Can minorities really get away with doing what Kramer did?

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Atheus
There was a vid posted recently of an old black dude saying they should 'exterminate white people before its too late' at some kind of conference. Everyone clapped.

By everyone, you mean like 10 people?

 

[episodic]

It is further complicated by the fact that not all white people's anscestors did horrible things to blacks. I'm Irish and of a catholic family - we were treated about as bad. . . back in the day, especially in the south. Mother was a sharecropper (legal slave). . .

 

[KarenMarie]

you need a poll

my answer is yes.

 

[Rachael]

Yes, there is a double standard. There is a double standard in some areas that benefits minorities. There is a double standard in other areas that benefits whites. As a (white) person who has only experienced one end of things, I'm not really in the position to judge which of these standards is more harmful.

The incident that occured with Kramer, that's something else entirely. I honestly think that he was not "all there" at the time- be it under the influence of drugs, alchohol, some sort of mental breakdown or attack. Closet racist or not, could he really have sanely gone off like that, knowing that it would certainly destroy his career and people's opinions of him?

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: episodic
It is further complicated by the fact that not all white people's anscestors did horrible things to blacks. I'm Irish and of a catholic family - we were treated about as bad. . . back in the day, especially in the south. Mother was a sharecropper (legal slave). . .

My ancestors lived in the Scottish lowlands and got all their land taken away by the English and were forced to flee to Ireland. Yet you don't see me complaining to English people about that. THey're not responsible for what happened 300 years ago. I really don't understand how "White" people are all lumped together.

I very much doubt my ancestors went around lyncing blacks, like Narmer seems to think all whites did back then. They were too busy starving to death in Ireland.

I'm sorry, but I really do feel some blacks have a victim complex. Some honestly seem to think "White people" back in the 19th century went around lynching blacks between cups of tea and a game of cricket. I strongly suspect the vast majority were decent people, rather than murderers.

 

[SolMiester]

Yeah, precious ******'s...man, talk about political correctness gone too far...thats all we have nowadays, everybody too worried about someone crying over a few words....******, in that Krammer video, he was hecked...he gave the guy ****** about it and he cried......I dont understand how the victim can go to such shows and not expect a wind up when he heckles the entertainment...

 

[Coquito]

Being light-skinned because of my Spaniard descent, I have seen both sides in person(with much restraint). Racism is everywhere. When a certain ethnic group reacts negatively towards another, in essence, they create a bond between them. Many people are not close with something unique in their heritage, so they must default to the lowest common denominator. Racism sadly, is a unifier. It's simple enough to hate people for no other reason then to define yourself, and that's just terrible.

 

[Red Dawn]

Being a White Male in America has a lot of advantages, I'm not gonna get my undies in a bunch over perceived double standards

 

[chairbornrangerx]

And if everyone is supposed to be equal, how come we have so many damn amendments and laws after the original bill of rights? It just goes to show that laws are applied discriminately and might equals right (even in the civilized world). Otherwise, the Bill of Right would've been enforced from the day it came to being.

or its because they were written a long time ago and things change?? Write a law about not shooting deer because they were on the verge of extinction, and if they came back into the billions you want to shoot deer for population control?? things change.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Double standards 101
Black comedian says "Kill Whitey" = Standing ovation.
White comedian says "Kill Darkie" = Lynching.

- M4H

I've never seen a black comedian say "kill whitey"

 

[chairbornrangerx]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

were you spoon fed all your life to hate white people? or have you had a lot of bad experiences? I know racism still exists, my ex wife, and current gf are both black, I see it, but still... you got some hate issues bro, reacting the way you are only fuels the fire.

 

[Al Neri]

What have minorities done to take down the boundaries? They support equal opportunity, they have "all-insert-racial-group-here" lobbying groups and organizations, etc.

Move on. Assimilate. The more you create boundaries the longer the boundaries exist. Racism is created by the minorities.

That being said within 50 years, whites will be the minorities, and I expect them to milk it to the fullest extent

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Double standards 101
Black comedian says "Kill Whitey" = Standing ovation.
White comedian says "Kill Darkie" = Lynching.

- M4H

YAGT:I've never seen a black comedian say "kill whitey"

Fixed.

 

[chairbornrangerx]

A black person can say he wants to nuke every white person on earth and people would just laugh their ass off. But if a white person said he wanted to nuke Japan or a German saying that he wanted to kill all Jews, people sure as hell would take him personally.

hrm, I don't think I'd laugh...

