Dec. CGW has X1800XT and XL reviewed

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Snakexor
you are constantly starting arguement with your often times not so suddel undertones of "nVidia roxors my boxors, and since i have $$ and share it, it must own you as well!!!!111"

and i do not need to donate in order to be considered in good standing w/mods etc

another life lesson you might need to learn from an 18 year old, is that people who give charity and mean it do it for self satisfaction, not to gloat about on hardware forums...

That's subtle. I agree with Rollo, if the rumored specs of this upcoming 512 MB 7800 GTX are true, it is going to be a monster and X1800XT will be DOA. However, can anyone here honestly say they would be surprised by this? nVidia has had the market to themselves for 4 months without any real competition from ATi. This has given them plenty of time to make a lot of money and easily tweak their core for a minor speed bump. Didn't Dave Orton mention in an ATi conference call to his investors that even he believed a slightly OC'd 7800 GTX would beat the R520? Hey if the ATi CEO is saying it, why do you doubt it?

i think a lot of the the 7800 GTX 512 success will be based on price, as with the x1800xt. its hard to say one will dominate the other without knowing street prices

Again, nVidia has had plenty of time to make healthy margins off the 7800 GTX. They can afford to beat ATi's price and will undoubtedly have a faster card if it's rumored clocks are true.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Snakexor
you are constantly starting arguement with your often times not so suddel undertones of "nVidia roxors my boxors, and since i have $$ and share it, it must own you as well!!!!111"

and i do not need to donate in order to be considered in good standing w/mods etc

another life lesson you might need to learn from an 18 year old, is that people who give charity and mean it do it for self satisfaction, not to gloat about on hardware forums...

That's subtle. I agree with Rollo, if the rumored specs of this upcoming 512 MB 7800 GTX are true, it is going to be a monster and X1800XT will be DOA. However, can anyone here honestly say they would be surprised by this? nVidia has had the market to themselves for 4 months without any real competition from ATi. This has given them plenty of time to make a lot of money and easily tweak their core for a minor speed bump. Didn't Dave Orton mention in an ATi conference call to his investors that even he believed a slightly OC'd 7800 GTX would beat the R520? Hey if the ATi CEO is saying it, why do you doubt it?

i think a lot of the the 7800 GTX 512 success will be based on price, as with the x1800xt. its hard to say one will dominate the other without knowing street prices

Again, nVidia has had plenty of time to make healthy margins off the 7800 GTX. They can afford to beat ATi's price and will undoubtedly have a faster card if it's rumored clocks are true.

i'm not sure if they can or not, after all, they are adding twice the memory of the GTX and faster memory. hopefully, they can beat the ATi pricepoint, then i may consider one

 

[the splat in the hat]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

haha, this is classic

you claim the fix isnt available to the public, Ackmed shows that obviously it is, then you switch up and say the fix doesnt matter!!!

LOL, classic material.

"your honor, my client is not guilty"
"we have video of him killing the victim"
"oh, well, it doesnt really matter that he killed him"

btw, the 7800 ultra, the quad sli, and the dual GT are all Phantom cards because we cant buy them right now

The thing is:
1. He posted no link to the hotfix
2. It's beta anyway, even if there
3. I wouldn't be surprised if at least two of the three products you mention beat the often delayed X1800XT Phantom Edition to market.


If what I suspect about 7800GTX 512MB performance is true, anyone wanting to match it with a X1800XT better call Mooxie and Sampson for liquid nitrogen tips.

hahahahahah funny ah heck............


oh dont kill ducks , they lay nice eggs !

my gtx is cool l like it , mm but then my x800xt is wikid also , the fuss is all for nothing both cards pull the frames in games and look so pretty, so ..........

 

[Elfear]

Maybe someone with a 7800GTX could run some benchmarks for us to see just what to expect from a bump in clock speed. Of course, the extra 256MB of ram can't be replicated, but I don't imagine that will make a big difference. I'll post my own results if I get a chance tonight. I only benched 2-3 games but it was kind of eye-opeing. I'd test some more games but the 7800GTX is sold so hopefully someone with some oc potential can run some tests for us.

