Democratic Primary Poll (Formerly Warren or Gabbard)

[Blackjack200]

With oppo research coming out against Beto so quickly I'm starting to think he should be the guy. Seems to be scaring some powerful people. I still can't say anything bad about Tulsi either so she is an easy second choice for me. At the same time I haven't seen anything really exciting from her either. Some of the Dems just need a fast redirect straight to the exit though. Kamala, I'm looking at you and anyone over 65. Maybe even 60. Booker I could maybe get behind if he came straight out and renounced his big-pharma relationship and stuck to it. Absent that, fuck right the fuck off. Same for any other candidate with even a hint of the same smell.

Not supporting Medicare for all in 2019 is a dealbreaker for me.

Cruz is most certainly *NOT* a dumbass. Far from it. He's a monolithic prick for sure, but dumb? Absolutely not. He's not a guy you want to try and debate. Smart and ruthless is a bad combination for the opponent to succeed.

Cruz is famously a debate fetishist. He was on the debate team of whatever shitty Ivy he went to.

 

[Jaskalas]

Not supporting Medicare for all in 2019 is a dealbreaker for me.

I wonder how a person could rationalize not campaigning on it.

 

[Blackjack200]

I wonder how a person could rationalize not campaigning on it.

I'll have to double check, but I believe most of the declared Democratic candidates don't support Medicare for all.

 

[vi edit]

Mayor Pete killed it on Morning Joe today. DC could use a lot more of him.

 

[jackstar7]

Mayor Pete killed it on Morning Joe today. DC could use a lot more of him.

He is solidly #2 on my list these days.

Warren is laying out policy and forcing a lot of conversations and Pete is just goddamn smooth. They would make a dynamic ticket.

After Gillibrand's opioid bill proposal I might be done with her. There's being wrong about something and then there's trying to make something wrong law and that might be more than a misstep ten minutes after announcing.

 

[Jaskalas]

Drudge is on a roll with some new Democrat candidate I've never heard of before.

YANG UNCUT!

Dem Presidential Candidate Against Circumcision...

Universal Income Can Curb the Racism...

Wants Penalties For 'Fake News'...

Fringe Dems To Make Debate Stage...

 

[brandonbull]

Drudge is on a roll with some new Democrat candidate I've never heard of before.

YANG UNCUT!
Dem Presidential Candidate Against Circumcision...

Universal Income Can Curb the Racism...

Wants Penalties For 'Fake News'...

Fringe Dems To Make Debate Stage...

Guy sounds dangerous just by his views on "Fake News", social credits and monthly cash payments.

 

[dank69]

Drudge is on a roll with some new Democrat candidate I've never heard of before.

YANG UNCUT!
Dem Presidential Candidate Against Circumcision...

Universal Income Can Curb the Racism...

Wants Penalties For 'Fake News'...

Fringe Dems To Make Debate Stage...

He actually declared a while ago. I think even before Warren and Gabbard. Don't know much about him yet.

 

[Bitek]

Drudge is on a roll with some new Democrat candidate I've never heard of before.

YANG UNCUT!
Dem Presidential Candidate Against Circumcision...

Universal Income Can Curb the Racism...

Wants Penalties For 'Fake News'...

Fringe Dems To Make Debate Stage...

I listened to an extended interview with him and he's definitely interesting.

My takeaway his top issue was universal basic income.

I didn't think he was all that serious of a candidate, more using a platform to elevate and advance an issue, but it seems he's taking off more than he may have originally thought.

Ultimately won't get very far, but it's going to be an interesting debate where really progressive and innovative ideas are brought to the front and debated.

Will be a stark contrast to the Trumpo campaign which will be heavy on lies, bullshit about how much Wall he's both built and not built, blameshifting, race baiting and lots and lots of victimhood.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Drudge is on a roll with some new Democrat candidate I've never heard of before.

YANG UNCUT!
Dem Presidential Candidate Against Circumcision...

Universal Income Can Curb the Racism...

Wants Penalties For 'Fake News'...

Fringe Dems To Make Debate Stage...

You're just now hearing of Yang? He has already done a Joe Rogan podcast - all different types of media.

I'm not even a leftie and I've seen him plenty.

Personally he...sounds... semi reasonable....

I don't really care for his whole "Universal Basic Income" at this point in time, but he seems to be least a rational person... unlike the FREE SHIT candidates.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I listened to an extended interview with him and he's definitely interesting.

My takeaway his top issue was universal basic income.

I didn't think he was all that serious of a candidate, more using a platform to elevate and advance an issue, but it seems he's taking off more than he may have originally thought.

Ultimately won't get very far, but it's going to be an interesting debate where really progressive and innovative ideas are brought to the front and debated.

Will be a stark contrast to the Trumpo campaign which will be heavy on lies, bullshit about how much Wall he's both built and not built, blameshifting, race baiting and lots and lots of victimhood.

Silly question, but what are your thoughts on UBI?

