Do you think healthcare should be mandatory for America?

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Not really. I just see successful nationalized health care programs in the rest of the first world. America is the only country greedy and foolish enough to go without.

Show me another country with 300,000,000 people (like America) and has a successful nationalized healthcare system. Come on, I dare you.

Especially one that is flooded with poor immigrants (like America).

 

[Toonces]

I enjoy living in Ontario being covered under OHIP - there's a high amount of money spent on providing healthcare but for the vast majority of Canadians healthcare is viewed as a basic human right and a major aspect of what the federal government should pay for from our taxes.

Government-led healthcare has many more benefits than one might think; currently many new auto manufacturing plants are being built here in southern Ontario simply because the premiums charged by the Provincial government for healthcare costs are much much less than similar insurance costs in the United States.

U.S. Health Care Paperwork Cost $294.3 Billion in 1999 Far More Than in Canada - New England Journal of Medicine

the government of Canada spent $1533 (in US dollars) per person on health care, while the United States government spent $2168 - Wikipedia

Edit:
You can't because there aren't any other western democracies with 300 million people. I assume you're trying to say that the US situation is unique, unquestionably. However, that said it's impossible for someone to point to tennessee and say it proves universal healthcare is flawed by your same argument.

It would be impossible for social/political staticians to make any relevant comparisons if both groups had to have the exact same set of characteristics. It will never happen and one must make estimated and measured inferences in order to draw meaningful conclusions.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Not really. I just see successful nationalized health care programs in the rest of the first world. America is the only country greedy and foolish enough to go without.

Show me another country with 300,000,000 people (like America) and has a successful nationalized healthcare system. Come on, I dare you.

Especially one that is flooded with poor immigrants (like America).

Very few countries with >300,000,000 people, and most are 3rd world countries, so I can't, sorry. Doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be done. Our private care model is horrible.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: UNESC0
I enjoy living in Ontario being covered under OHIP - there's a high amount of money spent on providing healthcare but for the vast majority of Canadians healthcare is viewed as a basic human right and a major aspect of what the federal government should pay for from our taxes.

Government-led healthcare has many more benefits than one might think; currently many new auto manufacturing plants are being built here in southern Ontario simply because the premiums charged by the Provincial government for healthcare costs are much much less than similar insurance costs in the United States.

U.S. Health Care Paperwork Cost $294.3 Billion in 1999 Far More Than in Canada - New England Journal of Medicine

the government of Canada spent $1533 (in US dollars) per person on health care, while the United States government spent $2168 - Wikipedia

People in Canada don't have any idea as to what the demographics of America is like.

We are not Canada. There is a reason your crime rates are so much lower and it has nothing to do with the government.

America is very large and very diverse. We don't have the same situation as all these other whitebread socialist countries with 10 million people. It's a different game here.

I'm not pointing fingers at any groups of people or whatever, I'm just saying problems need to be dealt with differently here.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Very few countries with >300,000,000 people, and most are 3rd world countries, so I can't, sorry. Doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be done. Our private care model is horrible.

Then don't look over the Europe and find some little Nordic country with 5 million people (ever looked up the populations of some of those countries? Most have less than 10 million people) and compare it to America. It's apples and oranges.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: UNESC0
I enjoy living in Ontario being covered under OHIP - there's a high amount of money spent on providing healthcare but for the vast majority of Canadians healthcare is viewed as a basic human right and a major aspect of what the federal government should pay for from our taxes.

Government-led healthcare has many more benefits than one might think; currently many new auto manufacturing plants are being built here in southern Ontario simply because the premiums charged by the Provincial government for healthcare costs are much much less than similar insurance costs in the United States.

U.S. Health Care Paperwork Cost $294.3 Billion in 1999 Far More Than in Canada - New England Journal of Medicine

the government of Canada spent $1533 (in US dollars) per person on health care, while the United States government spent $2168 - Wikipedia

Edit:
You can't because there aren't any other western democracies with 300 million people. I assume you're trying to say that the US situation is unique, unquestionably. However, that said it's impossible for someone to point to tennessee and say it proves universal healthcare is flawed by your same argument.

It would be impossible for social/political staticians to make any relevant comparisons if both groups had to have the exact same set of characteristics. It will never happen and one must make estimated and measured inferences in order to draw meaningful conclusions.

There are things we have in the U.S that you don't get in Canada because of your National Health Care system. If you needed a PET scan you can't get on in Canada, but in the U.S you can.

 

[unsped]

medical care should be a basic right of an industrialized country. republican greed creates inhumane living for many.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: unsped
medical care should be a basic right of an industrialized country. republican greed creates inhumane living for many.

:roll:

 

[Excelsior]

I agree with what JLGatsby has said so far.

