Do you think healthcare should be mandatory for America?

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: UNESC0
some Canadians who have the financial resources are able to go to the US for healthcare if they don't want to wait. It costs and "arm and a leg" though. If you can't pay you're still going to get that knee surgery or heart operation though.

What happens in the US when someone can't pay for a life-saving operation?

No, you will likely die waiting for a heart operation in Canada because over 90% of Canadian heart specialists have stated that they give preferential treatment to the social elite. The Canadian system forces the poor to pay for the preferential health care of the rich.

Also in some places in Canada if you need an MRI done, you have to drive hours to different city to get it done. Very few MRIs in Canada and basically 0 PET scaners.

While were on the topic of accurate statistics:
24 PET scanners in Canada Link
151 MRIs in Canada Link

And I'm not sure if you live in Canada "CanOWorms" but on more than one occassion I've had the displeasure of reading your opinion of Canada. It's not only grossly misinformed but utterly laughable.

 

[ts3433]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
If you think healthcare if expensive now, wait until it's free and every trailer park and housing project druggy goes to the doctor for every ache and pain and you, the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

Tragedy of the commons indeed. I'm not in favor of a universal health care program here in the US.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: UNESC0
some Canadians who have the financial resources are able to go to the US for healthcare if they don't want to wait. It costs and "arm and a leg" though. If you can't pay you're still going to get that knee surgery or heart operation though.

What happens in the US when someone can't pay for a life-saving operation?

No, you will likely die waiting for a heart operation in Canada because over 90% of Canadian heart specialists have stated that they give preferential treatment to the social elite. The Canadian system forces the poor to pay for the preferential health care of the rich.

Also in some places in Canada if you need an MRI done, you have to drive hours to different city to get it done. Very few MRIs in Canada and basically 0 PET scaners.

While were on the topic of accurate statistics:
24 PET scanners in Canada https://www.ccohta.ca/hta/health_technology_update/issue1/PET_scanner_update.cfm">Link</a>
151 MRIs in Canada Link

And I'm not sure if you live in Canada "CanOWorms" but on more than one occassion I've had the displeasure of reading your opinion of Canada. It's not only grossly misinformed but utterly laughable.

I don't care how many Canada has really but do those statistics really refute what he said?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: UNESC0
some Canadians who have the financial resources are able to go to the US for healthcare if they don't want to wait. It costs and "arm and a leg" though. If you can't pay you're still going to get that knee surgery or heart operation though.

What happens in the US when someone can't pay for a life-saving operation?

No, you will likely die waiting for a heart operation in Canada because over 90% of Canadian heart specialists have stated that they give preferential treatment to the social elite. The Canadian system forces the poor to pay for the preferential health care of the rich.

Also in some places in Canada if you need an MRI done, you have to drive hours to different city to get it done. Very few MRIs in Canada and basically 0 PET scaners.

While were on the topic of accurate statistics:
24 PET scanners in Canada https://www.ccohta.ca/hta/health_technology_update/issue1/PET_scanner_update.cfm">Link</a>
151 MRIs in Canada Link

And I'm not sure if you live in Canada "CanOWorms" but on more than one occassion I've had the displeasure of reading your opinion of Canada. It's not only grossly misinformed but utterly laughable.

I don't care how many Canada has really but do those statistics really refute what he said?

Rofl, for real. 151 MRIs in ALL of Canada?

 

[RCN]

Rofl, for real. 151 MRIs in ALL of Canada?

Exactly.

In comparison there are about 25 within 15 miles of me. Probably more.

Edit: I'm sure there are places in the US where you would have to drive a couple hours though.

http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/dispPage.jsp?cw_page=media_13jan2005_e

"Canada ranks below OECD median in MRI and CT scanners per million people

Canada continues to rank below the midpoint among OECD countries for the number of MRI scanners and CT scanners per million population. Canada ranked thirteenth among the 20 OECD countries reporting MRI data for the latest year comparable data was available. Canada reported 4.6 MRI scanners per million, while Japan and the United States had the highest number with 35.3 and 19.5 per million, respectively. The median was 6.1. Canada was in sixteenth place among the 21 OECD countries reporting data on CT scanners, with 10.3 per million population. Japan and Korea had the highest number at 92.6 and 30.9 per million, respectively. The median was 13.3."

