Can minorities really get away with doing what Kramer did?

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marulee

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Regardless the subject of minorities,
Comedian or a public speaker has more attention from the public in general. (like a potentiality of influence or capacity to get into an arguement such as this!)
 

QueBert

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minorities are treated like ******, Affirmative Action is proof, it got so bad they had to make special laws to allow minorities to get a shot. If SOME get an unfair advantage now due to A.A. it still doesn't make up for all the ones who don't.

the CEO of American Express is black
the CEO of Time Warner is black

two examples of blacks in very high levels of power, but this is .01%

when I use to work in cooperate America the level of racism I saw was astounding. And racism doesn't have to be a white male saying "****** n*ggers" or burning crosses.

FX network had a series where using makeup they made a white family black and a black family white. For every idiot on here who says "racism doesn't exist" watch it and learn something
 

classy

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Originally posted by: monk3y
Originally posted by: SampSon
Of course, have you ever watched a Chris Rock comedy special, or just about any black comedian for that matter?

To be honest... I don't really know why but I feel comfortable and actually laugh when Chris Rock makes this kind of joke. When 'Kramer' made the jokes. I really didn't feel comfortable. I didn't really think it was funny at all. I guess I'm a victim of society?

The statements by Kramer weren't jokes.
 

GrassR00t

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Originally posted by: QueBert
FX network had a series where using makeup they made a white family black and a black family white. For every idiot on here who says "racism doesn't exist" watch it and learn something

The problem with that show was that they took the black family, made them white and put them in a predominately white neighborhood. What they should have done is dressed them up as a white family and put them back in the predominantly black neighborhood and vise versa for the white family. That way each family can really see what it is like to be black or white in their own environments.
 

arkcom

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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: Oblivionaire
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: savoyboy
and i hear people always complaining that minority/black people get all the special treatments. Well, you have to ask yourself this question: If you had a choice, would you rather be a white man or a minority/black man in America?
no preference. i don't feel blacks or minorities are discriminated against in America.

and how do you know that? are you a minority?

I'm a minority and i'd rather be a white man in United States if i had a choice.
well, enlighten me. why do you think white men have it so good compared to you in the U.S.?

i am a woman, btw, and in some job fields i would be considered a minority which would actually help my chances of getting the job.
What job field would that be, Crack Ho, Stripper, Dominatrix? What job field is a white girl like you not preffered over a Sister?

How about Secretary of State? Text

No but she's "whitewashed," that's the only reason she got the job. See if you speak intelligently and care about education, etc, you aren't a "real" black person.

Racism exists in America today and so does discrimination. But every school and every company I know of is actively seeeking smart minorities. If you are a smart black, hispanic, or even woman engineer around Dallas you can find a job much easier than I could. I agree with some that has been said on both sides in this thread but hate that people are either taking one side or the the total opposite. I think there is a happy medium here.


Exactly, successful black people (other than music, sports, i.e. real careers) are basically disowned by other blacks (see Chapelles Racial Draft). Black people convince themselves that they can only make it in rap, etc. and look down on successful black people cause they're workin for the man. Not very encouraging...
 

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The difference is that Richard's wasn't trying to be funny. He was trying to be mean. Chris Rock tries to get a laugh. Richard's was having a nervous breakdown. That being said, of course there's an obvious double standard with what people can say and who they can talk about. Such is life, it is neither fair not rational.
 

TheSiege

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i personally believe that minorities are given leway in the public eye.
did you see the newest family guy, the conversation went something like this

Stewie: " i mean what do you call someone who walks out on his family?"
Brian: "a black man?"

i dunno, i say let people be racists, if they arent hurting anyone
call someone what you want
if you dont want to be called a ni*ger then dont heckle a comedian
all kramer was doing why trying to offend and hurt this guy in the most effective way he could think of, and he did.

any who, praise allah love jesus buy microsoft
 

TheSiege

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Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: savoyboy
and i hear people always complaining that minority/black people get all the special treatments. Well, you have to ask yourself this question: If you had a choice, would you rather be a white man or a minority/black man in America?
no preference. i don't feel blacks or minorities are discriminated against in America.

and how do you know that? are you a minority?

I'm a minority and i'd rather be a white man in United States if i had a choice.

yeah but then you wouldnt get a free ride into college.
jk....kinda

 

Pacemaker

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
no preference. i don't feel blacks or minorities are discriminated against in America.