He goes into it in that when budgetting for it we would kill off all other programs (Welfare, Foodstamps, etc...) to pay for it. This means UBI would go to the poorest to the richest.

 

[Bitek]

Silly question, but what are your thoughts on UBI?

He goes into it in that when budgetting for it we would kill off all other programs (Welfare, Foodstamps, etc...) to pay for it. This means UBI would go to the poorest to the richest.

Not a silly question at all.

IDK yet. I think it has merits in principle, however I would like to see some proven results from some pilots before launching into a large, national benefits program.

Overall wealth inequality needs to be addressed in some way, especially as productivity gains from automation and globalization will increasingly advantage the owners of capital.

Is this the way to do it? .....

May work. May create unintended consequences and avenues for fraud. May just be less effective than other alternatives.

Show me the data.

Norway I believe was working on some of this. May not be as good as solution as hoped for.

From what I've seen, universal paid child-care may be more productive.

Otherwise, universal HC must be met in some way as a larger priority.

College tuition inflation and student loans must be addressed, but I'd rather see the system blown up before just subsidized by taxpayers.
So much waste and outdated concepts there imo. The cheating scandal just adds to this.

 

[woolfe9998]

He is solidly #2 on my list these days.

Warren is laying out policy and forcing a lot of conversations and Pete is just goddamn smooth. They would make a dynamic ticket.

After Gillibrand's opioid bill proposal I might be done with her. There's being wrong about something and then there's trying to make something wrong law and that might be more than a misstep ten minutes after announcing.

What's wrong with the proposed bill?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Not a silly question at all.

IDK yet. I think it has merits in principle, however I would like to see some proven results from some pilots before launching into a large, national benefits program.

Overall wealth inequality needs to be addressed in some way, especially as productivity gains from automation and globalization will increasingly advantage the owners of capital.

Is this the way to do it? .....

May work. May create unintended consequences and avenues for fraud. May just be less effective than other alternatives.

Show me the data.

Norway I believe was working on some of this. May not be as good as solution as hoped for.

From what I've seen, universal paid child-care may be more productive.

Otherwise, universal HC must be met in some way as a larger priority.

College tuition inflation and student loans must be addressed, but I'd rather see the system blown up before just subsidized by taxpayers.
So much waste and outdated concepts there imo. The cheating scandal just adds to this.

I just foresee every liberal getting butt-hurt because every evil rich person is getting the same $1,000 that every poor man is getting paid - Hence UBI. Obviously I'm sure it won't be taxed equally, but the concept of someone rich getting the same as someone poor would just make people cry foul alone....

I don't disagree that wealth inequality needs to be addressed - but my biggest problem is the more we gravitate towards robotics the more that becomes a pipe-dream. You can make all the UBI you want, they will still be scraping the bottom of the barrel when you aren't producing any labor. Just a fact of life.

Universal paid child-care is a different subject IMO - I think that is the key if we want the middle and upper middle class to start reproducing instead of just the lower IQ class. We are literally making Idiocracy into a documentary if we continue to make child-rearing a disadvantage for the middle and upper middle-class.

 

[Bitek]

I just foresee every liberal getting butt-hurt because every evil rich person is getting the same $1,000 that every poor man is getting paid - Hence UBI. Obviously I'm sure it won't be taxed equally, but the concept of someone rich getting the same as someone poor would just make people cry foul alone....

I don't disagree that wealth inequality needs to be addressed - but my biggest problem is the more we gravitate towards robotics the more that becomes a pipe-dream. You can make all the UBI you want, they will still be scraping the bottom of the barrel when you aren't producing any labor. Just a fact of life.

Universal paid child-care is a different subject IMO - I think that is the key if we want the middle and upper middle class to start reproducing instead of just the lower IQ class. We are literally making Idiocracy into a documentary if we continue to make child-rearing a disadvantage for the middle and upper middle-class.

Krugman had a piece regarding giving social safety benefits to the rich, out of the sense of them "not needing it, not fair." It was wrt HC benefits, but concept the same.

It said "by definition, the 1% or 0.1% are that proportion, thus take in a minuscule amount of the total benefit. Trying to set up means testing to these programs are counterproductive.

It may cost more than it saves, and at worst it creates resentment and more reason for the rich, or people believing themselves to be part of the rich, to attack the programs, undermining the benefit for everyone else. Far better to leave it a shared benefit for all."

How many will listen to that? Not enough.

Uni daycare sounds like one of the better ideas, unfortunately too late for me. I spent 10s of thousands on daycare...

 

[UglyCasanova]

Interesting point

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Krugman had a piece regarding giving social safety benefits to the rich, out of the sense of them "not needing it, not fair." It was wrt HC benefits, but concept the same.

It said "by definition, the 1% or 0.1% are that proportion, thus take in a minuscule amount of the total benefit. Trying to set up means testing to these programs are counterproductive.

It may cost more than it saves, and at worst it creates resentment and more reason for the rich, or people believing themselves to be part of the rich, to attack the programs, undermining the benefit for everyone else. Far better to leave it a shared benefit for all."