If 3DMark05 is a test worth anything, I get ~8200 at stock clocks (3700+@2.2GHz and 7800GTX@460/1300) and ~9100 with 3700+@2.85GHz and 7800GTX@525/1350. If I had kept the cpu speed the same, the graphics oc alone would probably have netted about 9000 or so. Not sure where that places it against the X1800XT.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Snakexor
you are constantly starting arguement with your often times not so subtlel undertones of "nVidia roxors my boxors, and since i have $$ and share it, it must own you as well!!!!111"

and i do not need to donate in order to be considered in good standing w/mods etc

another life lesson you might need to learn from an 18 year old, is that people who give charity and mean it do it for self satisfaction, not to gloat about on hardware forums...

You know, funny thing is, I never knew about him giving stuff to people until now, which means he doesn't gloat about it. I think what you're problem is goes like so: I like ATI, and Rollo goes for nVidia. Therefore, I do not like Rollo because he is brining stuff against my fav company. So I'll try to make him look like an idiot.

Seriously, I don't care what you think about people...I have my opinions about people on here...but I don't voice them. These forums are for discussion, not flaming, and certainly not bashing. Grow up...

 

[RampantAndroid]

If you don't want to talk about phantom ware, this thread wouldn't be here...the XT is phantom ware.

But to a point, the NV stuff is even more so, we don't have real reviews of it, other than engineering samples.

 

[Snakexor]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: Snakexor
you are constantly starting arguement with your often times not so subtlel undertones of "nVidia roxors my boxors, and since i have $$ and share it, it must own you as well!!!!111"

and i do not need to donate in order to be considered in good standing w/mods etc

another life lesson you might need to learn from an 18 year old, is that people who give charity and mean it do it for self satisfaction, not to gloat about on hardware forums...

You know, funny thing is, I never knew about him giving stuff to people until now, which means he doesn't gloat about it. I think what you're problem is goes like so: I like ATI, and Rollo goes for nVidia. Therefore, I do not like Rollo because he is brining stuff against my fav company. So I'll try to make him look like an idiot.

Seriously, I don't care what you think about people...I have my opinions about people on here...but I don't voice them. These forums are for discussion, not flaming, and certainly not bashing. Grow up...

the whole point is he shouldnt gloat at all....and ive read in atleast 2 other threads where that is a big deal, and he touts it like his get out of jail free card

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: Snakexor
you are constantly starting arguement with your often times not so subtlel undertones of "nVidia roxors my boxors, and since i have $$ and share it, it must own you as well!!!!111"

and i do not need to donate in order to be considered in good standing w/mods etc

another life lesson you might need to learn from an 18 year old, is that people who give charity and mean it do it for self satisfaction, not to gloat about on hardware forums...

You know, funny thing is, I never knew about him giving stuff to people until now, which means he doesn't gloat about it. I think what you're problem is goes like so: I like ATI, and Rollo goes for nVidia. Therefore, I do not like Rollo because he is brining stuff against my fav company. So I'll try to make him look like an idiot.

Seriously, I don't care what you think about people...I have my opinions about people on here...but I don't voice them. These forums are for discussion, not flaming, and certainly not bashing. Grow up...

He's only 18, I still say some things I regret and I'm old enough to be his dad.

I thank you for the effort, very kind of you, but if he's anything like I was when I was 18 it might be a long shot convincing him he's wrong.

<fondly remembers bravado and impetuous nature of youth>

 

[Snakexor]

pm time

 

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Well, Rollo's seemed like a shill for NV in the past, so hopefully he's not being that way this time around with the new info on the 512 MB card (but that's a topic for a different thread).

As far as this thread goes, it looks like the "mixed bag" about the X1800XT was all positive except the sound, price, and availability. Two of the three (price and availability) are nothing new, and the sound comment is directly opposite of what most sites (with actual measurement equipment) are saying. What I've heard is that the XL is noisy as hell (which doesn't surprise me given the sound from my blowhard X800XL), but that the X1800XT is pretty quiet in comparison.

