Dec. CGW has X1800XT and XL reviewed

[M0RPH]

For those cards you mentioned, the dual GPU aspect was an intrinsic part of the design. The 7800 dual cards are just slapping two GPUs on a board and essentially running them in SLI. It's a whole different thing. Not a fair comparison to a single GPU card.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
For those cards you mentioned, the dual GPU aspect was an intrinsic part of the design. The 7800 dual cards are just slapping two GPUs on a board and essentially running them in SLI. It's a whole different thing. Not a fair comparison to a single GPU card.

I could as easily say "If nVidia chose to put a dustbuster on the 7800GTX it would be faster than the X1800XT- we're only comparing quiet, dust buster-less cards".

BTW- the Rage MAXX was a stop gap measure to fight the GF1. It basically was SLI on a board- two Rage 128 chips slapped together, and the V5 is basically SLI on a board too. Nice try though.

 

[Matt2]

It's ok Rollo. Don't let them bug you. At least you pull quotes and have basis for your threads and posts which is more than I can say for most ATI fanboys.

ATI fans have waited long enough for the X1800XT, so i say let them spend $100+ more just to cream their pants over a 10% performance lead 6 months after the GTX.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but the attacks on Rollo are getting out of hand.

My $0.02

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Matt2
It's ok Rollo. Don't let them bug you. At least you pull quotes and have basis for your threads and posts which is more than I can say for most ATI fanboys.

ATI fans have waited long enough for the X1800XT, so i say let them spend $100+ more just to cream their pants over a 10% performance lead 6 months after the GTX.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but the attacks on Rollo are getting out of hand.

My $0.02

I think the deal is that ATI fans haven't had anything to talk about for so long, and still don't, that all they have left to do is flame nVidia fans and talk about fabled cards of the future.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Matt2
It's ok Rollo. Don't let them bug you. At least you pull quotes and have basis for your threads and posts which is more than I can say for most ATI fanboys.

ATI fans have waited long enough for the X1800XT, so i say let them spend $100+ more just to cream their pants over a 10% performance lead 6 months after the GTX.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but the attacks on Rollo are getting out of hand.

My $0.02

How is a good quote when all review sites who use actual DB test point out that the 6800U is louder then the XT? Rollo is pathetic along with several others here.

 

[rcabor]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: Rollo
I got the subscription free with a game.

I'm sure their ears work and they can tell if a card is noisy, whether they write for the masses or not?

I'm not saying their deaf or inept, but it tough to judge the substance of the article without reading the full text (I'm not asking you to type the whole thing up)

Like I said in the original post, they pretty much like the card except for the noise.

The stock cooler on the XL was not noisy to me, so its all subjective. I have heard both the GT and the XL and at load I cannot really tell which one is louder. We tried it with the speakers off, and we could here the fan on the XL spin up faster, but I prefer my games with sound on.

 

[Cooler]

Rollo why would you of all people care about the amount noise from a card.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Cooler
Rollo why would you of all people care about the amount noise from a card.

Because it's coming from an ATI card.

 

[Overgloc]

I for one don't care about the noise cause i play my game on headphone. Plus i have 6 120mm fan running in a close case.

 

[johnnqq]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Looks like ATI's sucess is pissing rollo off. He has to make these troll posts (comparing XT to the 5800U is def not right) to make himself feel better.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. ati is always worse than nvidia. i thought he was just loyal to what he buys...now it's just ati in general. even if the xt is the faster card, ITS HOTTER, DRAWS MORE POWER, AND IS LOUDER. THEREFORE IT'S WORSE IN GAMES!!

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Cooler
Rollo why would you of all people care about the amount noise from a card.

Because it's coming from an ATI card.

?

and "dustbuster" (attributed to an nvidia product) was an endearing term? sounds to me many of you only consider noise a negative thing if it involves an nvidia prodcut?

fanless psu's, fanless video cards.. seems to me people endeaver to make their pc's quieter, not louder.

 

[5150Joker]

Interesting, if this card had come out 3 months ago I'd have it in my system but it's way too late to market. Bring on R580 ATi!

 

[Ackmed]

I get their mag too, but their video card reviews arent good. They use far too many synthetic benches.

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Hacp
Looks like ATI's sucess is pissing rollo off. He has to make these troll posts (comparing XT to the 5800U is def not right) to make himself feel better.

How is this a "troll post"?

As I'm getting tired of noting, it states more positive than negative about ATI?

Who am I trolling? nVidia?

:roll:

It states more positives, yet you only quote the negatives. Hmmm. And as the link shows, the XT isnt loud during normal usage. Only on boot up does it spin the fan on high.