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: chairbornrangerx

A black person can say he wants to nuke every white person on earth and people would just laugh their ass off. But if a white person said he wanted to nuke Japan or a German saying that he wanted to kill all Jews, people sure as hell would take him personally.

hrm, I don't think I'd laugh...

It's really not that big of a deal.

 

[chairbornrangerx]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: chairbornrangerx

A black person can say he wants to nuke every white person on earth and people would just laugh their ass off. But if a white person said he wanted to nuke Japan or a German saying that he wanted to kill all Jews, people sure as hell would take him personally.

hrm, I don't think I'd laugh...

It's really not that big of a deal.

I know =)

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: Narmer
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...did=1962667&STARTPAGE=11&enterthread=y

That's my opinion on one part of the "Double Standard."

EDIT: After all the evil things white people have done to Blacks, Jews, Indians, native Americans and many, many others, can those group honestly do anything to hurt their feelings (white people)? That's the jist of the so called "double standard."

I want an answer to that.

Times are different now and ignorant people will live forever.

 

[tfcmasta97]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Double standards 101
Black comedian says "Kill Whitey" = Standing ovation.
White comedian says "Kill Darkie" = Lynching.

- M4H

Why do you think this is? Maybe the term double standard is not accurate. I have to work on my english.

See what has happened to blacks and minorities in America. The same has not happened to whites. People are sensitive to this sort of stuff. It makes them uncomfortable. Like I said, whites control the power in America for the most part and that is among the reasons they are a bigger target - along with their size in population. Look at things proportionally.

Go away. Slavery ended 143 years ago, move the fvck on.

Wow, we know that. If there were no problems, we would not have the civil rights marches and protests in the 50s, 60s and 70s. We would not have lynchings and bombings of blacks and others. We would not have segregation and mistreatment of blacks and minorities. There is still a lot of racism in America and it comes in many shapes and forms. Just because slavery ended does not mean that things were perfect afterwards - far from it.

Absolutely, but I'm sick of people pointing the finger back to slavery for all the problems "African-Americans" face today. There's been 143 years for that race to pull themselves together and gain the equality they desire. While up until the past thirty or forty years has been difficult, it's been smooth sailing for the most part since, and that whole argument goes invalid.

What Michael Richards did was shocking, yes, but wrong? Perhaps. It's been said many times but if it were a white person heckling Chris Rock, in a predominantly black crowd, there would be nothing wrong with it. It's just human nature and part of the human psychology. If you were being heckled by someone "different" from you, you would immediately point out those differences in an effort counter the heckling. You can hear in the video the majority of people laughing, save for a few PC a-holes gasping. It's just further proof that Richards let slip something we've all been wanting to say.

Just conjur up model minorty asians and blacks can't say shvt.

Dont drag the asians into this. Asians understand slavery isnt because of colour, its rich people buying poor people. WIth asians having such huge families, we all know people stuck on the other side of the world poor as ******, or rich enough to pay for the cheap labour. The poor people are also held stuck into positions they cant escape, stuck in poverty but they deal with it cuz life isnt fair over there, and they dont try to make it seem like it should be.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Narmer
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...did=1962667&STARTPAGE=11&enterthread=y

That's my opinion on one part of the "Double Standard."

EDIT: After all the evil things white people have done to Blacks, Jews, Indians, native Americans and many, many others, can those group honestly do anything to hurt their feelings (white people)? That's the jist of the so called "double standard."

I want an answer to that.

It's not like whites are some supreme race. They have suffered themselves throughout history. Only in the last few centuries they have the sort of ability to those things.

I can't hate a person for something that they didn't do. An organization that still exists, a country's history, etc., but not people.

You are thinking too much European or North American centric view of history. Arabs, blacks, etc. have all inflicted damage upon other races.

I think your sort of excuse is dangerous as it allows racism to thrive within groups. I think that whites in the US are the least racist because they don't come up with such ridiculous excuses.

Racism exists today. People don't want to discuss it because they're uncomfortable about it. The reason why some are uncomfortable is because there are many inconvenient truths that they'd rather keep in the closet. Sometimes, it comes spewing out like Richard's outburst. Other times, it rears it's ugly head in policies, attitudes, or some other scheme that people do to each other. Pretending it doesn't exist is stupid. Accepting it as fact and coming to terms with the past is the best way forward. Unfortunately, many people don't want to come to terms with its horrors because "they aren't responsible." Well, our society didn't just appear today, and these things need to be out in the open. Americans think that laws can amend the past. While it's a start, I believe that actually talking about it is best.

