Can minorities really get away with doing what Kramer did?

[clamum]

Originally posted by: raildogg
I have seem many times people here say that there is a double standard - that whites can't get away with stuff that minorities can. I say when looking at the big picture, there is no double standard. In this day, people cannot get away with stuff like this whether they are a minority or not. Whites are an easy target, of course, because of their great numbers and the power they have. When another group replaces them, they will become a bigger target. This is what I think and I could be wrong, like I am many times.

Yes, I have seen comedians make fun of whites, like the way they dance or whatever, or call them names. It can be offensive, but in a different way. What Michael Richards did was totally different and is not really comparable. We as people have to grow up.

I mostly agree with you. Whites can be made fun of and no one cares because they're the majority. Picking on a minority (like blacks) usually isn't taken quite as lightly. Not that I agree with that. People should learn to ****** RELAX sometimes and take comedy for what it is: to make you laugh and entertain you. There needs to be a day each week devoted to relaxing in this country. Like you go to the store on Thursdays and they sell you a joint or something.

As far as what Richards did, only he knows but he seemed more serious than joking around.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Minorities in this day and age can get away with murder....just ask OJ. There is truly a double standard and anyone that doesn't see it is just lying to themselves.

OJ was a rich minority, the keyword being rich. Otherwise, he wouldn't been able to afford that Dream Team. He most likely killed those people and the world is justly punishing him by ostricizng him. Nevertheless, just as many Klansmen got away with murder because of a sympathetic jury, OJ got away with murder because he had money, was famous, and took advantage of his race.

 

[clamum]

LOL

Picnic came from "pic a n*gger" HAHAHAHAHAHA

Who the ****** would actually believe that!?!? LOL... hahahaha.

 

[QueBert]

A lot of people don't understand the seriousness, you can't just forget the past, should we make the past the center of race relations today? of course not, but you have to be black to really understand.

good example, my girlfriend works at a court house, she isn't black, but she looks black (mixture of Native American & Spanish) she is the only person of color in her entire department which is BIG. She was out a few days a few years ago sick, she comes back and is put on a performance plan. Where she has to have a doctors note every time she is out sick. Nobody else has this, not even the people who miss days every month. She missed maybe 1 day every other month, some people in her ddepartment were missing 3 days a month with no type of punishment. If she's 1 minute late they add it up and dock her pay, lots of people come in late every day and are completely overlooked. EVERYTHING she does at work is monitored, and every mistake she makes no matter how small she is called into her supervisors office. A lot of the stuff is beyond petty like "you were at the water cooler talking..."

She called the union rep to do an investigation and they didn't find any evidence of "racism" when it's clear as day she is being singled out for her color. America is racist as sh!t, there's no way in hell I'm going to ignore it and pretend because nobodies still a slave things are fine and dandy.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Well this isn't about Great Britain or you. And to lie would be to intentionally tell you something which isn't true. So you can relax on all those assertions. But my primary point in this thread is to show you that there's a deep and long history between blacks and whites that goes back thousands of years. What were discussing is the last 400 years. Individuals like you need to understand that words do hurt people because of history and the feelings are not always bi-directional.

Listen to me - you are operating on the assumption that I am defending that Kramer guy, when I am clearly not. I have no clue where you got the idea that I am part of some 'people like you' group who is denying history. Where did I say anything like that? You will find that my first post in this thread was to point out a similar video to reinforce the point that this sort of thing still goes on. My first post to you was in response to that ridiculous claim that it's impossible for a black person to offend a white person.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Minorities in this day and age can get away with murder....just ask OJ. There is truly a double standard and anyone that doesn't see it is just lying to themselves.

Robert Blake got away with murder, and ummm as far as your argument there's 10 times more minorities locked up for crimes then they didn't commit then whites. Your OJ argument is stupid and so flawed.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer
Well this isn't about Great Britain or you. And to lie would be to intentionally tell you something which isn't true. So you can relax on all those assertions. But my primary point in this thread is to show you that there's a deep and long history between blacks and whites that goes back thousands of years. What were discussing is the last 400 years. Individuals like you need to understand that words do hurt people because of history and the feelings are not always bi-directional.

