them. We should concentrate on making the climate ripe for more new businesses, which can hire people, who will be able to buy their own insurance.

Social Security is an abortion that should never have existed in the first place.

you cant live in a dream world. businesses cannot afford to pay health care to their employees. imagine what it would do to the economy if just some of the strain was taken off businesses. and, the private health care system is not reliable at all. the business has a pension plan, and a healthcare plan, and all they have to do is go to bankruptcy court, and they dont owe a penny to any one of their workers.

and, so you are saying that Herbert Hoover should have been re-elected in 1932? oh, that would have been great! lets see, how much of a mess would this country have been in? maybe you should have payed attension in history class, instead of just listening to Rush and Bill O'reilly.
 

Ornery

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...more new businesses, which can hire people, who will be able to buy their own insurance.

That means employees who pay for their own health insurance, just like they pay their own home, and car insurance.
 

aidanjm

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Aug 9, 2004
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Yes. I also believe that Americans should be forced to pay for health care for the rest of the world (Arica, South America, South East Asia).
 

theMan

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Mar 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Yes. I also believe that Americans should be forced to pay for health care for the rest of the world (Arica, South America, South East Asia).

that would be ok, but at the very least we could stop invading their countries, eh?
 

Legend

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Apr 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why stop at healthcare? How about free food? A free car? A free Xbox 360 for all?

Let's just socialize everything please.

By that logic, why should education be free? We should get rid of that and privatize the entire thing.

There are certain stanrdards that a civilized society needs. One is an educated population, and the other a healthy population.

No matter how much money you throw at healthcare or how much the government holds your hand from cradle to death, the only way to improve the health of the general population is personal responsibility on their own part to exercise and eat healthy. This can be acheived with a low income.

I'm not talking about the very small percentage of people that are disabled. I'm talking about the masses of people that are in terrible shape because of their own choices.

By using the government to steal from the people that do take care of themselves, you are destroying economic liberty. You are taking away America and replacing it with tyranny by the masses.




The same goes for education. No matter how much money you throw at it, as long as our children have the general mentality of enititlement and a lack of competition, they will perform worse than schools in other nations that receive far less funding.
 

DVK916

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Dec 12, 2005
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Yes. I also believe that Americans should be forced to pay for health care for the rest of the world (Arica, South America, South East Asia).


Maybe Australians should pay for it.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
Definately. Too many people work all day long and still can't pay for healthcare. And while we're at it, we impose an much larger income tax on the rich while lowering the tax on those who can't afford it.
Those people can't pay for healthcare because liberal lawyers have made themselves rich forcing the medical industry to attempt to acheive the impossible -- perfection. That is why healthcare in the US is so expensive. So-called "socialized" medicine in other countries sometimes costs less because the quality of their medical care is significantly less, while their incidence of (what we in the US would consider to be) malpractice is much higher. Lawyers can't as easily sue the government as they can private practices.

As to progressive taxation, that is like chasing your tail. It doesn't solve problems.
Meanwhile, "afford" is an emotional word. It means you'd rather spend the money on something else.

My BS detector just went ballistic! Good job.

I've seen you and many others get totally shot down on the whole "Legal Costs" issue before that I won't even bother.

Significantly less quality in other "Socialist" nations? Must be why they typically have better results regarding Health compared to the US.

Come back to reality, eh?