Compilation: Should this person be allowed to own a gun?

[Captante]

Funny thing I've noticed about houses ... they don't move around a whole lot and are thus really easy to find at zero dark-thirty. (protecting yourself by hiding in your "castle" stopped working in the middle ages)

Better board up your windows and learn to sleep with one eye open quick-draw McGraw.... if it were me or my kid that POS took a shot at it would be war. (your "big man" gun will only help you if you see me coming... and you won't.)

 

[woolfe9998]

Surprised we missed this one as it just happened last week.

Two Texas cheerleaders shot after one gets into wrong car

A 25-year-old man has been charged over the shooting at a supermarket carpark in Austin, Texas.

www.bbc.com

Happened in Texas in a supermarket parking lot. Two cheerleaders, 18 years old.

Cheerleader Heather Roth said she got out of her friend's car to get into her own vehicle, but mistakenly picked the wrong car.
There was a man in the passenger seat, so she retreated back to her friend's vehicle.
"I see the guy get out of the passenger door. And I rolled my window down, and I was trying to apologise to him... and he just threw his hands up and he pulled out a gun and he just starting shooting at all of us," she said.
Ms Roth was grazed by a bullet but was not badly injured. Ms Washington suffered more serious injuries - the owner of the cheerleading team said her spleen ruptured and her pancreas and diaphragm were damaged.

 

[MrSquished]

I mean all this is insane. Turns out the US is a shithole country where you can get shot for any damn thing. Thanks Republican gun fetishist sicko party!

 

[Sunburn74]

Gun ownership should be predicated on:

Taking and passing a class on responsible ownership, safety and legal requirements.

A complete background check including medical verification of mental stability.

Couldn't agree more.
Would add requirements to recertify intermittently (no license should ever be lifelong) but we're basically on the same page.

I mean countless times I've knocked on a wrong door or tried to open the door of a similar looking car or uber driver or something. I mean, what in the world is this country coming to when you can be blown away on sight for these sorts of things?

 

[Vic]

Surprised we missed this one as it just happened last week.

Two Texas cheerleaders shot after one gets into wrong car

A 25-year-old man has been charged over the shooting at a supermarket carpark in Austin, Texas.

www.bbc.com

Happened in Texas in a supermarket parking lot. Two cheerleaders, 18 years old.

Imagine being such a freakin incel that a beautiful 18 yo cheerleader gets in your car and your first impulse is to shoot her.

 

[brycejones]

Couldn't agree more.
Would add requirements to recertify intermittently (no license should ever be lifelong) but we're basically on the same page.

I mean countless times I've knocked on a wrong door or tried to open the door of a similar looking car or uber driver or something. I mean, what in the world is this country coming to when you can be blown away on sight for these sorts of things?

The big difference is you might vote for someone willing to do something about it. The poster you are responding too doesn’t care enough to let this issue influence who he votes for.

 

[HomerJS]

Yeah...yeah...
Everyone's a responsible gun owner until they are not.

MSN

 

[pauldun170]

Still waiting for someone to define “well-regulated militia”.

In my ideal fairytale scenario, counties and municipalities would all have an official militia with a secured arsenal/armory. All citizens registered to vote would share volunteer duties at this armory “fort”, like jury duty, and spend a week on guard duty when their name comes up. Periodic proficiency testing would allow people to age out naturally. Felony convictions for any violent crime would disqualify you from duty and ownership.

All semi-automatic weapons and certain calibers in the county would be required to be stored at one of these secure locations, but private ownership would be maintained. There would be a limit on the number of small arms one could keep in their home and further limits on amount of ammunition outside the armory. These regulations could vary based on urban/rural location, population density, and local wildlife/threats. But there would be no interstate transport of guns and no reciprocity for carry permits with a setup like this.

Firearm use and safety would be required in high school (or equivalent training for a GED.) Federal officials would not be allowed within 1000 yards of an armory, and ownership records would be sealed.

I'm gonna go with what every else said up to the NRA forming it political arm in the 1970s.

Well regulated militia is the National guard before it was was centralized under federal control.
The idea that States had the right to form armed forces.
So when we talk about the second amendment, it clearly lays out that States can form militaries and arm state residents
Note that the amendment says nothing about citizens. It states the people. The people at the time of writing were considered anyone living in continental US.