Listen to me - you are operating on the assumption that I am defending that Kramer guy, when I am clearly not. I have no clue where you got the idea that I am part of some 'people like you' group who is denying history. Where did I say anything like that? You will find that my first post in this thread was to point out a similar video to reinforce the point that this sort of thing still goes on. My first post to you was in response to that ridiculous claim that it's impossible for a black person to offend a white person.

Yeah, and things are not bi-directional. Again, nobody exists in a vacuum. A black person can say he wants to nuke every white person on earth and people would just laugh their ass off. But if a white person said he wanted to nuke Japan or a German saying that he wanted to kill all Jews, people sure as hell would take him personally. The point being that precedent is the biggest determinent to how people will respond.

 

[FlashG]

Of course it?s OK for any minority to be upset with comments that they don?t agree with. After all they are entitled to their opinion. But I believe the question is really about double standards. And it seems that you better not disagree with them because they have right on their side and if you are on the other side why you should have no rights at all.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Narmer
A black person can say he wants to nuke every white person on earth and people would just laugh their ass off.

You think that's... funny? Why is that funny? Would you like to see that? I am not laughing.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Well this isn't about Great Britain or you. And to lie would be to intentionally tell you something which isn't true. So you can relax on all those assertions. But my primary point in this thread is to show you that there's a deep and long history between blacks and whites that goes back thousands of years. What were discussing is the last 400 years. Individuals like you need to understand that words do hurt people because of history and the feelings are not always bi-directional.

You seem to be overtly sensitive to what I'm saying. It's not unlike that Seinfeld episode where the three main characters start talking about race and they get uncomfortable with the subject and say something akin to "We shouldn't be talking about this." I have a feeling that there is a deep feeling of guilt that makes white people so afraid to discuss the past.

Well, you told him something was fact that wasn't true. So either you are a liar or a moron. Since you say you aren't a liar...

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer
A black person can say he wants to nuke every white person on earth and people would just laugh their ass off.

You think that's... funny? Why is that funny? Would you like to see that? I am not laughing.

It's funny because of the history and psychology behind it. That is, unless you feel guilty over something.

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Narmer
Well this isn't about Great Britain or you. And to lie would be to intentionally tell you something which isn't true. So you can relax on all those assertions. But my primary point in this thread is to show you that there's a deep and long history between blacks and whites that goes back thousands of years. What were discussing is the last 400 years. Individuals like you need to understand that words do hurt people because of history and the feelings are not always bi-directional.

You seem to be overtly sensitive to what I'm saying. It's not unlike that Seinfeld episode where the three main characters start talking about race and they get uncomfortable with the subject and say something akin to "We shouldn't be talking about this." I have a feeling that there is a deep feeling of guilt that makes white people so afraid to discuss the past.

Well, you told him something was fact that wasn't true. So either you are a liar or a moron. Since you say you aren't a liar...

See it as you wish...

 

[pkme2]

My good friend and I were discussing this just this yesterday.
He's Italian and he grew up being called every vile name in the book. (you know what I mean)
I'm asian/polynesian and also was called every descriptive name regarding my racial backgrounds.

We both agreed that being called a name really is nothing. People get angry and the only way they can vent is to call out every vile reference that makes them feel better. You can't hold in anger, that's unhealthy.

Words are just that. Those who want to make it to be more, are ridiculous. They don't bother me because, I usually look at whoever is spewing them and smile. We're all human, and humans make mistakes. Just apologize later and let's go on to more important issues.

 

[hpkeeper]

Originally posted by: thesurge
There's a difference between adding racism/stereotypical views into your act and directing it personally at an audience member.

how? it's equally as offensive, the only difference is one is directed at a particular person.

 

[FlashG]

Originally posted by: pkme2
My good friend and I were discussing this just this yesterday.
He's Italian and he grew up being called every vile name in the book. (you know what I mean)
I'm asian/polynesian and also was called every descriptive name regarding my racial backgrounds.

We both agreed that being called a name really is nothing. People get angry and the only way they can vent is to call out every vile reference that makes them feel better. You can't hold in anger, that's unhealthy.

Words are just that. Those who want to make it to be more, are ridiculous. They don't bother me because, I usually look at whoever is spewing them and smile. We're all human, and humans make mistakes. Just apologize later and let's go on to more important issues.

