Dec. CGW has X1800XT and XL reviewed

[CaiNaM]

imo opinion it goes back to ati doing another paper launch of their "flagship" product... ati releases cards for reviews, all kinds of hoopla is made about how great, how fast... then it's followed by the disclaimer, "they'll be available in about a month..."

so why not review them in a month when they're available?

and how easily do some forget last year's launch? same thing.. the slower card comes out a bit after the "launch", supposedly followed in a "few weeks" by the xtpe - which for the most part certainly available. took them until refresh (x850) to make it to market with a decent amount of cards... so again people are arguing for (at least) a month over hardware that doesn't exist in the consumer channel, and now a driver that's also not public...

ackmed, there are plenty of reviews stating the the cooling on the cards (not only the xt, but the xl as well) are quite loud, so it's hardly a surprise CGW says something similar; it's common knowledge. not sure what you're arguing about...

"The cooler is a single slot cooler with an adjustable speed centrifugal fan. In its current state, the fan operates at its higher speed setting more often than its at the lower speed, meaning that the card is often loud. When gaming, the card operates at full speed all of the time and it was clearly louder than the cooler on both the GeForce 7800 GT and GTX. During 2D mode, there are several occasions when the fan changed from the lower speed up to the higher speed setting. One rather bizarre incident of adjustable fan craziness was when our monitor went in to stand by mode - seconds later the fan would switch to its full operating speed creating unnecessary and unacceptable noise. Without doubt, we feel that the adjustable fan speed thresholds need a little reworking in the VGA BIOS, as we found this card is unexpectedly loud for an ATI video card." ~ bit-tech

"The fan, however, is very small. In operation, there are two fan speeds, a slower speed, which is not very loud, and a higher speed, which is very loud. In fact, the fan speeds up and speeds down between these two speeds frequently, even when the card is in idle 2D mode. ~ HOCP

so while certainly not a "showstopper", it seems a valid point.

like it's competition, it has it's strenght and weaknesses, and it certainly seems to me that it would be (or will be?) a viable alternative if (when?) price drops to GT levels... would have been much less an issue had the card came out 4-5 months ago as ati originally indicated.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
fillrate is great and all, but concrete FPS in games is a bit more important

i dont understand how this is a Phantom Edition card already when its not scheduled to released until next month? is the 7800 ultra a phantom edition card as well then? what about the asus dual?

You're missing the point:
He said there's no way a 430MHz card will beat a 625MHz card, and I was pointing out MHz are misleading at best.

My 2.4GHz 4600+ beats lots of much high clocked Intel products.

The 430Mhz 7800GTX annihilates the 540MHz X850.

And yes, the 7800GTX does still win some benchmarks over the paper launched MIA X1800XT.

i hear ya, the first statement didnt have any merit at all

 

[BFG10K]

The problem with beta drivers is they may work great for what their designed for but never pass WHQL or be released even due to other problems.

I'm still waiting for your answer from your other troll thread where I pointed out nVidia WHQL drivers afflict the same games you were slamming ATi for.

Rollo for Video Forum Mod
Fair and Balanced

LMAO!

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Rollo for Video Forum Mod
Fair and Balanced

LMAO!

Hahaha I saw that too. Hilarious.

 

[Topweasel]

Summary for those not wanting to read entire thread.

Rollo posts review, Poeple Slam Rollo, People Slam review, Rollo Defends Review, Poeple Slam Rollo, Poeple defend Rollo, Rollo defends self, The GTX is faster then the XT which is faster then the GTX, and the XL is better then GT but the GT is faster then the XL, and the dual GT rules them all but is disqualified due to lack of understanding on what a Card is. In agreement the 5800u, 5900U, 6800U, x1800XL, x1800XT and 2x7800GTX are all loud. Cards not yet released and or sold right now include 7800GT Dual, 7800GTX 512MB, the 7800Ultra 512MB, the X1800XT 256MB, and the X1800XT 512MB vesion.

 

[Linearsoup]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Summary for those not wanting to read entire thread.