Anyhow, we'll have to see where prices fall, but with the known lineup (7800GTX and GT VS X1800XT and XL), I'd have to give the nod to the XT on the extremely high end and the GT on the very high end.

Hopefully the new NV card will be priced no more than the XT and will be faster, but somehow I get the feeling it will be even more expensive (again, I hope Rollo has been given correct info on this and that I will be proven wrong).

In the end though, I still don't see much in the sub $300 range that is any better than a previous gen X800XL and 6800GT, and I don't see much in the sub $200 range that is much better than a Two Gen Old 9800pro (6600GT seems to be the best here). Basically, it seems like the former high end/current mid range segment is stagnating, while the ultra high end relatively unreachably priced cards are getting faster and faster. This does make me wonder how the game market will unfold if only a small % of the computer buying public can afford (or is willing to pay for) a video card that will run new games.

Anyhow, the CGW review seems interesting but different than many others out there as far as the noise goes, the next NV card sounds great but Rollo has been given false info before, and new cards cost to much anyway. Bleh!!

/grumpy_old_ man OFF

Sorry Rollo, I don't mean offense, but your credibility with me is not very high due to the purevideo posts you've made in the past and your current pasttime of hyping all things NV and discounting anything ATI does. I do hope you are correct, and if so, I will adjust your relative post fact level in the future.

And, I do agree that NV has a much stronger lineup overall than ATI, but ATI has some gems mixed in with the rest of their trash.

-D'oh!

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: Snakexor
you are constantly starting arguement with your often times not so subtlel undertones of "nVidia roxors my boxors, and since i have $$ and share it, it must own you as well!!!!111"

and i do not need to donate in order to be considered in good standing w/mods etc

another life lesson you might need to learn from an 18 year old, is that people who give charity and mean it do it for self satisfaction, not to gloat about on hardware forums...

You know, funny thing is, I never knew about him giving stuff to people until now, which means he doesn't gloat about it. I think what you're problem is goes like so: I like ATI, and Rollo goes for nVidia. Therefore, I do not like Rollo because he is brining stuff against my fav company. So I'll try to make him look like an idiot.

Seriously, I don't care what you think about people...I have my opinions about people on here...but I don't voice them. These forums are for discussion, not flaming, and certainly not bashing. Grow up...

He's only 18, I still say some things I regret and I'm old enough to be his dad.

I thank you for the effort, very kind of you, but if he's anything like I was when I was 18 it might be a long shot convincing him he's wrong.

<fondly remembers bravado and impetuous nature of youth>

I'm 19...I know when I'm wrong....but then again I've been broken by my bloody computer engineering major....4 hours of sleep sucks (5 days a week)...just so you all know...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: AnnoyedGrunt
Well, Rollo's seemed like a shill for NV in the past, so hopefully he's not being that way this time around with the new info on the 512 MB card (but that's a topic for a different thread).

As far as this thread goes, it looks like the "mixed bag" about the X1800XT was all positive except the sound, price, and availability. Two of the three (price and availability) are nothing new, and the sound comment is directly opposite of what most sites (with actual measurement equipment) are saying. What I've heard is that the XL is noisy as hell (which doesn't surprise me given the sound from my blowhard X800XL), but that the X1800XT is pretty quiet in comparison.

Anyhow, we'll have to see where prices fall, but with the known lineup (7800GTX and GT VS X1800XT and XL), I'd have to give the nod to the XT on the extremely high end and the GT on the very high end.

Hopefully the new NV card will be priced no more than the XT and will be faster, but somehow I get the feeling it will be even more expensive (again, I hope Rollo has been given correct info on this and that I will be proven wrong).

In the end though, I still don't see much in the sub $300 range that is any better than a previous gen X800XL and 6800GT, and I don't see much in the sub $200 range that is much better than a Two Gen Old 9800pro (6600GT seems to be the best here). Basically, it seems like the former high end/current mid range segment is stagnating, while the ultra high end relatively unreachably priced cards are getting faster and faster. This does make me wonder how the game market will unfold if only a small % of the computer buying public can afford (or is willing to pay for) a video card that will run new games.

