Fingolfin269
Lifer
- Feb 28, 2003
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Why stop at healthcare? How about free food? A free car? A free Xbox 360 for all?
Let's just socialize everything please.
Let's just socialize everything please.
Hell the county of Los Angeles has almost twice as many minorities in absolute numbers as Canada, around 5.5 million compared to just over 3 million for all of Canada.
Chinese generally have a culture that is very beneficial to society. Even in America, they work hard and value education.
I'll be very blunt with you. Our ancestors, the white Americans of 100 plus years ago, treated it's black people like crap. We did not give them education and opportunity.
Now we have large populations of African Americans with issues. You Canadians don't know what it's like to have neighborhoods so dangerous you cannot even drive through. We have such neighborhoods. Really I'm not blaming the black populations, it was our white ancestors which caused the cycle of poverty, but I'm just pointing out the problems. I'm not here to blame anyone.
We also have large populations of decendants of poor immigrants. America took in some of the poorest people in the world in the 1800s. Many of these Euro descendants still have not broken that cycle of poverty. The poorest have always come to America. Irish Famine, poor Germans, Italians, etc. Most still have no broken that cycle of poverty.
Don't bash my opinions until you've been carjacked, robbed, or had the neighborhood you grew up in trashed by poor people. Happens constantly in America.
Canada has very very few of the same cultures of people America does. We have gangster rap music, gangs, white motorcycle gangs, drugs are everywhere, people are out of control here. It's not really even about the demographics, it's about the overall culture.
Canadians listen to rap music for fun, listening about guns and drugs because it's like a movie, like The Godfather. In America, a lot of people listen to it because it's how they grew up. It's just a music video to you, but it's real life for millions in America and the people who wrote the music. Canada has very very few of those sort of people.
America is a land of extremes.
They get the operation in most cases. If it isn't picked up by some social program they are obligated to pay which could cause financial problems but that is why insurance is important.
The cost of insurance isn't the problem imo. People put to many "wants" before their "needs" in most cases.
...healthcare is viewed as a basic human right...
Hah! Therein lies the rub. Our Communist/Leftcoast/Blue State/Socialists feel EVERYTHING is their "basic human right"!
The same old players advocating the same old ideas in the same old ways...
Hah! Therein lies the rub. Our Communist/Leftcoast/Blue State/Socialists feel EVERYTHING is their "basic human right"!
The same old players advocating the same old ideas in the same old ways...
- The participants in this coalition are the same people who opposed welfare reform and promoted Hillarycare. They're the same people who've tinkered around the edges of Social Security for decades without addressing the program's fundamental problems. The inevitable result: Social Security taxes have been raised more than 1000 percent since the program's inception.
Originally posted by: UNESC0
80% of Canada is "white"
while 70% of the US is "white", a big difference? I'd say not but that's opinion.
so it's the illegality of immigrants that's in question - okay now you're making more sense. Any evidence about the amounts of illegal immigrants in the US? Wouldn't using census numbers be rather misleading... how can anyone get an accurate picture?
I'm just about to sit down to watch the hockey game - although it may be the irony that made me smile.
Nice try, but your stats are off. It is closer to 88% of Canada is white.
I am not saying this has an effect on a national health care system. Just don't like false statistics being posted.
Slew Foot
Lifer
- Sep 22, 2005
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First of all, as a physician myself I have to pretty much agree with JLgatsby so far.
In response to the quote above, the insurance probably has a contract that says it pays about 25% of whatever it gets billed. I.e. they receive a $2700 bill, and send the hospital $700 and everyones happy. Of course, they dont tell the consumer this, because they like you to think that they just paid off a huge bill for you. The person who gets really screwed, is ther person with some semblence of a job and no insurance, theyre stuck with the entire bill (for the most part, unemployeds/homeless/etc... get written off as a loss).
The US is unique as a nation in the first world. No other country has 300 million people, 150 million of whom are at best, grossly obese pigs who sit around all day. Add to that, a realtively large minority/homeless/drug abusing population that doesnt really contribute to the tax base but take away health care resources from the general pool.
Costs inherent to the medical field have also risen rapidly in the last few years. Mostly in the form of prescription drgs and medical equiptment. Everything from orthropedic hardware, saline bags, syringes, printer paper has risen at absurd rates the last few rates.