 

[KK]

Fvck no. Only hillary assholes would.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: UNESC0

While were on the topic of accurate statistics:
24 PET scanners in Canada https://www.ccohta.ca/hta/health_technology_update/issue1/PET_scanner_update.cfm">Link</a>
151 MRIs in Canada Link

And I'm not sure if you live in Canada "CanOWorms" but on more than one occassion I've had the displeasure of reading your opinion of Canada. It's not only grossly misinformed but utterly laughable.

On more than once occassion I've had the displeasure of reading your opinion of Canada. It's not only grossly misinformed but utterly laughable.

The truth about Canada's ailing health-care system

Another casualty of the lengthy waiting periods is Canada's much-vaunted equal access to medical treatment. Even though medical emergencies allow some people to jump ahead in the waiting line ? making others wait longer ? a survey published in the Annals of Internal Medicine medical journal found that more than 90 percent of heart specialists had "been involved in the care of a patient who received preferential access" to cardiac care because of non-medical reasons including the patient's social standing or personal connections with the treating physician.

If you read the article, you'll notice that about 200 people died in Ontario waiting for a coronary artery bypass graft because they were refused treatment or put on the waiting list too long. Too bad they weren't a member of the social elite.

 

[gooseman]

Absolutely not.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: UNESC0
some Canadians who have the financial resources are able to go to the US for healthcare if they don't want to wait. It costs and "arm and a leg" though. If you can't pay you're still going to get that knee surgery or heart operation though.

What happens in the US when someone can't pay for a life-saving operation?

No, you will likely die waiting for a heart operation in Canada because over 90% of Canadian heart specialists have stated that they give preferential treatment to the social elite. The Canadian system forces the poor to pay for the preferential health care of the rich.

Also in some places in Canada if you need an MRI done, you have to drive hours to different city to get it done. Very few MRIs in Canada and basically 0 PET scaners.

While were on the topic of accurate statistics:
24 PET scanners in Canada https://www.ccohta.ca/hta/health_technology_update/issue1/PET_scanner_update.cfm">Link</a>
151 MRIs in Canada Link

And I'm not sure if you live in Canada "CanOWorms" but on more than one occassion I've had the displeasure of reading your opinion of Canada. It's not only grossly misinformed but utterly laughable.

Guess what the majority of those PET Scanners are private owned in Canada. Sure I was mistaken about there being zero, but fact is most people in Canada cannot get a PET scan if they need one.

Guess how many MRI machines we have in the U.S nearly 5000.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Vic
I want the taxpayers to buy me a brand new car every year.

A car is probably more of a need than healthcare in the US. In most places, you couldn't even get to a doctor's office without a car. You may be on to something!

Transportation is a right!

 

[Legend]

Hell no.

Unless you've got some very unusual problem, pay for your own medical treatment. You are not entitled to use the government to steal other people's money.

The whole concept of health right now is completely fvcked in this nation. Rather than eat healthy and exercise regularly, people keep getting more and more prescriptions which typically just mask your body's cry for help.

 

[CheesePoofs]

Definately. Too many people work all day long and still can't pay for healthcare. And while we're at it, we impose an much larger income tax on the rich while lowering the tax on those who can't afford it.

 

[Legend]

^ Exactly the type of entitlement/socialism that led me to the libertarian party. You are destroying America with your greed.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson


Health doesn't cost you ******. Exercise is free. Fruits/vegtables/lean meats, etc are easily afforded with a typical $8/hr salary. Instead people think they're entitled to fast food, junk food (which is more expensive), no exercise, and a "health" care program that steals from the public and uses drugs to inhibit the symptoms of their decaying bodies.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
Definately. Too many people work all day long and still can't pay for healthcare. And while we're at it, we impose an much larger income tax on the rich while lowering the tax on those who can't afford it.