Originally posted by: Matt2
It's ok Rollo. Don't let them bug you. At least you pull quotes and have basis for your threads and posts which is more than I can say for most ATI fanboys.

ATI fans have waited long enough for the X1800XT, so i say let them spend $100+ more just to cream their pants over a 10% performance lead 6 months after the GTX.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but the attacks on Rollo are getting out of hand.

My $0.02

Really, where is the price for the 512mb GTX? Also, he brings it on himself. He knows what hes doing, and its on purpose.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Comparing it to the 5800U isnt even a good parallel. The XT is overall the fastest card, once it comes out. The 5800U wasnt, and had worse image quality, unlike the XT.

The XT is NOT the fastest card Ackmed.

The 7800GTX is the fastest card you can buy.

The dual 7800GT is the fastest card we know of that is in production, but not for sale yet.

And we don't know anything at all about the rumored 7800Ultra or 512MB GTX.

agreed the GTX is the fastest card u can buy, who cares about the rest? r580 is the fastest card in development :roll:

you have said yourself several times that we should judge performance of video card on what is available now.

with that said, we cant say that the dual performance and 7800ultra set any bar for performance becasue they are not available

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: x80064
But he has said....once it comes out...But speaking of cards that has been reviewed, yes....it is the fastest card that we know about..

No, you're wrong like Ackmed, the Asus dual 7800GT card is the fastest card we've seen reviewed and will totally own a X1800XT in many situaions:

Fastest upcoming card we've seen benched

fastest single core card

i wonder when an ATi partner will put two cores on a PCB

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Comparing it to the 5800U isnt even a good parallel. The XT is overall the fastest card, once it comes out. The 5800U wasnt, and had worse image quality, unlike the XT.

The XT is NOT the fastest card Ackmed.

The 7800GTX is the fastest card you can buy.

The dual 7800GT is the fastest card we know of that is in production, but not for sale yet.

And we don't know anything at all about the rumored 7800Ultra or 512MB GTX.

agreed the GTX is the fastest card u can buy, who cares about the rest? r580 is the fastest card in development :roll:

you have said yourself several times that we should judge performance of video card on what is available now.

with that said, we cant say that the dual performance and 7800ultra set any bar for performance becasue they are not available

Obvioously both of you missed my once it comes out part of my post. Which is supposed to be next week. I know NV supporters dont like to think about their NV card not being the fastest anymore, but its only a matter of time.

 

[RampantAndroid]

ATI is buggered either way....the XL costs what a GTX costs...not what a GT costs....so which will you buy, a $350 7800GT, or a lesser performing $450 XL? Then we get the the XT....prob another $100 difference....where does that put the R580? I don't want to know....

ATI may be dual card solution, and the 7800s may be single, but I'm sick of these darned blowers that are made on $.05 bugets and die after less than 100 hrs of use.....plus, the bearings are buried so you can't oil them. Everyone needs to revamp their cooling solutions, seriously. Stop making us buy VF700s or NV/ATI silencers just to get some peace and quite.


If the X1800XT is noisy (screechy) a 5800 Ultra comparison is in order. Numbers show it won't beat the 7800 GTX, which makes it #2. As you may remember, the 5800 wasn't the best, and it was damn loud....hence why nVidia realised their foley, removed it from the market, and released the 5900Ultra (an very good card.)

Everyone insists on bashing rollo....I will bash him for changing his avatar, but that's all. ATI is dug themselves a hole....for those extra 6 months, they have nothing to show. No crossfire that can defeat SLI, no GTX killers, not even a single slot cooling solution. ATI has always been clocking their cards higher just to keep up with nVidia.....

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Comparing it to the 5800U isnt even a good parallel. The XT is overall the fastest card, once it comes out. The 5800U wasnt, and had worse image quality, unlike the XT.

Obvioously both of you missed my once it comes out part of my post. Which is supposed to be next week. I know NV supporters dont like to think about their NV card not being the fastest anymore, but its only a matter of time.[/quote]

What you are seeing right now is golden sample cards....the best of the best. When it comes out, you'll be lucky to get those same levels of performance.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
ATI is buggered either way....the XL costs what a GTX costs...not what a GT costs....so which will you buy, a $350 7800GT, or a lesser performing $450 XL? Then we get the the XT....prob another $100 difference....where does that put the R580? I don't want to know....

ATI may be dual card solution, and the 7800s may be single, but I'm sick of these darned blowers that are made on $.05 bugets and die after less than 100 hrs of use.....plus, the bearings are buried so you can't oil them. Everyone needs to revamp their cooling solutions, seriously. Stop making us buy VF700s or NV/ATI silencers just to get some peace and quite.