Rollo posts review, Poeple Slam Rollo, People Slam review, Rollo Defends Review, Poeple Slam Rollo, Poeple defend Rollo, Rollo defends self, The GTX is faster then the XT which is faster then the GTX, and the XL is better then GT but the GT is faster then the XL, and the dual GT rules them all but is disqualified due to lack of understanding on what a Card is. In agreement the 5800u, 5900U, 6800U, x1800XL, x1800XT and 2x7800GTX are all loud. Cards not yet released and or sold right now include 7800GT Dual, 7800GTX 512MB, the 7800Ultra 512MB, the X1800XT 256MB, and the X1800XT 512MB vesion.

quality.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Summary for those not wanting to read entire thread.

Rollo posts review, Poeple Slam Rollo, People Slam review, Rollo Defends Review, Poeple Slam Rollo, Poeple defend Rollo, Rollo defends self, The GTX is faster then the XT which is faster then the GTX, and the XL is better then GT but the GT is faster then the XL, and the dual GT rules them all but is disqualified due to lack of understanding on what a Card is. In agreement the 5800u, 5900U, 6800U, x1800XL, x1800XT and 2x7800GTX are all loud. Cards not yet released and or sold right now include 7800GT Dual, 7800GTX 512MB, the 7800Ultra 512MB, the X1800XT 256MB, and the X1800XT 512MB vesion.

Lol.

 

[nRollo]

I honestly don't know how much reviews of this card (X1800XT) are going to matter any more.

I wouldn't want to be ATI this Christmas, better luck with the R580.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I honestly don't know how much reviews of this card (X1800XT) are going to matter any more.

I wouldn't want to be ATI this Christmas, better luck with the R580.

Hmm, I guess we'll have to wait and see. After seeing benchmarks of the X1800XT I would gladly sell my 7800GTX for one if I had the extra cash. The 7800 Ultra/512MB GTX better be mighty impressive to trump ATI's solution, at least in my eyes.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

And the "OpenGL fix" is not available to the public, AFAIK. (sort of like the XT)

As far as you know? Thats because you didnt put forth any effort into checking to see if it was or not.

Its avail from ATi's site, to the public.

The XT isnt supposed to be yet. Thats next week, supposedly. Thats like me complaining that the 512mb GTX isnt available yet.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

And the "OpenGL fix" is not available to the public, AFAIK. (sort of like the XT)

As far as you know? Thats because you didnt put forth any effort into checking to see if it was or not.

Its avail from ATi's site, to the public.

The XT isnt supposed to be yet. Thats next week, supposedly. Thats like me complaining that the 512mb GTX isnt available yet.

I don't think their Open GL fix is going to matter either.

The 7800GTX owns anything that's available, the 512MB version will soon own anything ATI has announced.

Dual GPU cards will do the same, and QUAD SLI will destroy any Crossfire.

nVidia FTW- you heard it here first.

I don't see ATI having a holiday market this season, unless you know about some mystery card with more than 16 pipes Ackmed?

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

And the "OpenGL fix" is not available to the public, AFAIK. (sort of like the XT)

As far as you know? Thats because you didnt put forth any effort into checking to see if it was or not.

Its avail from ATi's site, to the public.

The XT isnt supposed to be yet. Thats next week, supposedly. Thats like me complaining that the 512mb GTX isnt available yet.

I don't think their Open GL fix is going to matter either.

The 7800GTX owns anything that's available, the 512MB version will soon own anything ATI has announced.

Dual GPU cards will do the same, and QUAD SLI will destroy any Crossfire.

nVidia FTW- you heard it here first.

I don't see ATI having a holiday market this season, unless you know about some mystery card with more than 16 pipes Ackmed?

haha, this is classic

you claim the fix isnt available to the public, Ackmed shows that obviously it is, then you switch up and say the fix doesnt matter!!!

LOL, classic material.

"your honor, my client is not guilty"
"we have video of him killing the victim"
"oh, well, it doesnt really matter that he killed him"

btw, the 7800 ultra, the quad sli, and the dual GT are all Phantom cards because we cant buy them right now

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I honestly don't know how much reviews of this card (X1800XT) are going to matter any more.