 

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

We don't have the same situation as all these other whitebread socialist countries with 10 million people.

I'm not pointing fingers at any groups of people or whatever, I'm just saying problems need to be dealt with differently here.

Haha, Canada is a "whitebread socialist country" and therefore cannot be compared to the US? There's about 32million people here, 10% of your population and we share similar demographics as the United States - Toronto is the most diverse city in the world as a matter of fact.
42.8% of Toronto's population being of a visible minority - Wikipedia

Most Americans define "white" to exclude all Hispanics, even those of foreign European descent. Using that definition, the white proportion of the US population is currently at 69.1% - Wiki, again

so, 57.2% of Toronto is white while 69.1% of the US is - there's many minorities who are contributing to society up here. Don't start your polite racist views that it's the fault of immigration that's preventing American adoption of universal healthcare.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

We don't have the same situation as all these other whitebread socialist countries with 10 million people.

I'm not pointing fingers at any groups of people or whatever, I'm just saying problems need to be dealt with differently here.

Haha, Canada is a "whitebread socialist country" and therefore cannot be compared to the US? There's about 32million people here, 10% of your population and we share similar demographics as the United States - Toronto is the most diverse city in the world as a matter of fact.
42.8% of Toronto's population being of a visible minority - Wikipedia

Most Americans define "white" to exclude all Hispanics, even those of foreign European descent. Using that definition, the white proportion of the US population is currently at 69.1% - Wiki, again

so, 57.2% of Toronto is white while 69.1% of the US is - there's many minorities who are contributing to society up here. Don't start your polite racist views that it's the fault of immigration that's preventing American adoption of universal healthcare.

I had no idea that millions of mexicans have illegally crossed the border into Canada.


Oh wait...:roll:

 

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

We don't have the same situation as all these other whitebread socialist countries with 10 million people.

I'm not pointing fingers at any groups of people or whatever, I'm just saying problems need to be dealt with differently here.

Haha, Canada is a "whitebread socialist country" and therefore cannot be compared to the US? There's about 32million people here, 10% of your population and we share similar demographics as the United States - Toronto is the most diverse city in the world as a matter of fact.
42.8% of Toronto's population being of a visible minority - Wikipedia

Most Americans define "white" to exclude all Hispanics, even those of foreign European descent. Using that definition, the white proportion of the US population is currently at 69.1% - Wiki, again

so, 57.2% of Toronto is white while 69.1% of the US is - there's many minorities who are contributing to society up here. Don't start your polite racist views that it's the fault of immigration that's preventing American adoption of universal healthcare.

I had no idea that millions of mexicans have illegally crossed the border into Canada.


Oh wait...:roll:

And your point is what? Our visible minorities are not mexican and therefore better? We have just as many from the same countries as the US. So it's Latin Americans who are at fault? :disgust:

 

[KarenMarie]

No.

But then again, i also believe that those who CAN work, but dont... should get nothing.

 

[Engineer]

People (like me) who buy healthcare in the US never go unless absolutely necessary as my deductibles and co-pays are so frigging high. People who get free healthcare (medicaid and the likes) go to the ER for a splinter or any other little thing. Something seems wrong with that picture, doesn't it?

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

We don't have the same situation as all these other whitebread socialist countries with 10 million people.

I'm not pointing fingers at any groups of people or whatever, I'm just saying problems need to be dealt with differently here.

Haha, Canada is a "whitebread socialist country" and therefore cannot be compared to the US? There's about 32million people here, 10% of your population and we share similar demographics as the United States - Toronto is the most diverse city in the world as a matter of fact.
42.8% of Toronto's population being of a visible minority - Wikipedia

Most Americans define "white" to exclude all Hispanics, even those of foreign European descent. Using that definition, the white proportion of the US population is currently at 69.1% - Wiki, again

so, 57.2% of Toronto is white while 69.1% of the US is - there's many minorities who are contributing to society up here. Don't start your polite racist views that it's the fault of immigration that's preventing American adoption of universal healthcare.

Your comparing a city to a whole nation.

Over 80% of Canada is White.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

We don't have the same situation as all these other whitebread socialist countries with 10 million people.

I'm not pointing fingers at any groups of people or whatever, I'm just saying problems need to be dealt with differently here.

Haha, Canada is a "whitebread socialist country" and therefore cannot be compared to the US? There's about 32million people here, 10% of your population and we share similar demographics as the United States - Toronto is the most diverse city in the world as a matter of fact.
42.8% of Toronto's population being of a visible minority - Wikipedia

Most Americans define "white" to exclude all Hispanics, even those of foreign European descent. Using that definition, the white proportion of the US population is currently at 69.1% - Wiki, again

so, 57.2% of Toronto is white while 69.1% of the US is - there's many minorities who are contributing to society up here. Don't start your polite racist views that it's the fault of immigration that's preventing American adoption of universal healthcare.