Salaries of allied health care workers have risen fairly rapidly as well (the starting salary for an ICU nurse at UC Davis Med Center is 85K/yr, and they cant find anyone to take the job). Xray tech, physical therpapists, phramacists have all experience large pay raises recently (i.e. tell your kids to go into one of these fields). Physican salaries, while high, have actually FALLEN over the last 10 years (our department took a 15% across the board pay cut a couple years ago, causing some very good people to leave), so no, openign US medical school to every Tom, Dick , and Harry to increase supply isnt going to help your costs.
That's my 2 cents, but then again what do I know, Im just a physician.
its basic healthcare, you already pay for it anyways. hospitals cannot turn down someone in urgent need.
and the asnwer is because its the moral thing to do, inaction is action itself.
you cant look at it like your not 'enabling' healthcare for them, you have to look at it like youve contributed to a system that has made healthcare unobtainable to many.
just get over it, people have the right to live... these are the same people that work ****** backbreaking jobs and pick your fields so you can live a middle class life and sit back and complain about lazy immigrants.
just because you arent getting it for free now doesnt mean you should penalize other people ... when in the end free healthcare is the right thing.
Recently we won a lawsuit regarding an accident that caused an injury. The insurance company recieved $1000 from this lawsuite saying they deserve to be reimbursed for medical fees by the people who caused the accident. The emergency room fees. Do you think they really paid $1000, or did they rip us off.
Sucks that out of the 6000 settlement, we only got 2000 of it. 3000 went to the lawyer and doctor bills, and 1000 went to the health insurance, and 2000 went to us.
The health insurance only paid for the emergency room visit, not the check up appointments after those.
MidasKnight
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- Apr 24, 2004
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No, you will likely die waiting for a heart operation in Canada because over 90% of Canadian heart specialists have stated that they give preferential treatment to the social elite. The Canadian system forces the poor to pay for the preferential health care of the rich.
No you're missing something very important.
Poor people don't take care of themselves. Do you think someone who takes care of his health and some obese trailer park loser have the same medical needs?
Find some statistics about smokers or drug abusers. The poorer you are, the odds increase GREATLY that you'll live a lifestyle that is unhealthy. Obesity, smoking, drug abuse, lack of excercise, everything greatly increases with poverty.
On top of that, poor people typically have higher fertility rates, so that even compounds the problem.
Poor people (of all cultures and races) constantly find ways to stab themselves in the foot. They do little to help themselves.
Also in some places in Canada if you need an MRI done, you have to drive hours to different city to get it done. Very few MRIs in Canada and basically 0 PET scaners.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
- May 18, 2001
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Fvck morals and healthcare is available to everyone.
I didn't say anything about immigrants. In fact most of these people are white but while we are on the subject I have to watch the stupid b!tch from the welfare department pass out flyers soliciting for hispanics to give money to. None of which are picking anything. Most are working in construction at a very good wage, under the table of course, yet gladly accept the money.
FYI I am blue collar and barely "middle class". I've worked for everything I have and I have health insurance because it is high on my priority (same with retirement) list not because I make a lot of money.
Maybe they should take more of your check and leave mine alone since you don't mind helping these retards coast through life.
A car is probably more of a need than healthcare in the US. In most places, you couldn't even get to a doctor's office without a car. You may be on to something!
preslove
Lifer
- Sep 10, 2003
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The last paper I saw showed that the administrative costs in American health care far surpassed that of any other western country. The American insurance industry is far less efficient than anything the government would come up with (unless industry writes it for you like the last drug legislation). I have an uncle who had a job with a General Practitioner for a few years where the only thing he did was process insurance paperwork.
Also, American industry is put at a competitive disadvantage because we have no national health care while japan and europe does. Money going to GM's lazy ass workers' insanely nice coverage could be translated into lower costs or nicer cars.
Finally, on average Americans WITH insurance pay more out of pocket on health care than any western industrial nation.
It's not that healthcare should be mandatory, it's just that our current healthcare system is royally fvcked. We are being screwed by the insurrers, and you guys are talking about morality and rights? I just don't want to be scammed by a bunch of useless fvcktards. Our system is the least efficient of all our peers.
Also, American industry is put at a competitive disadvantage because we have no national health care while japan and europe does. Money going to GM's lazy ass workers' insanely nice coverage could be translated into lower costs or nicer cars.
Finally, on average Americans WITH insurance pay more out of pocket on health care than any western industrial nation.
It's not that healthcare should be mandatory, it's just that our current healthcare system is royally fvcked. We are being screwed by the insurrers, and you guys are talking about morality and rights? I just don't want to be scammed by a bunch of useless fvcktards. Our system is the least efficient of all our peers.
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