I wouldn't want to be ATI this Christmas, better luck with the R580.

good thing you dont have to be ATi

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: Rollo

I don't see ATI having a holiday market this season, unless you know about some mystery card with more than 16 pipes Ackmed?

I do, it's called the Xbox 360 and they are going to do very well with any royalties they get.


ATi might be down for the current crop of video cards, but they are on the top end of the console market for the next 8-14months.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

haha, this is classic

you claim the fix isnt available to the public, Ackmed shows that obviously it is, then you switch up and say the fix doesnt matter!!!

LOL, classic material.

"your honor, my client is not guilty"
"we have video of him killing the victim"
"oh, well, it doesnt really matter that he killed him"

btw, the 7800 ultra, the quad sli, and the dual GT are all Phantom cards because we cant buy them right now

The thing is:
1. He posted no link to the hotfix
2. It's beta anyway, even if there
3. I wouldn't be surprised if at least two of the three products you mention beat the often delayed X1800XT Phantom Edition to market.


If what I suspect about 7800GTX 512MB performance is true, anyone wanting to match it with a X1800XT better call Mooxie and Sampson for liquid nitrogen tips.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

And the "OpenGL fix" is not available to the public, AFAIK. (sort of like the XT)

As far as you know? Thats because you didnt put forth any effort into checking to see if it was or not.

Its avail from ATi's site, to the public.

The XT isnt supposed to be yet. Thats next week, supposedly. Thats like me complaining that the 512mb GTX isnt available yet.

I don't think their Open GL fix is going to matter either.

The 7800GTX owns anything that's available, the 512MB version will soon own anything ATI has announced.

Dual GPU cards will do the same, and QUAD SLI will destroy any Crossfire.

nVidia FTW- you heard it here first.

I don't see ATI having a holiday market this season, unless you know about some mystery card with more than 16 pipes Ackmed?

So now you change your stance from, "its not avaiable", to "its not going to matter"?

The numbers speak for themselves. Doom3 and Quake 4 get a HUGE boost with these new beta drivers. There is no denying this. Not going to matter? How can 25-45% gain in 1600x1200/4x/8x not matter? The only way it doesnt matter is if you are very, very bias.

I see you're going off topic again. I seem to remember you getting all over me for this in another thread. Humph.

There are zero facts that the 512mb GTX will "own" anything ATi has announced. Its also very hypocritical of you to even talk about it. You've said many times that the XT (which has actually been seen, and reviewed, unlike the 512mb GTX) wasnt worth talking about, since it wasnt on the streets yet. You've gone as far as calling it the Phantom Edition, among other things. Why the change of heart now? Its pretty obvious to me.

Yeah dual GPU cards sure seem nice. Two GPU's on one card, easier for most everyone. I have not seen any 4xSLI numbers, or proof that it will even work. If it does, thats great to, for the 3dmark benching marking crowd. The simple fact is, Crossfire and SLI are by FAR the minority. In short, it doesnt matte to most people.

edit;

Originally posted by: Rollo
The thing is:
1. He posted no link to the hotfix
2. It's beta anyway, even if there
3. I wouldn't be surprised if at least two of the three products you mention beat the often delayed X1800XT Phantom Edition to market.


If what I suspect about 7800GTX 512MB performance is true, anyone wanting to match it with a X1800XT better call Mooxie and Sampson for liquid nitrogen tips.

Why should I post the link? Its not hard to find. Beta? Yeah, until the next release. Why even mention beta? Most of NV drivers are beta, you dont seem to mention those. And of course you couldnt post with an remart towards the XT. And you claim you arent bias, heh.

 

[Snakexor]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

And the "OpenGL fix" is not available to the public, AFAIK. (sort of like the XT)

As far as you know? Thats because you didnt put forth any effort into checking to see if it was or not.

Its avail from ATi's site, to the public.

The XT isnt supposed to be yet. Thats next week, supposedly. Thats like me complaining that the 512mb GTX isnt available yet.

I don't think their Open GL fix is going to matter either.

The 7800GTX owns anything that's available, the 512MB version will soon own anything ATI has announced.

Dual GPU cards will do the same, and QUAD SLI will destroy any Crossfire.

nVidia FTW- you heard it here first.