But what do I know....

 

[HomerJS]

A professional psych evaluation would have exposed this guy's anger issues and rejected his gun application.

Man accused of murdering neighbor after quarrel over leaf blower

Ettore Lacchei, 79, is charged with first-degree murder in the shooting that killed his next-door neighbor, William Martys, 59.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Pohemi]

Another case of shooting someone out of rage over a trivial matter ($40).

Police say man continued date after fatal shooting over $40

HOUSTON (AP) — A Texas man on a date who paid $40 to park, only to learn inside a Houston burger joint that he was scammed, allegedly went back and fatally shot the man posing as an attendant and then returned for dinner, according to court records.

apnews.com

'A Texas man has been accused by authorities of pausing his dinner date to fatally shoot an individual who had allegedly posed as a parking attendant and scammed him out of $40, according to court records...

...“The problem is that guns are just so widely available and there’s a lot of misinterpretation on when you can use deadly force,” Scheiner said. “You have a lot of guns and not very much knowledge.” '

He's right about that, but this wasn't due to a lack of knowledge. This guy did this purely out of anger...for the theft but also for interrupting and humiliating him during his dinner date. Guy is a sociopath at the very least, if not a psychopath.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yeah...yeah...
Everyone's a responsible gun owner until they are not.

MSN

They ultimately found 17 large-capacity ammunition magazines at his house, which are illegal in the town.

and they should hold him accountable for his illegal action(s).

 

[MrSquished]

Another case of shooting someone out of rage over a trivial matter ($40).

Police say man continued date after fatal shooting over $40

HOUSTON (AP) — A Texas man on a date who paid $40 to park, only to learn inside a Houston burger joint that he was scammed, allegedly went back and fatally shot the man posing as an attendant and then returned for dinner, according to court records.

apnews.com

'A Texas man has been accused by authorities of pausing his dinner date to fatally shoot an individual who had allegedly posed as a parking attendant and scammed him out of $40, according to court records...

...“The problem is that guns are just so widely available and there’s a lot of misinterpretation on when you can use deadly force,” Scheiner said. “You have a lot of guns and not very much knowledge.” '

He's right about that, but this wasn't due to a lack of knowledge. This guy did this purely out of anger...for the theft but also for interrupting and humiliating him during his dinner date. Guy is a sociopath at the very least, if not a psychopath.

What a shithole country we have become thanks to the Republicans. You can now get shot and killed for pulling in the wrong driveway, stepping into the wrong car as a young teenage girl, being black and ringing a doorbell, being a DoorDash driver and pulling into the wrong driveway, and now scamming someone out of 40 bucks. Not to mention just going to school or going to a grocery store or a Walmart or a synagogue or a church.

What a shithole country the Republicans have made this. We are an embarrassment to the world. In no other first world country can you be shot and killed at any given moment for doing absolutely nothing wrong just existing, because Republicans are fucking gun nut fetishist sickos

 

[Sunburn74]

I moved out of texas a long time ago and it was the best decision I ever made. The state is literally bonkers.

Also last night someone I didn't know knocked on my door around 8pm. Turns out they wanted the neighbor's door. Guess, what? I didn't blow them away with my AR 15 on sight. What an age we live in where you get a medal and pat on the back for not doing that.

 

[pmv]

How about this guy?

(I can see some here arguing it would be justified if it had been about bacon).

Missouri man holds grocery store worker at gunpoint while demanding steaks

Larry Gene Gay, 70, brandished a loaded semi-automatic pistol inside a Price Cutter store in Republic

www.independent.co.uk

Larry Gene Gay, 70, pulled out a loaded semi-automatic pistol inside a Price Cutter store in Republic on 18 April during a dispute over a closed meat counter.

Mr Gay told police he was trying to buy steaks when the “good man” helping him said he would be unable to weigh the meat because the counter was closed

 

[Greenman]

How about this guy?

(I can see some here arguing it would be justified if it had been about bacon).

Missouri man holds grocery store worker at gunpoint while demanding steaks

Larry Gene Gay, 70, brandished a loaded semi-automatic pistol inside a Price Cutter store in Republic

www.independent.co.uk

I herd this story shortly after it happened. At that time the story was that he never drew his weapon, but pointed at it while arguing with a clerk.