It's ironic that America imposes victor's justice on countries such as Japan, Germany, and Iraq by forcing them to confront their past but most Americans are afraid to swallow such a bitter but strong pill, over a 140 years after the Civil War. So there it lied, that dormant bias that it's beneficiaries implicitly take advantage of while its victims experience the limits of their power, whether nominal (laws) or real. Then when things like this happens, everyone likes to point to the nominal powers and scream "you're equal, move on". Of course that refusal to take the bitter pill lead to Jim Crow Laws, the rise of the KKK, and Lincoln telling Fredrick Douglas to have is people return to Africa.

There's no excuse to harm anyone and there is no danger either. If it was, places like South Africa would've turned into a bloodbath after the turnover of power. But the fundamental complaint here is people need to see things as they are and as they were, and accept them for that. But trying to hide behind nominal power will lead to a denial of the obvious.

 

[LLCOOLJ]

Be careful, Brothers start gettin strung up when the White Man gets angry

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Racism exists today. People don't want to discuss it because they're uncomfortable about it.

Of course racism exists today. I have not read one single post in this thread that indicates anyone here believes otherwise. You, however, have an agenda. And that agenda is filled with propaganda bullsh!t, such as your fabricated etymologies of the words picnic and n*gger. You have made it quite clear to me that you are easily the most racist person in this thread. Good job.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: NarmerAs for not being responsible for slavery, you're also not responsible for the invention of calculus or the invention of the wheel, but you benefit from it, right?

Please explain to me how I have benefitted from slavery.

My family came to America between the 1890's and the 1900's. My mother's side were Scotch-Irish and Welsh and settled in northwest Ohio to eek out a living as subsistance farmers. My father's family came over from Germany because they didn't like the way the political climate was heading and they settled in northwest Ohio to eek out a living as lower-class tradespeople. Both my great grandfather and my grandfather worked odd jobs just to keep their families afloat.

Not one person in my family has ever owned a slave, and neither side of my family arrived in the US early enough to have benefitted from slavery.

As far as your question, the answer is an unequivocal YES. How many times have you been called a NAZI because you have German heritage? It has happened to me more than once and if you thing for one second that being called a NAZI didn't hurt my feelings then you're dumber than a brick.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: NarmerFurthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er?

If that were true, it would be suggestive. Unfortunately for you and your stunted worldview, it's blatantly false.

From Miriam Webster:

Main Entry: 1pic·nic
Pronunciation: 'pik-(")nik
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: German or French; German Picknick, from French pique-nique

ZV

 

[Oblivionaire]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: NarmerAs for not being responsible for slavery, you're also not responsible for the invention of calculus or the invention of the wheel, but you benefit from it, right?

Please explain to me how I have benefitted from slavery.

My family came to America between the 1890's and the 1900's. My mother's side were Scotch-Irish and Welsh and settled in northwest Ohio to eek out a living as subsistance farmers. My father's family came over from Germany because they didn't like the way the political climate was heading and they settled in northwest Ohio to eek out a living as lower-class tradespeople. Both my great grandfather and my grandfather worked odd jobs just to keep their families afloat.

Not one person in my family has ever owned a slave, and neither side of my family arrived in the US early enough to have benefitted from slavery.

As far as your question, the answer is an unequivocal YES. How many times have you been called a NAZI because you have German heritage? It has happened to me more than once and if you thing for one second that being called a NAZI didn't hurt my feelings then you're dumber than a brick.

ZV

Slavery is alive and well the whole world over even today. Anyone that was paid a meager minimum wage is a slave. There are people around the world now that can't even afford to EAT and die from hunger. Slaves never died from hunger, they were well fed in order to be good workers. Slaves were given food, clothing, and shelter. Could you afford to provide those for yourself on minimum wage? I think not. Therefore I submit slaves had it better than your avg. poor whitey today working for minimum wage at McDowels, where Nigerian princes like me work just to find a suitable mate before James Earl Jones discovers my plot and announces that he is my father, Luke.

 

[Kur]

I think it's more or less attitude, an idiot can tell that "Blacks" are commonly more violent and take offense to ANYTHING, and I mean anything while other races simply shrug it off. I'm not a raciest (I laughed at that) but I mean I'm tired of this crap saying "oh well it's different, for 400 years we were slaves and lada dedo". I'm sorry but you WERE NOT THERE, the ONLY person who can make that statement is their Grandma or Grandpa, I'm tired of hearing that crap they call an excuse.

I find it funny other "Black" people can call each other the N word, while the rest of the world can't?

Sorry I'm just tired of all this crap about "White People" trying to destroy the "Black People" and lada dedo and all that crap.