I had no idea that millions of mexicans have illegally crossed the border into Canada.


Oh wait...:roll:

And your point is what? Our visible minorities are not mexican and therefore better? We have just as many from the same countries as the US. So it's Latin Americans who are at fault? :disgust:

Wow.

"there's many minorities who are contributing to society up here."

Of course there are, and I bet you that 90 percent or more are there LEGALLY.

 

[CanOWorms]

Canadians don't have access to health care, they have access to a waiting list. And it's been proven to provide preferential treatment to the social elite.

I'd like all Americans to have "free" healthcare, lamborghinis, and billions of dollars, but I just don't think it would work well.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: UNESC0
Haha, Canada is a "whitebread socialist country" and therefore cannot be compared to the US? There's about 32million people here, 10% of your population and we share similar demographics as the United States - Toronto is the most diverse city in the world as a matter of fact.
42.8% of Toronto's population being of a visible minority - Wikipedia

Most Americans define "white" to exclude all Hispanics, even those of foreign European descent. Using that definition, the white proportion of the US population is currently at 69.1% - Wiki, again

so, 57.2% of Toronto is white while 69.1% of the US is - there's many minorities who are contributing to society up here. Don't start your polite racist views that it's the fault of immigration that's preventing American adoption of universal healthcare.

Guess again buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

Canada only has large numbers of Asians, who have a culture that benefits the country of Canada.

Most Canadians don't even know with a "ghetto" or "drive by shooting" is.

And don't call me racist until you've experienced the worst of America and are able to comprehend it's problems. It's not just minority populations. We have large populations of white people who are decendants of very poor immigrants, which still to this day are unable to break the cycle of poverty their ancestors were entrapped in 150 years ago.

You Canadians can sit up there in your log cabins, watching hockey on a rocking chair, saying "eh...eh" "how are you eh" to each other, but don't pretend you know what America is all about.

 

[Toonces]

80% of Canada is "white"
while 70% of the US is "white", a big difference? I'd say not but that's opinion.

so it's the illegality of immigrants that's in question - okay now you're making more sense. Any evidence about the amounts of illegal immigrants in the US? Wouldn't using census numbers be rather misleading... how can anyone get an accurate picture?

You Canadians can sit up there in your log cabins, watching hockey on a rocking chair, saying "eh...eh" "how are you eh" to each other, but don't pretend you know what America is all about.

I'm just about to sit down to watch the hockey game - although it may be the irony that made me smile.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: UNESC0
80% of Canada is "white"
while 70% of the US is "white", a big difference? I'd say not but that's opinion.

Of the 20% that is not white in Canada, what races are they?

Compare that to America, it's not the same.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

No.

Why in the hell do people think it cost so damn much now?

Simple, when it stopped coming directly from your pocket you forgot that it cost real money.

Everyone can get treatment at a hospital regardless of income.


Canada's Healthcare SUCKS!!!. Two different friends of the family came to the states for treatment because they could not get timely treatment there. We aren't talking about cosmetic, one was knee surgery - already had to use crutches because of delays, and the other went for heart work. Heart work! His own doctor told him it was better to spend the money and go to the states because he wasn't sure if he would make it. (Iow - he had anywhere from months to years to live - but who wants to live with a gun to their head?)


Besides, Canada's healthcare has gotten worse and is falling apart. In case you missed it they publish this same information all the time. It even came up in the election.

 

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: UNESC0
80% of Canada is "white"
while 70% of the US is "white", a big difference? I'd say not but that's opinion.

Of the 20% that is not white in Canada, what races are they?

Compare that to America, it's not the same.

Chinese, Indo Canadians, and Blacks - in that order.

 

[OS]

it will be interesting to see with the retiring baby boomers which system breaks first.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: unsped
medical care should be a basic right of an industrialized country. republican greed creates inhumane living for many.

I deal with the folks most likely to "need" it everyday. They don't have any fvcking right to my money even though most of them are spending it anyway through medicaid, stamps, EIC, etc.

Why should I pay for the folks that can't use birth control, thought school wasn't school, have nicer sh!t than I have, smoke two packs a day @ $3.50+ a pack, grocery shop at convenience stores using EBT, buy beer with the cash they made "under the table", smoke a quarter+ a week, spend there tax returns/ EIC on big screens and rims, and worst of all have absolutely no desire to change any of it and pass their "values" to their 50 kids.

 

[Toonces]

some Canadians who have the financial resources are able to go to the US for healthcare if they don't want to wait. It costs and "arm and a leg" though. If you can't pay you're still going to get that knee surgery or heart operation though.

What happens in the US when someone can't pay for a life-saving operation?