 

[K1052]

I own a lot of guns and think everyone owning guns without basically any requirements is just a terrible fucking idea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652320998002245633

 

[MrSquished]

I own a lot of guns and think everyone owning guns without basically any requirements is just a terrible fucking idea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652320998002245633

Holy fuck. This is just routine now.

Shithole country stuff.

 

[soundforbjt]

Florida's statute says that deadly force is presumed necessary when someone "was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle...." In other words, the presumption does not apply to someone who is on your property but not in your dwelling and not physically entering your dwelling. This is the typical castle doctrine.

Those drivers should report the matter to state police and/or FBI as the local police are lying.

Police always lie, there’s no requirement for them to tell the truth, they are actually trained to lie.

 

[HomerJS]

I own a lot of guns and think everyone owning guns without basically any requirements is just a terrible fucking idea. That direction the Republican Party is pushing the country by removing responsibility from ownership.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652320998002245633

Updated for you

 

[K1052]

Police always lie, there’s no requirement for them to tell the truth, they are actually trained to lie.

Most statements from the cops have to be inverted to arrive anywhere close to the truth.

 

[pauldun170]

I own a lot of guns and think everyone owning guns without basically any requirements is just a terrible fucking idea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652320998002245633

How acceptable these murders might be to Americans may have a regional influence.

The Surprising Geography of Gun Violence

America’s regions are poles apart when it comes to gun deaths and the cultural and ideological forces that drive them.

www.politico.com

Given the location, I fully expect a local law to be passed to ban police departments from publishing information identifying the type of firearm used and for the 10 gallon hat brigade to spin this as a democrat influenced late term abortion on the 8 year old and some bullshit about Jesus or angels or some nonsense.

 

[MrSquished]

How acceptable these murders might be to Americans may have a regional influence.

The Surprising Geography of Gun Violence

America’s regions are poles apart when it comes to gun deaths and the cultural and ideological forces that drive them.

www.politico.com

Given the location, I fully expect a local law to be passed to ban police department from publish information identifying the type of firearm used and for the 10 gallon hat brigade to spin this as a democrat influenced late term abortion on the 8 year old and some bullshit about Jesus or angels or some nonsense.

It's crazy that 10 years ago I would have said, you be speaking some crazy talk! But really, while it won't be exactly like that, the evil GQP is perfectly capable of spewing out and doing things not too far off from your statement.

 

[Sunburn74]

It's crazy that 10 years ago I would have said, you be speaking some crazy talk! But really, while it won't be exactly like that, the evil GQP is perfectly capable of spewing out and doing things not too far off from your statement.

I read that politico story and it's absolutely spot on. Go back through the thread of gun shootings and count the number of red vs blue states and you'll see a stark divide. Having lived in one of the craziest red states of them all, I'll tell you that everyday in the news was a constant stream of shootings, usually one to two people shot dead but often over trivial things like catching someone cheating or getting into a car accident or things like that. There was a book called freakonomics a while back where a professor tried to explain this. Basically he reasoned that ancestors for many red state people came from cultures where protecting one's personal honor was extremely important (or even considered a matter of life and death) and this has translated over time to an extreme tendency to use violence for relatively simple situations where the right thing would be just to walk away or to go to the authorities. It was a fascinating read and made a bit of sense to me. They even tested it in an experiment where they created a situation where ones honor would be mildly slighted in a controlled setting and all the red state guys were getting hot and bothered and ready to fight whilst the blue state guys just laughed and walked away.

 

[UNCjigga]

I wouldn't be surprised if other countries issued travel advisories for Florida or other states based on propensity for trigger-happy rednecks with guns, loose carry restrictions and anti-LGBTQ legislation. But it'll take a lot for the international conference industry to quit Florida.

 

[HomerJS]

I wouldn't be surprised if other countries issued travel advisories for Florida or other states based on propensity for trigger-happy rednecks with guns, loose carry restrictions and anti-LGBTQ legislation. But it'll take a lot for the international conference industry to quit Florida.

NAACP issued Florida warning for black people. Considering how SYG is enforced I consider it a reasonable warning.