How many will listen to that? Not enough.

Uni daycare sounds like one of the better ideas, unfortunately too late for me. I spent 10s of thousands on daycare...

Right - to that I translate to: The rich will be the ones paying for the rest of the distributions anyhow, so who cares if they get a tiny distribution from that which they contributed to... correct?

Either way, I do find it rather comical - I'm sure the lefties will get a wee bit butt-hurt under the prospect that "I got $1000/month - That rich man doesn't deserve it though!" Something tells me that alone with the whole rich vs. poor warfare that they are trying to ensue won't work out so well. Maybe that's just my thinking.

As far as universal daycare - So far I've spent $0 on daycare.... Married some poh-brown girl that makes significant sums whose mother decided to move to our area and look after our kids Though I'm still in full favor of it - simply for attempting to eliminate the stigma from the middle and upper-middle classes from reproducing.

 

[zinfamous]

Guy sounds dangerous just by his views on "Fake News", social credits and monthly cash payments.

yeah, dangerous...dude is as much of a threat as John MacAfee. ...hey, do you remember that MacAfee actually ran for president on the libertopian in 2016? Dude was/is still wanted for murder in Belize. ...but yeah, he returned to the US and ran for POTUS in 2016. He participated in the Libertarian debate on Fox Business in 2016, against Gary Johnson and some other unkown dingleberry.

remember that? nah, I don't really either, but it actually happened. But here's the thing: that guy is a legit fucking psycopath, payed a criminal to murder his neighbor in Belize, hired and armed a gang of about 20 dudes, instituted curfews and somehow declared himself "sheriff" in a small town just because for a couple of months, ended up fleeing into the jungles of Guatemala, and held a captive harem of teenage chicks, whose mouths he regularly pooped into (this is all completely true, by the way. This is actually what is happening in the world)...but hey, is back in the USA, ran for POTUS, and is currently chilling in Silicon Valley because some fucking morons still think he is some cyber security expert because he once wrote a couple lines of basic code to fix the first, and of course lamest computer virus ever...basically the only thing he ever did in his shitty stupid life.

anyway, there's a threat. why the fuck does this other no name dude concern you so much?

 

[Moonbeam]

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/0...naming-stacey-abrams-as-his-running-mate.html

How about this for a ticket?

 

[zinfamous]

I heard that at a town hall last night, Hickenlooper related an unprompted tender moment from his past, regarding his mom, where they both went to watch Deep Throat together in the theater, sandwiched between two dudes jerking off. ....did that really happen, lol?

 

[dank69]

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/0...naming-stacey-abrams-as-his-running-mate.html

How about this for a ticket?

What is the difference between Hillary and Biden in your opinion? Is it just the sheer amount of manufactured baggage and/or their personalities? Because purely from a policy standpoint I'd have to give an edge to Clinton.

 

[mect]

The more I hear from Buttigieg, the more I like him. I'm not sure if he can build the name recognition and cash he needs to really compete, but he seems to know his stuff, and can communicate extremely well.

 

[jackstar7]

What's wrong with the proposed bill?

My understanding (which is limited) is that it didn't account for chronic pain suffering and appeared to be taking too broad a brush to something that is much more complex just to make a show of trying to address something in the zeitgeist.

 

[brandonbull]

yeah, dangerous...dude is as much of a threat as John MacAfee. ...hey, do you remember that MacAfee actually ran for president on the libertopian in 2016? Dude was/is still wanted for murder in Belize. ...but yeah, he returned to the US and ran for POTUS in 2016. He participated in the Libertarian debate on Fox Business in 2016, against Gary Johnson and some other unkown dingleberry.

remember that? nah, I don't really either, but it actually happened. But here's the thing: that guy is a legit fucking psycopath, payed a criminal to murder his neighbor in Belize, hired and armed a gang of about 20 dudes, instituted curfews and somehow declared himself "sheriff" in a small town just because for a couple of months, ended up fleeing into the jungles of Guatemala, and held a captive harem of teenage chicks, whose mouths he regularly pooped into (this is all completely true, by the way. This is actually what is happening in the world)...but hey, is back in the USA, ran for POTUS, and is currently chilling in Silicon Valley because some fucking morons still think he is some cyber security expert because he once wrote a couple lines of basic code to fix the first, and of course lamest computer virus ever...basically the only thing he ever did in his shitty stupid life.

anyway, there's a threat. why the fuck does this other no name dude concern you so much?

More buttery whataboutisms. MacAfee is a complete loon and was a fringe candidate in a fringe party. Yang is seems to be nothing like MacAfee. Yang is proposing some very interesting ideas about the role of government in people's lives.

 

[Blackjack200]

I heard that at a town hall last night, Hickenlooper related an unprompted tender moment from his past, regarding his mom, where they both went to watch Deep Throat together in the theater, sandwiched between two dudes jerking off. ....did that really happen, lol?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108702317325488128

Buckle up folks, we have a year and a half to go.