I don't see ATI having a holiday market this season, unless you know about some mystery card with more than 16 pipes Ackmed?

rollo, you either need to take the side of "lets not discuss phantom-ware" or totally include it....make up your mind......

in my english class today we talked about fact and opinion, and you rollo, are giving only opinion, which hopefully in everyones eyes in the video forum, is perceived that way for what it is....trolling ati's phantom-ware with nvidias phantom-ware





on a side note, you probably dont care what a member with a low post count such as i have to say, rollo, but you are single handedly the worst member that has ever set their mouse pointer over the video forum tab and clicked....without you the forum would be a much nicer, less fanboish place...

 

[nRollo]

You're misunderstanding me Ackmed.

I'm not saying the memory controller tweaks of the X1800 are "bad", I'm saying I think they won't matter much because I don't think many people will be buying X1800s.

Time will tell, but I think nV has their number.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

haha, this is classic

you claim the fix isnt available to the public, Ackmed shows that obviously it is, then you switch up and say the fix doesnt matter!!!

LOL, classic material.

"your honor, my client is not guilty"
"we have video of him killing the victim"
"oh, well, it doesnt really matter that he killed him"

btw, the 7800 ultra, the quad sli, and the dual GT are all Phantom cards because we cant buy them right now

The thing is:
1. He posted no link to the hotfix
2. It's beta anyway, even if there
3. I wouldn't be surprised if at least two of the three products you mention beat the often delayed X1800XT Phantom Edition to market.


If what I suspect about 7800GTX 512MB performance is true, anyone wanting to match it with a X1800XT better call Mooxie and Sampson for liquid nitrogen tips.

1. its not his job to post a hotlink, he knows where to find it. if others want it, he said its on ATi's site. Ackmed doesnt need to hold other members' hands to the link

2. you said its not available to the public. it clearly is, the fact into beta wasnt called into question

3. that doesnt change the fact that they are phantom ware at the moment

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Snakexor

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

And the "OpenGL fix" is not available to the public, AFAIK. (sort of like the XT)

As far as you know? Thats because you didnt put forth any effort into checking to see if it was or not.

Its avail from ATi's site, to the public.

The XT isnt supposed to be yet. Thats next week, supposedly. Thats like me complaining that the 512mb GTX isnt available yet.

I don't think their Open GL fix is going to matter either.

The 7800GTX owns anything that's available, the 512MB version will soon own anything ATI has announced.

Dual GPU cards will do the same, and QUAD SLI will destroy any Crossfire.

nVidia FTW- you heard it here first.

I don't see ATI having a holiday market this season, unless you know about some mystery card with more than 16 pipes Ackmed?

rollo, you either need to take the side of "lets not discuss phantom-ware" or totally include it....make up your mind......

in my english class today we talked about fact and opinion, and you rollo, are giving only opinion, which hopefully in everyones eyes in the video forum, is perceived that way for what it is....trolling ati's phantom-ware with nvidias phantom-ware





on a side note, you probably dont care what a member with a low post count such as i have to say, rollo, but you are single handedly the worst member that has ever set their mouse pointer over the video forum tab and clicked....without you the forum would be a much nicer, less fanboish place...

It's nice you took the time to attack me, but:

1. I didn't ask your opinion of me, it has no place in a thread about video cards. It's an off topic, unwelcome attack I will be PMing to the mods.

2. I bring this forum news it wouldn't otherwise get.

3. I work pretty hard to get you guys info about video hardware. Did you buy four flavors of SLI and banch them this year for the board?

4. I give money and computer parts to AT forum members on whims, and have done so many times.

I'm the "worst member ever to click on the forums"? Why don't you explain to us what you do that is comparable, and makes you a better forum member in a position to judge me? I'm VERY interested to know, as I'm sure the board is, as you've raised the issue.

Now that I'm through with what should be unnecessary defense of myself, I'll tell you what REALLY happened in regard to this.

I found out about the 512MB 7800GTX a few days ago.

I was given a release date when I could actually discuss details, and left it at that.