If the X1800XT is noisy (screechy) a 5800 Ultra comparison is in order. Numbers show it won't beat the 7800 GTX, which makes it #2. As you may remember, the 5800 wasn't the best, and it was damn loud....hence why nVidia realised their foley, removed it from the market, and released the 5900Ultra (an very good card.)

Everyone insists on bashing rollo....I will bash him for changing his avatar, but that's all. ATI is dug themselves a hole....for those extra 6 months, they have nothing to show. No crossfire that can defeat SLI, no GTX killers, not even a single slot cooling solution. ATI has always been clocking their cards higher just to keep up with nVidia.....

Who says the XT is loud? why dont you say OMG the 6800 series is loud! and saying the GT is better then the XL you are mistaken by alot. Especially now that the open gl drivers are fixed. I could point to multiple sites that show this. Get your fact straight BUD!

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
What you are seeing right now is golden sample cards....the best of the best. When it comes out, you'll be lucky to get those same levels of performance.

You are mistaken about stock performance and oc performance.

Either way, the oc clocks reviewers achieved are now confirmed by those who got retail cards, that is for the XL. (500->575)

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
ATI is buggered either way....the XL costs what a GTX costs...not what a GT costs....so which will you buy, a $350 7800GT, or a lesser performing $450 XL? Then we get the the XT....prob another $100 difference....where does that put the R580? I don't want to know....

ATI may be dual card solution, and the 7800s may be single, but I'm sick of these darned blowers that are made on $.05 bugets and die after less than 100 hrs of use.....plus, the bearings are buried so you can't oil them. Everyone needs to revamp their cooling solutions, seriously. Stop making us buy VF700s or NV/ATI silencers just to get some peace and quite.


If the X1800XT is noisy (screechy) a 5800 Ultra comparison is in order. Numbers show it won't beat the 7800 GTX, which makes it #2. As you may remember, the 5800 wasn't the best, and it was damn loud....hence why nVidia realised their foley, removed it from the market, and released the 5900Ultra (an very good card.)

Everyone insists on bashing rollo....I will bash him for changing his avatar, but that's all. ATI is dug themselves a hole....for those extra 6 months, they have nothing to show. No crossfire that can defeat SLI, no GTX killers, not even a single slot cooling solution. ATI has always been clocking their cards higher just to keep up with nVidia.....

Who says the XT is loud? why dont you say OMG the 6800 series is loud! and saying the GT is better then the XL you are mistaken by alot. Especially now that the open gl drivers are fixed. I could point to multiple sites that show this. Get your fact straight BUD!

I'm not mistaken...the GT still easily wins in wars in games like FEAR (take a look at anandtech's article!) and on top of that, check out user reviews for the videocard, on places like newegg....they sayw when the card hits 80C or so, the fan hits in full, sounds like a banshee, slows down when the temps dropa few degrees C, then the cycle starts over.

Plus, even if you try to make an arguement the the XL pulls equal to the GT, then you've got to account for the price difference, which is irreconcilable, unless you are an ATI fanboy, then go ahead and throw your money away without even looking at reviews.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
ATI is buggered either way....the XL costs what a GTX costs...not what a GT costs....so which will you buy, a $350 7800GT, or a lesser performing $450 XL? Then we get the the XT....prob another $100 difference....where does that put the R580? I don't want to know....

ATI may be dual card solution, and the 7800s may be single, but I'm sick of these darned blowers that are made on $.05 bugets and die after less than 100 hrs of use.....plus, the bearings are buried so you can't oil them. Everyone needs to revamp their cooling solutions, seriously. Stop making us buy VF700s or NV/ATI silencers just to get some peace and quite.


If the X1800XT is noisy (screechy) a 5800 Ultra comparison is in order. Numbers show it won't beat the 7800 GTX, which makes it #2. As you may remember, the 5800 wasn't the best, and it was damn loud....hence why nVidia realised their foley, removed it from the market, and released the 5900Ultra (an very good card.)

Everyone insists on bashing rollo....I will bash him for changing his avatar, but that's all. ATI is dug themselves a hole....for those extra 6 months, they have nothing to show. No crossfire that can defeat SLI, no GTX killers, not even a single slot cooling solution. ATI has always been clocking their cards higher just to keep up with nVidia.....

Who says the XT is loud? why dont you say OMG the 6800 series is loud! and saying the GT is better then the XL you are mistaken by alot. Especially now that the open gl drivers are fixed. I could point to multiple sites that show this. Get your fact straight BUD!

