Do you think healthcare should be mandatory for America?

[Legend]

Originally posted by: Broly
You think fat people get fat loosing drugs free? Man you are TOTALLY confused.

No. I know that obesity causes many of the disorders that are dramatically increasing the cost of healthcare. Chronic fatigue, high cholesterol, heart disease, sexual disfunction, depression, lack of concentration, and to an extent allergies.

I never said anything about fat people getting weight loss pills.

Universal healthcare allows you to receive DEDUCTIONS on your drugs according to your plan, you then pay the rest.

But we never pay doctor's for checkups that's all handled by healthcare.

I wasn't really commenting on Canada's healthcare system. I was talking about the movement for an American one. And I constantly hear that healthcare should be a right with this movement, which I do not draw the conclusion of deductions, but rather full service. Either way people should pay for their own services rather than leech off of society.

You believe people should die because they cannot afford to finance their health care? You are a sick son of a gun.

Yes. If someone has a fatal problem that's a result of their own actions, and their family cannot afford it, they have a duty to die. They have no right to take other people's money for their own faults.

No if it's not their fault, or if it's within financial reason.

You're looking at this without considering how it affects families and society. It's selfish, and immoral. However, I realize you have good intentions. You think that pumping more money is going to improve the health of everyone. That is where I strongly disagree.

Satan's waiting. You fell into the trap God made for us, the trap of greed and selfishness. It's warm so bring sunglasses.

LOL. Okay, It's selfish for someone to want to spend their money on their family and self, but it's totally selfless to drain wealth from families and societies to fulfill an individualistic fantasy that your actions do not affect the wellbeing of others.

And if I don't agree with you, a mythological man made diety is going to force me to conform. Satan may want to check the moral book of exodus, where it describes laws about slavery. And you may want to read the new Testament, where Jesus teaches not to eternally judge people.

 

[potato28]

Yes.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

i think if your working, the government should buy you healthcare, if ur not thats for you to do on your own

 

[DnetMHZ]

My employer already pays 100% of my healthcare.

 

[DVK916]

While I don't support a National Healthcare. Recently I read about a 21 year old who has CVIDS ( Common Variable Immuno Defficiency Syndrom), he is constant sick making it hard for him to work. Without treetment he won't have many more years to live, but he no longer has insurance, so he can't get treatment. I think for people like him who are to sick to work something should be done to help them. But for the lazy ones who are to lazy to work and get their own healthcare they are on their own.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Broly
Another common misconception about canada.

You think fat people get fat loosing drugs free? Man you are TOTALLY confused.

Universal healthcare allows you to receive DEDUCTIONS on your drugs according to your plan, you then pay the rest.

But we never pay doctor's for checkups that's all handled by healthcare.

You believe people should die because they cannot afford to finance their health care? You are a sick son of a gun.

Satan's waiting. You fell into the trap God made for us, the trap of greed and selfishness. It's warm so bring sunglasses.

Where the hell did you get people getting fatloss,cholesterol drugs free? That stuff isn't covered since it's their own fault.

Christian Socialism?

Pick up your straw men toys and go play elsewhere.

Funny you mention it, but yes. Much of Western Socialism has been founded by Christian Ministers seeking to fulfil their calling to Good Works as dictated by Jesus.

 

[Broly]

Originally posted by: DVK916
While I don't support a National Healthcare. Recently I read about a 21 year old who has CVIDS ( Common Variable Immuno Defficiency Syndrom), he is constant sick making it hard for him to work. Without treetment he won't have many more years to live, but he no longer has insurance, so he can't get treatment. I think for people like him who are to sick to work something should be done to help them. But for the lazy ones who are to lazy to work and get their own healthcare they are on their own.

welcome to america

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Broly

Originally posted by: DVK916
While I don't support a National Healthcare. Recently I read about a 21 year old who has CVIDS ( Common Variable Immuno Defficiency Syndrom), he is constant sick making it hard for him to work. Without treetment he won't have many more years to live, but he no longer has insurance, so he can't get treatment. I think for people like him who are to sick to work something should be done to help them. But for the lazy ones who are to lazy to work and get their own healthcare they are on their own.

welcome to america

What do you mean.

This 21 year old was born in the U.S. This is a genetic dissorder.

 

[Imaginer]

It would be ideal if everyone is healthy and the tax dollars is to ensure they maintain their health....

HOWEVER....

The way America has their health, most (not all, and probably some fits the word....) Americans are not very healthy or in shape. For me to pay someone's poor health costs would be a helll NO.