It looks like all they want to do is yell at each other.

 

[hpkeeper]

I'm going to say this as nicely as possible...

But really what are the African-American's problem? The Jews have been persecuted for how many thousands of years, yet when a guy like Krammer goes of, that's all you hear about... you never hear the Jews complaining about racial slurs or things all over the news. If you saw an african american man calling out another african american in the crowd, we wouldn't have this hugely long thread... it wouldn't even register as a blip on the radar.

I can understand if someone calls them a "N****r", that's just offensive, but it should be no more offensive to them than it is calling any other race or religious group member by any other offensive slur. But I believe it was said best by Samuel L. Jackson in Die Hard: With a vengeance when he was disciplining his nephew that when they use the word "N****r" it makes the "white man" think it's okay. Not that I believe it is... but if you want to clean up your perception... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT... don't degrade each other the same way that is deemed offensive when someone that isn't like you calls you it. Give yourself a real reason to complain when someone uses the word... but don't use the word and expect everyone to think it's not okay when they say it. I admit that there is a bit of some passion control when using it, but still... you want improvements... the improvement starts from within and works it's way out.

If you want respect, respect yourselves first.

 

[ranmaniac]

The worst thing to do in the entertainment industry is to make fun of Jews if you're not Jewish yourself, and even Jews like Jackie Mason have gotten in trouble for doing it.
Some minorities can get away with it for poking fun at every other ethnic/racial group, but if you are deemed an anti-semite, your career is over.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Double standards 101
Black comedian says "Kill Whitey" = Standing ovation.
White comedian says "Kill Darkie" = Lynching.

- M4H

Why do you think this is? Maybe the term double standard is not accurate. I have to work on my english.

See what has happened to blacks and minorities in America. The same has not happened to whites. People are sensitive to this sort of stuff. It makes them uncomfortable. Like I said, whites control the power in America for the most part and that is among the reasons they are a bigger target - along with their size in population. Look at things proportionally.

Thank you! I feel like I shouldn't have to reiterate the fact that black people were enslaved by white people in this country, not the other way around.

There's a reason it still pringes our collective conscience for white people to joke about lynching and enslaving black people. The reason is that there was a time in America when white people very much DID lynch and enslave black people, and that time was NOT very long ago. It's similar to how Germans react to holocaust jokes.

So yeah, it's not a double standard. There is no simple corollary "N" word for white people. What Michael Richards said was hateful. And the worst part is that this SHOULD be an easy thing to agree upon.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: pkme2
My good friend and I were discussing this just this yesterday.
He's Italian and he grew up being called every vile name in the book. (you know what I mean)
I'm asian/polynesian and also was called every descriptive name regarding my racial backgrounds.

We both agreed that being called a name really is nothing. People get angry and the only way they can vent is to call out every vile reference that makes them feel better. You can't hold in anger, that's unhealthy.

Words are just that. Those who want to make it to be more, are ridiculous. They don't bother me because, I usually look at whoever is spewing them and smile. We're all human, and humans make mistakes. Just apologize later and let's go on to more important issues.

I definitely agree with your view. And congratulations, seriously, for not being put off by ignorant people how spout racial epitaphs to hurt other people.

But the issue here is not just our response, but the intended result of our actions. People do make mistakes, but I think that racial tension has such a long history, that you really only start throwing those kinds of insults around when you have some serious inner anger.

I'm not saying we should punish Michael Richards or anything, but I wouldn't let him babysit my kids.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer
A black person can say he wants to nuke every white person on earth and people would just laugh their ass off.

You think that's... funny? Why is that funny? Would you like to see that? I am not laughing.

It's funny because of the history and psychology behind it. That is, unless you feel guilty over something.

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Narmer
Well this isn't about Great Britain or you. And to lie would be to intentionally tell you something which isn't true. So you can relax on all those assertions. But my primary point in this thread is to show you that there's a deep and long history between blacks and whites that goes back thousands of years. What were discussing is the last 400 years. Individuals like you need to understand that words do hurt people because of history and the feelings are not always bi-directional.