Anyhow, the CGW review seems interesting but different than many others out there as far as the noise goes, the next NV card sounds great but Rollo has been given false info before, and new cards cost to much anyway. Bleh!!

/grumpy_old_ man OFF

Sorry Rollo, I don't mean offense, but your credibility with me is not very high due to the purevideo posts you've made in the past and your current pasttime of hyping all things NV and discounting anything ATI does. I do hope you are correct, and if so, I will adjust your relative post fact level in the future.

And, I do agree that NV has a much stronger lineup overall than ATI, but ATI has some gems mixed in with the rest of their trash.

-D'oh!

No where did I say what the price of these cards would be, I said I was amazed by the anticipated launch and the comparative value this card will offer compared to a X1800XT.

As stated in the past, I did what I could on the Pure Video issue long before anyone else told you anything. I was given the whitepapers of Pure Video and ther OK to post my thoughts on them in advance of NDA expiration.
The whitepapers only had a list of Pure Video functionality, they did not say "the WMV9 decode acceleration will not work" like the subsequent chart did.

I found out what info I could, and reported it you because people seemed very concerned. There's no way I could have known they wouldn't be able to get that aspect working, and I'm sorry they couldn't.

The fact that they didn't is no reason to "shoot the messenger" AFAIK that is the only time my info to you has proven wrong.

So you call me a "shill". Great.

I bring you info occasionally before any website posts it, so you spit in my face and call me names.

I don't have to do this kind of stuff, I could just sit on my info and watch you all wonder?

IMO, it's fairly nice of me to go out on a limb with this stuff, and get you what info I can.

If the board doesn't want it, I don't have to go to the time and effort to get it, that is for sure.

Funny thing is, I get NOTHING out of this, other than satisfaction I've helped people. I don't WANT anything either.

Some of you make my motives out to be far more selfish or malevolent than they are.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: AnnoyedGrunt
Well, Rollo's seemed like a shill for NV in the past, so hopefully he's not being that way this time around with the new info on the 512 MB card (but that's a topic for a different thread).

As far as this thread goes, it looks like the "mixed bag" about the X1800XT was all positive except the sound, price, and availability. Two of the three (price and availability) are nothing new, and the sound comment is directly opposite of what most sites (with actual measurement equipment) are saying. What I've heard is that the XL is noisy as hell (which doesn't surprise me given the sound from my blowhard X800XL), but that the X1800XT is pretty quiet in comparison.

Anyhow, we'll have to see where prices fall, but with the known lineup (7800GTX and GT VS X1800XT and XL), I'd have to give the nod to the XT on the extremely high end and the GT on the very high end.

Hopefully the new NV card will be priced no more than the XT and will be faster, but somehow I get the feeling it will be even more expensive (again, I hope Rollo has been given correct info on this and that I will be proven wrong).

In the end though, I still don't see much in the sub $300 range that is any better than a previous gen X800XL and 6800GT, and I don't see much in the sub $200 range that is much better than a Two Gen Old 9800pro (6600GT seems to be the best here). Basically, it seems like the former high end/current mid range segment is stagnating, while the ultra high end relatively unreachably priced cards are getting faster and faster. This does make me wonder how the game market will unfold if only a small % of the computer buying public can afford (or is willing to pay for) a video card that will run new games.

Anyhow, the CGW review seems interesting but different than many others out there as far as the noise goes, the next NV card sounds great but Rollo has been given false info before, and new cards cost to much anyway. Bleh!!

/grumpy_old_ man OFF

Sorry Rollo, I don't mean offense, but your credibility with me is not very high due to the purevideo posts you've made in the past and your current pasttime of hyping all things NV and discounting anything ATI does. I do hope you are correct, and if so, I will adjust your relative post fact level in the future.

And, I do agree that NV has a much stronger lineup overall than ATI, but ATI has some gems mixed in with the rest of their trash.

-D'oh!

No where did I say what the price of these cards would be, I said I was amazed by the anticipated launch and the comparative value this card will offer compared to a X1800XT.