I'm not mistaken...the GT still easily wins in wars in games like FEAR (take a look at anandtech's article!) and on top of that, check out user reviews for the videocard, on places like newegg....they sayw when the card hits 80C or so, the fan hits in full, sounds like a banshee, slows down when the temps dropa few degrees C, then the cycle starts over.

Plus, even if you try to make an arguement the the XL pulls equal to the GT, then you've got to account for the price difference, which is irreconcilable, unless you are an ATI fanboy, then go ahead and throw your money away without even looking at reviews.

I dont need to look at the reviews! I own two of them and the 80-90C is a bug it runs around 60-75C second name a game other then FEAR, and no I dont have to account for the price difference, I spend my money on what I want. You wanted to compare it then you will get the damn compare. Dont start throwing bullshit out like Rollo and a few others on this forum. It no only makes you look retarded but also makes the forums less reliable

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Zstream
I dont need to look at the reviews! I own two of them and the 80-90C is a bug it runs around 60-75C second name a game other then FEAR, and no I dont have to account for the price difference, I spend my money on what I want. You wanted to compare it then you will get the damn compare. Dont start throwing bullshit out like Rollo and a few others on this forum. It no only makes you look retarded but also makes the forums less reliable

I'm hardly throwing "bullshit" out...you're just getting hyper.

Name other games? OK, lets dance: BF2, Doom3, Q4 previews, Far Cry, Splinter Cell....all those games that have always done better on nVidia, continue to do so.

As for money, it all comes down to what you're getting for the price. For many, they cannot afford a 500USD videocard. So, instead of spending 500USD on that XL, they can savve $100 and buy a GT, and get the same performance, or better. The difference between the two cards is not enough to warrant a $100 gap. When you have two cards with near equal performance, you damn well price them together, not $100 apart.

ATI was already late on this videocard release, by 6 months. They lost a good ammount of money there to nVidia's uncontested 7800GTX, and GT. Now that they have released, they hdon't have comparable pricing, and will continue to loose til they do.

Just because you have unlimited funds does not mean everyone does. When one compares videocards, you take into account everything....not just frames, but size, power consumption, heat (those two are directly linked) price, etc. The fact that the difference between the cards is around 10%, does not warrant a 28.5% increase in price, for the lesser performing card.

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: Zstream
I dont need to look at the reviews! I own two of them and the 80-90C is a bug it runs around 60-75C second name a game other then FEAR, and no I dont have to account for the price difference, I spend my money on what I want. You wanted to compare it then you will get the damn compare. Dont start throwing bullshit out like Rollo and a few others on this forum. It no only makes you look retarded but also makes the forums less reliable

I'm hardly throwing "bullshit" out...you're just getting hyper.

Name other games? OK, lets dance: BF2, Doom3, Q4 previews, Far Cry, Splinter Cell....all those games that have always done better on nVidia, continue to do so.

As for money, it all comes down to what you're getting for the price. For many, they cannot afford a 500USD videocard. So, instead of spending 500USD on that XL, they can savve $100 and buy a GT, and get the same performance, or better. The difference between the two cards is not enough to warrant a $100 gap. When you have two cards with near equal performance, you damn well price them together, not $100 apart.

ATI was already late on this videocard release, by 6 months. They lost a good ammount of money there to nVidia's uncontested 7800GTX, and GT. Now that they have released, they hdon't have comparable pricing, and will continue to loose til they do.

Just because you have unlimited funds does not mean everyone does. When one compares videocards, you take into account everything....not just frames, but size, power consumption, heat (those two are directly linked) price, etc. The fact that the difference between the cards is around 10%, does not warrant a 28.5% increase in price, for the lesser performing card.

Are you referring to this $500 card ?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102612

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Comparing it to the 5800U isnt even a good parallel. The XT is overall the fastest card, once it comes out. The 5800U wasnt, and had worse image quality, unlike the XT.

The XT is NOT the fastest card Ackmed.

The 7800GTX is the fastest card you can buy.

The dual 7800GT is the fastest card we know of that is in production, but not for sale yet.

And we don't know anything at all about the rumored 7800Ultra or 512MB GTX.

agreed the GTX is the fastest card u can buy, who cares about the rest? r580 is the fastest card in development :roll:

you have said yourself several times that we should judge performance of video card on what is available now.

with that said, we cant say that the dual performance and 7800ultra set any bar for performance becasue they are not available

Obvioously both of you missed my once it comes out part of my post. Which is supposed to be next week. I know NV supporters dont like to think about their NV card not being the fastest anymore, but its only a matter of time.

nope, didnt miss it at all. just pointing out how rollo is always talkign about current availablity and then he points to "card in the future" as being an standard for performance