You seem to be overtly sensitive to what I'm saying. It's not unlike that Seinfeld episode where the three main characters start talking about race and they get uncomfortable with the subject and say something akin to "We shouldn't be talking about this." I have a feeling that there is a deep feeling of guilt that makes white people so afraid to discuss the past.

Well, you told him something was fact that wasn't true. So either you are a liar or a moron. Since you say you aren't a liar...

See it as you wish...

Wait...you might not be the person that tried to pass off as fact TWO, not just one, TWO urban legends. Oh wait, yes you are. Should I quote them for you or are you finally going to admit that you obviously don't research anything you say and just quietly bow out. Your only redeeming grace is that you had the guts to come back and post in this thread after making a total fool out of yourself.

 

[waggy]

can minorities get away with it? yes

are some minorities still held back? yes. but not by "whites". they are held back by how they see themselves. Many still blame whites for what has happened in the past. Yes they were slaves. But so were many other races. Yes they were treated bad even after the "ending" of slavery. but other races were treated just as bad and have flourished.

part of the problem is the victim mentality many black leaders keep up. Its never what we can do to succeed its what the white man has done to keep us down. Though finally there are some such as Cosby that is saying it. until they get around the victim mentality they are never going to succeed as a race.

for the record i come from a mixed family. I have 2 sisters and a brother who are black. am i an expert? nope. but talking with family, others in the black community (granted not city or ghetto blacks) they have said the same.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Minorities in this day and age can get away with murder....just ask OJ. There is truly a double standard and anyone that doesn't see it is just lying to themselves.

Yeah, that is why great number of prisoners are black and other minorities - yep, they surely can get away with crime. QueBert made a good reply to this as well.

Blacks are stopped more and questioned more by police, according to many people. But yes, minorities definately get away with a lot.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Minorities in this day and age can get away with murder....just ask OJ. There is truly a double standard and anyone that doesn't see it is just lying to themselves.

Yeah, that is why great number of prisoners are black and other minorities - yep, they surely can get away with crime.

i agree. that was a pretty fvcking stupid argument.

OJ was a special case. a total cluster fvck of a court case.

 

[iversonyin]

The difference b/w Kramer and Chapell is that Chapell is funny...and Kramer wasn't funny. Any of you actually laughed at that Kramer video?!

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: hpkeeper
I'm going to say this as nicely as possible...

But really what are the African-American's problem? The Jews have been persecuted for how many thousands of years, yet when a guy like Krammer goes of, that's all you hear about... you never hear the Jews complaining about racial slurs or things all over the news. If you saw an african american man calling out another african american in the crowd, we wouldn't have this hugely long thread... it wouldn't even register as a blip on the radar.

I can understand if someone calls them a "N****r", that's just offensive, but it should be no more offensive to them than it is calling any other race or religious group member by any other offensive slur. But I believe it was said best by Samuel L. Jackson in Die Hard: With a vengeance when he was disciplining his nephew that when they use the word "N****r" it makes the "white man" think it's okay. Not that I believe it is... but if you want to clean up your perception... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT... don't degrade each other the same way that is deemed offensive when someone that isn't like you calls you it. Give yourself a real reason to complain when someone uses the word... but don't use the word and expect everyone to think it's not okay when they say it. I admit that there is a bit of some passion control when using it, but still... you want improvements... the improvement starts from within and works it's way out.

If you want respect, respect yourselves first.

We have a genuis here.:roll:

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Narmer
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...did=1962667&STARTPAGE=11&enterthread=y

That's my opinion on one part of the "Double Standard."

EDIT: After all the evil things white people have done to Blacks, Jews, Indians, native Americans and many, many others, can those group honestly do anything to hurt their feelings (white people)? That's the jist of the so called "double standard."

I want an answer to that.

It's not like whites are some supreme race. They have suffered themselves throughout history. Only in the last few centuries they have the sort of ability to those things.

I can't hate a person for something that they didn't do. An organization that still exists, a country's history, etc., but not people.

You are thinking too much European or North American centric view of history. Arabs, blacks, etc. have all inflicted damage upon other races.

I think your sort of excuse is dangerous as it allows racism to thrive within groups. I think that whites in the US are the least racist because they don't come up with such ridiculous excuses.