 

[CanOWorms]

I actually think that Canada's health care system is a human rights violation. They're restricting access to health care for people. They don't have access to health care, but a waiting list where the rich get preferential treatment. They need a valid two-tier system. The US has problems with health care, but looking to Canada definitely isn't the answer. Canada's health care system is usually ranked as one of the worst universal health care systems in the world, too.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I actually think that Canada's health care system is a human rights violation. They're restricting access to health care for people. They don't have access to health care, but a waiting list where the rich get preferential treatment. They need a valid two-tier system. The US has problems with health care, but looking to Canada definitely isn't the answer. Canada's health care system is usually ranked as one of the worst universal health care systems in the world, too.

Aren't you Canadian?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I actually think that Canada's health care system is a human rights violation. They're restricting access to health care for people. They don't have access to health care, but a waiting list where the rich get preferential treatment. They need a valid two-tier system. The US has problems with health care, but looking to Canada definitely isn't the answer. Canada's health care system is usually ranked as one of the worst universal health care systems in the world, too.

Aren't you Canadian?

No! I would never be able to subject myself to a Queen.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I actually think that Canada's health care system is a human rights violation. They're restricting access to health care for people. They don't have access to health care, but a waiting list where the rich get preferential treatment. They need a valid two-tier system. The US has problems with health care, but looking to Canada definitely isn't the answer. Canada's health care system is usually ranked as one of the worst universal health care systems in the world, too.

The rich get preferential treatment? Are you sure you aren't thinking of the US?

 

[Broly]

wtf are you talking about?
You cannot buy yourself up the queue you troll

Have a seat son.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I actually think that Canada's health care system is a human rights violation. They're restricting access to health care for people. They don't have access to health care, but a waiting list where the rich get preferential treatment. They need a valid two-tier system. The US has problems with health care, but looking to Canada definitely isn't the answer. Canada's health care system is usually ranked as one of the worst universal health care systems in the world, too.

The rich get preferential treatment? Are you sure you aren't thinking of the US?

Nope. In Canada, the social elite receive preferential care. 90% of Canadian heart specialists (obviously a critical and important profession) have stated that they give preferential care to the social elite, I wonder what it is like in noncritical health professions. The average Canadian has access to a waiting list, not health care. The elite have access to health care paid for by the middle class and the poor. They even restrict the non-elite from receiving healthcare within the country.

The US obviously has problems, but Canada's is a human rights violation.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Broly
wtf are you talking about?
You cannot buy yourself up the queue you troll

Have a seat son.

That's what the government wants you to think, and it seems that the brainwashing is working. Canadians need to stop believing the propaganda machine. The crumbling Canadian health care system will continue to fail if you refuse to look at the problems.

As I posted earlier in the thread, "Annals of Internal Medicine medical journal found that more than 90 percent of heart specialists had "been involved in the care of a patient who received preferential access" to cardiac care because of non-medical reasons including the patient's social standing or personal connections with the treating physician."

 

[NMDJuggler]

Originally posted by: Legend

Preventive medicine is real health care. You stop the problems ever from occuring by maintaining health.

I agree this is a huge problem in America. We need to focus more on health prevention, but what type of system is going to fund community based preventative health-care initiatives. Free market capitalism? Not likely. Communicable diseases are a community problem. And the poor are the least likely to spend money on a product that may have no decernable results. I agree the system needs an overhaul, but fundamentally we need to view healthcare as a basic human right, not as a commodity. We do so with education, police protection, etc.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: NMDJuggler

Originally posted by: Legend

Preventive medicine is real health care. You stop the problems ever from occuring by maintaining health.

I agree this is a huge problem in America. We need to focus more on health prevention, but what type of system is going to fund community based preventative health-care initiatives. Free market capitalism? Not likely. Communicable diseases are a community problem. And the poor are the least likely to spend money on a product that may have no decernable results. I agree the system needs an overhaul, but fundamentally we need to view healthcare as a basic human right, not as a commodity. We do so with education, police protection, etc.

So you're a medical student who supports Universal Healthcare

 

[Broly]

Lol you're hilarious canoworms

You piss me off so much but you're so stalinist with your propoganda it's funny

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Broly
Lol you're hilarious canoworms

You piss me off so much but you're so stalinist with your propoganda it's funny

Did the Queen tell you that the Annals of Internal Medicine is propaganda?

 

[NMDJuggler]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: NMDJuggler

Originally posted by: Legend

Preventive medicine is real health care. You stop the problems ever from occuring by maintaining health.