As stated in the past, I did what I could on the Pure Video issue long before anyone else told you anything. I was given the whitepapers of Pure Video and ther OK to post my thoughts on them in advance of NDA expiration.
The whitepapers only had a list of Pure Video functionality, they did not say "the WMV9 decode acceleration will not work" like the subsequent chart did.

I found out what info I could, and reported it you because people seemed very concerned. There's no way I could have known they wouldn't be able to get that aspect working, and I'm sorry they couldn't.

The fact that they didn't is no reason to "shoot the messenger" AFAIK that is the only time my info to you has proven wrong.

So you call me a "shill". Great.

I bring you info occasionally before any website posts it, so you spit in my face and call me names.

I don't have to do this kind of stuff, I could just sit on my info and watch you all wonder?

IMO, it's fairly nice of me to go out on a limb with this stuff, and get you what info I can.

If the board doesn't want it, I don't have to go to the time and effort to get it, that is for sure.

Funny thing is, I get NOTHING out of this, other than satisfaction I've helped people. I don't WANT anything either.

Some of you make my motives out to be far more selfish or malevolent than they are.

I have been reading this website for over a year now and YOU have not provided any more information ahead of anyone. I could go digging around and go to ATI or NVIDIA conference and provide as much information as you could.

"Funny thing is, I get NOTHING out of this, other than satisfaction I've helped people. I don't WANT anything either." In the past 20 post please provide me where you have helped people?

 

[Snakexor]

hes touting his donations again....

HEY LOOK EVERYONE I DONATED 50 DOLLARS TO THE UNITED WAY LAST MONTH, I NOW HAVE IMMUNITY!!

 

[M0RPH]

Rollo, I'm running a little short this month. Can you send me a check for a couple hundred?

 

[imported_JeReMY]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

The XT is NOT the fastest card Ackmed.

The 7800GTX is the fastest card you can buy.

WRONG!!!

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: JeReMY

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

The XT is NOT the fastest card Ackmed.

The 7800GTX is the fastest card you can buy.

WRONG!!!

What type of post is that? You offer no proof. That's like me walking up to someone, saying "God is a homosexual" and walking away, offering no proof. It kinda makes you look stupid...then when you are proved wrong, no one will even bother to listen to you anymore.

Snakexor, shut up. I would never have known of Rollo's donations if you haden't brought it up. You're fighting a war against Rollo, first off when this is about videocards, and second off, when you are the one on the offensive are thus you look like a complete dick. Grow up, really.

 

[Snakexor]

ill make sure i do that in a hurry since im only 18 and maturity ONLY comes with age....

i want to talk about videocards, fair and square, which is why im going after rollo, because he in fact cannot discuss them without bias

 

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Originally posted by: Rollo
No where did I say what the price of these cards would be, I said I was amazed by the anticipated launch and the comparative value this card will offer compared to a X1800XT.

As stated in the past, I did what I could on the Pure Video issue long before anyone else told you anything. I was given the whitepapers of Pure Video and ther OK to post my thoughts on them in advance of NDA expiration.
The whitepapers only had a list of Pure Video functionality, they did not say "the WMV9 decode acceleration will not work" like the subsequent chart did.

I found out what info I could, and reported it you because people seemed very concerned. There's no way I could have known they wouldn't be able to get that aspect working, and I'm sorry they couldn't.

The fact that they didn't is no reason to "shoot the messenger" AFAIK that is the only time my info to you has proven wrong.

So you call me a "shill". Great.

I bring you info occasionally before any website posts it, so you spit in my face and call me names.

I don't have to do this kind of stuff, I could just sit on my info and watch you all wonder?

IMO, it's fairly nice of me to go out on a limb with this stuff, and get you what info I can.

If the board doesn't want it, I don't have to go to the time and effort to get it, that is for sure.

Funny thing is, I get NOTHING out of this, other than satisfaction I've helped people. I don't WANT anything either.

Some of you make my motives out to be far more selfish or malevolent than they are.