I saw a thread about OCer UK saying they have X1800XTs in stock. I started wondering if ATI might actually get the card to market before the 512MB 7800GTX

I considered that I would be PISSED if I bought a X1800XT and a few days later a card came out that destroys it.

I emailed my buddies at nV, asked for permission to do what I did: post that I'm aware of the specs and MSRP of the new part, and that people should at least wait till it launches to compare before making a choice.

That's what I did, and why. I don't make a dime off doing stuff like this, it is my hobby. Actually, what I do on this board costs me more than you'll probably ever spend on PC equipment.

So please, tell us what qualifies you to be the judge of me, and why I should have just let you guys buy XTs if they make it to market very soon.

I could have done that, and laughed much if I was really the "evil man" you portray me to be?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
3. that doesnt change the fact that they are phantom ware at the moment

Fair enough, but the XT is Phantom Ware as well?

As noted in post to Snakexor, what would you have liked me to do?

Hold my tongue, let you guys order XTs when I know a card will be out very soon that should destroy it?

Some people are happy to have this info.

I'm sorry you're not, and by all means, if the XT makes it to market first, I hope you get on of the first copies.

 

[Snakexor]

you are constantly starting arguement with your often times not so subtlel undertones of "nVidia roxors my boxors, and since i have $$ and share it, it must own you as well!!!!111"

and i do not need to donate in order to be considered in good standing w/mods etc

another life lesson you might need to learn from an 18 year old, is that people who give charity and mean it do it for self satisfaction, not to gloat about on hardware forums...

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Snakexor
you are constantly starting arguement with your often times not so suddel undertones of "nVidia roxors my boxors, and since i have $$ and share it, it must own you as well!!!!111"

and i do not need to donate in order to be considered in good standing w/mods etc

another life lesson you might need to learn from an 18 year old, is that people who give charity and mean it do it for self satisfaction, not to gloat about on hardware forums...

That's subtle. I agree with Rollo, if the rumored specs of this upcoming 512 MB 7800 GTX are true, it is going to be a monster and X1800XT will be DOA. However, can anyone here honestly say they would be surprised by this? nVidia has had the market to themselves for 4 months without any real competition from ATi. This has given them plenty of time to make a lot of money and easily tweak their core for a minor speed bump. Didn't Dave Orton mention in an ATi conference call to his investors that even he believed a slightly OC'd 7800 GTX would beat the R520? Hey if the ATi CEO is saying it, why do you doubt it?

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
3. that doesnt change the fact that they are phantom ware at the moment

Fair enough, but the XT is Phantom Ware as well?

As noted in post to Snakexor, what would you have liked me to do?

Hold my tongue, let you guys order XTs when I know a card will be out very soon that should destroy it?

Some people are happy to have this info.

I'm sorry you're not, and by all means, if the XT makes it to market first, I hope you get on of the first copies.

of course, i never said the x1800xt isnt phantom ware

i'm not convinced that this new card will "destroy" an XT either. prolly outperform it, skeptical about destroying it

as for me, the info doesnt change my actions in any way. i prolly wont buy either. BTW, i'm not saying you shouldnt share this info. all i'm sayin is that both cards are phantom ware

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Snakexor
you are constantly starting arguement with your often times not so suddel undertones of "nVidia roxors my boxors, and since i have $$ and share it, it must own you as well!!!!111"

and i do not need to donate in order to be considered in good standing w/mods etc

another life lesson you might need to learn from an 18 year old, is that people who give charity and mean it do it for self satisfaction, not to gloat about on hardware forums...

That's subtle. I agree with Rollo, if the rumored specs of this upcoming 512 MB 7800 GTX are true, it is going to be a monster and X1800XT will be DOA. However, can anyone here honestly say they would be surprised by this? nVidia has had the market to themselves for 4 months without any real competition from ATi. This has given them plenty of time to make a lot of money and easily tweak their core for a minor speed bump. Didn't Dave Orton mention in an ATi conference call to his investors that even he believed a slightly OC'd 7800 GTX would beat the R520? Hey if the ATi CEO is saying it, why do you doubt it?

i think a lot of the the 7800 GTX 512 success will be based on price, as with the x1800xt. its hard to say one will dominate the other without knowing street prices