I agree this is a huge problem in America. We need to focus more on health prevention, but what type of system is going to fund community based preventative health-care initiatives. Free market capitalism? Not likely. Communicable diseases are a community problem. And the poor are the least likely to spend money on a product that may have no decernable results. I agree the system needs an overhaul, but fundamentally we need to view healthcare as a basic human right, not as a commodity. We do so with education, police protection, etc.

So you're a medical student who supports Universal Healthcare

Most medical students I know believe healthcare is a basic human right, myself included.

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: NMDJuggler

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: NMDJuggler

Originally posted by: Legend

Preventive medicine is real health care. You stop the problems ever from occuring by maintaining health.

I agree this is a huge problem in America. We need to focus more on health prevention, but what type of system is going to fund community based preventative health-care initiatives. Free market capitalism? Not likely. Communicable diseases are a community problem. And the poor are the least likely to spend money on a product that may have no decernable results. I agree the system needs an overhaul, but fundamentally we need to view healthcare as a basic human right, not as a commodity. We do so with education, police protection, etc.

So you're a medical student who supports Universal Healthcare

Most medical students I know believe healthcare is a basic human right, myself included.

Okay, help people for cheap then. You don't need to work in a big hospital, just work in your local homeless shelter. Think of how many more people you would be saving!

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: NMDJuggler
Most medical students I know believe healthcare is a basic human right, myself included.

Medical students maybe, wait until you're situated in your profession and you begin to bring in a decent pay check and watch how the government takes 30% of it away.

Then tell me what a "right" it is when in fact it's coming out of your and my pockets.

FrontlineWarrior had it right.

Mandatory? How about this:

People should be FORCED to exercise, FORCED to eat right, FORCED to get regular check ups and FORCED to take all the medications they are prescribed. Otherwise, no one should be FORCED to foot the bill, doctors should not be FORCED to work for crumbs, we should not be FORCED to care for someone who doesn't take care of himself.

Mandatory my ass. You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to eat right and take care of yourself. Should you give up these rights, it can and will be used against you. Is that the world we want?

LIVE AND LET DIE, IS WHAT I SAY!

 

[NMDJuggler]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: NMDJuggler
Most medical students I know believe healthcare is a basic human right, myself included.

Medical students maybe, wait until you're situated in your profession and you begin to bring in a decent pay check and watch how the government takes 30% of it away.

Then tell me what a "right" it is when in fact it's coming out of your and my pockets.

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I think most medical students, and (to a lesser but probably still very significant extent) doctors are better, more altruistic people than you give them credit for. The training is hell, and you don't go through it for the money, or at least, that's not going to sustain you. Am I going to balk at 30% of my paycheck going to taxes? HECK NO! This government provides a society in which I am able to make the other 70% and keep it. What would it be like if I had to practice in North Korea? Part of being a member of our society means having some human decency. Does a lazy, illegal immigrant deserve a car, skittles, free higher education, alcohol, or highly experimental surgery with unproven results? No. Do they deserve enough pain meds when they're dying of cancer? Yes, no matter what they've done in their life. If you disagree with me here, then we've got a fundamental difference in morals that in all likelyhood won't be resolved (especially not in an Anandtech forum.) But I'd say you're departing from your humanity and the morals that make this country great.

Listen, to all you out there with an internet connection and a computer that's not getting rained on and the knowledge to post in this forums: maybe I'll step on a few toes by saying this, but try to identify with what I'm saying as much as possible. I'm going to have a decent job, and I'm not going to starve. I'm going to have food on the table, a roof over my head, and if worse comes to worse, I'll have docs and meds taking care of me. I've got a lot to be thankful for, so I can stand to part with 30% of my cash if that means insuring our society has basic health care. Not extraorindary or extreme care, just basic. And I will treat patients for free if they truly need it. Maybe you can sit in a forum and say screw the mexican illegals and let them rot if they don't have the insurance, but doctors have to look them in the eyes and say NO, and I for one won't whenever humanly possible. Med students and docs are usually for universal healthcare 'cause they see the patients every day, and they don't have the luxury of being isolated and indifferent. So I appeal to our common humanity and decency.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Funny you mention it, but yes. Much of Western Socialism has been founded by Christian Ministers seeking to fulfil their calling to Good Works as dictated by Jesus.

Christian good works must be voluntary or else they are meaningless. Socialism is never voluntary. Even the early Mormons socialist experiments failed.