Those people can't pay for healthcare because liberal lawyers have made themselves rich forcing the medical industry to attempt to acheive the impossible -- perfection. That is why healthcare in the US is so expensive. So-called "socialized" medicine in other countries sometimes costs less because the quality of their medical care is significantly less, while their incidence of (what we in the US would consider to be) malpractice is much higher. Lawyers can't as easily sue the government as they can private practices.

As to progressive taxation, that is like chasing your tail. It doesn't solve problems.
Meanwhile, "afford" is an emotional word. It means you'd rather spend the money on something else.

 

[RU482]

put healthcare in control of the government...Hmmm, sorry, no thanks. Have you NOT ever been to the DOT, post office, court, or tried to get urgent help from the police? Not exactly the shining example of efficiency.

Employer provided healthcare...100% with no expense to the employee...Hmm, pay for it on the front end or pay for it on the back end.

THERE ARE NO FREE RIDES...sorry, this isn't our parents america where everything was up up up and we could do no wrong

 

[acole1]

Um... NO! Like redly1 said... the government is incapable of providing high quality service. Just look at great Brittan. My mother is from there and you should hear the horror stories from her and some other relatives who still live in that government run medical system.

My grandparents and aunt were in a horrible car wreck where a driver ran a red light and hit them... he died. My family members were severely injured and it is a miracle they are still alive! My grandfather underwent multiple reconstructive surgeries on his face and had pins put in his arms and legs. Thankfully he recovered well. My aunt didn?t have such good luck. Because of the horrible and dirty medical environment she got a staff infection in her leg, and to this day struggles with one leg being almost 2" shorter than the other.

To further show how proficient they were in fixing her up I will point out that just last year (20+ years after the accident) she had been complaining about pains in her sinuses, nose, and face. Doctors here did x-rays and found that she still had glass in her face from the wreck! The doctors didn?t even clean it out! *shiver*

I told you all this to make the point that whenever you move towards a socialist system with things like government funded healthcare you get the worst possible service. How long ago did communism fall? And we still want to slide back into the want for the government to solve all our problems....

 

[Penth]

Absolutely not
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[Ornery]

Originally posted by: acole1

...How long ago did communism fall? And we still want to slide back into the want for the government to solve all our problems...

Some of us slept through those lessons.

 

[car3]

yes

 

[Willoughbyva]

I don't know where you guys live, but at my local hospital they won't treat you unless it is life or death situation. People go in for chest pains and stuff all the time and are turned away. I think that health care should be mandatory in this day and age. Of course I am biased because I have health issues and need the care.

Perry

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: Vic

Meanwhile, "afford" is an emotional word. It means you'd rather spend the money on something else.

1. 1. 1. 1. :thumbsup:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Not really. I just see successful nationalized health care programs in the rest of the first world. America is the only country greedy and foolish enough to go without.

Show me another country with 300,000,000 people (like America) and has a successful nationalized healthcare system. Come on, I dare you.

Especially one that is flooded with poor immigrants (like America).

That point is completely Moot. Population has no affect on Cost, because the overall Cost is not important, the Cost Per Person is important. No matter where you go, there is Cost Per Person. Each population of differing sizes has similar Diseases, Treatment, Drugs, and every other thing associated with Healthcare. Unless you can show that a greater Population is somehow more prone for need of Healthcare, you have no point.

I would even go further and say, due to Economies of Scale, the US could probably do it cheaper because of their its' Population. Not that I truly believe that, but it is more likely to go that way than become less affordable.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
The answer to sh!tty healthcare is not sh!ttier healthcare.

QFT

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Originally posted by: broon
No. Americans should get of their lazy butts and work for it.

ftw