Well, maybe "shill" was a bit harsh, but the constant degrading of ATI and hyping of NV, plus the inaccurate info in the past has tarnished your contributions somewhat IMO. It's just hard to take some of your info seriously when at times you seem very eager to take NV's side in any situation. You were always saying how great the 5800U was, now you are highlighting noise "problems" with X1800. You were always saying PS2.0 was not worth it at the time, but then completely switched your tune with PS3.0 (all the while trying to say that only the ATI fans were switching their tune). The point is, that over the last couple years that I have been reading the boards, I do not remember you making overall positive posts about ATI and overall negative posts about NV. You always say how you own cards from both MFG's, etc, etc, but your posts do not reflect the relative equality between the products of the two companies. Therefore, I get the feeling that you strongly favor NV over ATI and that makes your information suspect.

However, that doesn't mean that I do not find value in most of your posts. It's just that I'd find more value if they were more honest in their assesment of all the products (and by honest I mean that you would recognize the benefits of both the ATI tech and the NV tech).

So, thank you for your contributions in the past, and please share what you know about future products. Just realize that because you are such a well known and prolific poster here, people will get an overall impression of your posts, and that impression will reflect how your future posts are percieved. Again, I hope you are right about the NV stuff (and with the rumors floating around it is sounding more and more like you may be correct), and if so, I will remember that when you post G7X or G80 info, and weigh your info accordingly.

-D'oh!

 

[Snakexor]

i couldnt agree with grunt more, that is exactly what im trying to say

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Snakexor
ill make sure i do that in a hurry since im only 18 and maturity ONLY comes with age....

i want to talk about videocards, fair and square, which is why im going after rollo, because he in fact cannot discuss them without bias

Weeeee, more immaturity, this just never ends...the term "grow up" does not mean age...especially since you cannot force yourself to age faster than you already do....unless you travel faster than the speed of light. It means stop being so immature, act "grown up" and professional...

I don't think you want to talk about videocards. All I've really seen you do is attack rollo....thats all this thread is anymore. You and a few others came in, and turned it from debating videocards to attacking someone.....

So get back on topic, or shut the hell up and let the topic die.

 

[Snakexor]

sir, you in an earlier thread dismissed me because i was 18, and i was automatically immature because of it

if you didnt detect the sarcasm you need to take people classses

finally, if you read any of my other posts, i am not one to start "ish", i help people with problems with their hardware and want to know what is my best upgrade path regardless or the manufacturer...

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
I'm 19...I know when I'm wrong....but then again I've been broken by my bloody computer engineering major....4 hours of sleep sucks (5 days a week)...just so you all know...

That is what I said of your age. I did not dismiss you because of your age. Your're trying to put words in my mouth....I know some very mature 15 year olds. I said this once already: age does not = maturity. Hence the meaning of the term "grow up."

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
It's quieter than a 6800U, a vanilla 6800, or a dual 7800GTX setup (like you use Rollo... gee that noise must kill you.)

At least as measured by Techreport

It's really not THAT loaud of a card and not nearly as loud as the 5800U was. The noise issue is being exaggerated. I imagine it was just one of a number of bulleted points in the article but Rollo chose to quote just that.

TR talking about the noise:
"The sound levels the meter picked up track pretty well with my perception of the X1000 series' coolers. The two X1800 cards are reasonably quiet. The XT's dual-slot cooler can be loud when it kicks into high gear as the system powers on, but otherwise, it just whispers. I suppose it might crank itself up inside of a warm case, but it was a model citizen on our open test bench. The X1800 XL, though, had an annoying habit of kicking its cooling fan into high gear for no apparent reason when idle on the Windows desktop." -TR

 

[gtx4u]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: x80064
But he has said....once it comes out...But speaking of cards that has been reviewed, yes....it is the fastest card that we know about..

No, you're wrong like Ackmed, the Asus dual 7800GT card is the fastest card we've seen reviewed and will totally own a X1800XT in many situaions:

Fastest upcoming card we've seen benched

that dual-7800gt is gonna cost at least 649 dollars.

a x1800 xt in would cost 499 or cheaper if ATI can supply enough quanity on release date

nothing is fair unless what u make of it.

But rollo I think u are some kind of nVidia agent or something that is working hard to increase their sales. LoL