I used to think like you mosh, until one day I was going somewhere with a friend (who was black). He got pulled over for speeding (and he was guilty of this) and the police car just sat behind him in the car with the lights on for 10-15 minutes. We were both wondering what was taking so long. Then the police van shows up with about 10-15 cops. My friend just looked at me and said, "WTF"

In the end we were let go with the ticket, but if a white person was driving there would have been no way they would have called 10-15 people to help write a ticket.

By the way the official reason was "He looked like a suspect we were looking for". Which I took to mean "He was black." I could be wrong and he could have just really looked like some murderer, but I have never seen that happen to a white person before.
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: arkcom
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: Oblivionaire
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: savoyboy
and i hear people always complaining that minority/black people get all the special treatments. Well, you have to ask yourself this question: If you had a choice, would you rather be a white man or a minority/black man in America?
no preference. i don't feel blacks or minorities are discriminated against in America.

and how do you know that? are you a minority?

I'm a minority and i'd rather be a white man in United States if i had a choice.
well, enlighten me. why do you think white men have it so good compared to you in the U.S.?

i am a woman, btw, and in some job fields i would be considered a minority which would actually help my chances of getting the job.
What job field would that be, Crack Ho, Stripper, Dominatrix? What job field is a white girl like you not preffered over a Sister?

How about Secretary of State? Text

No but she's "whitewashed," that's the only reason she got the job. See if you speak intelligently and care about education, etc, you aren't a "real" black person.

Racism exists in America today and so does discrimination. But every school and every company I know of is actively seeeking smart minorities. If you are a smart black, hispanic, or even woman engineer around Dallas you can find a job much easier than I could. I agree with some that has been said on both sides in this thread but hate that people are either taking one side or the the total opposite. I think there is a happy medium here.


Exactly, successful black people (other than music, sports, i.e. real careers) are basically disowned by other blacks (see Chapelles Racial Draft). Black people convince themselves that they can only make it in rap, etc. and look down on successful black people cause they're workin for the man. Not very encouraging...

All professional people are looked down upon by working people. I don't tell anyone I've been to university unless I have to, or I know that everyone I'm talking to has also been - saves trouble.
 

TheSiege

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take a look at the USA today stat on the front page.
its for which race has the highest median income....guess what its not the majority white
its Asian, then white, then hispanic, then black. appearntly minorities arent discriminated against when it comes to pay. bottom line work hard and youll get what you deserve regardless of race. unless youre mexican...JK seriously i am joking
 

eLiTeGoodGuy

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I've been trying to stay out of this thread for a while. But I do have a question. Not looking to be flamed by this because I really don't care either way. While I agree that Black Americans have had it rough in the past, and only in the past 30-40 years truly been equal.

Why should a black person can call another black person a Ni**er and not expect that others around him hear this and not think it's ok. Why is it ok to have Scholarships for black students only or Scholarships for hispanic students only, but not ok for scholarships for white students only. So it's ok to have a black student scholarship and a white student scholarship is being racist?

While I am not condoning this white student scholarship, why should we have any scholarship excluding a large group of people? Shouldn't scholarships be for those who work hard and earn it, not based on the color of their skin?

Just incase anyone isn't sure what I am referring to it's here
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Atheus
There was a vid posted recently of an old black dude saying they should 'exterminate white people before its too late' at some kind of conference. Everyone clapped.

Look at my previous post and try to answer my question.

Originally posted by: Narmer
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...did=1962667&STARTPAGE=11&enterthread=y

That's my opinion on one part of the "Double Standard."

EDIT: After all the evil things white people have done to Blacks, Jews, Indians, native Americans and many, many others, can those group honestly do anything to hurt their feelings (white people)? That's the jist of the so called "double standard."

I want an answer to that.

Hurt feelings, or offend? The black man in New Orleans talking about exterminating the whites (and getting applause) is offensive to me, and I'm white.

Does that answer your question?
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: eLiTeGoodGuy
I've been trying to stay out of this thread for a while. But I do have a question. Not looking to be flamed by this because I really don't care either way. While I agree that Black Americans have had it rough in the past, and only in the past 30-40 years truly been equal.

Why should a black person can call another black person a Ni**er and not expect that others around him hear this and not think it's ok. Why is it ok to have Scholarships for black students only or Scholarships for hispanic students only, but not ok for scholarships for white students only. So it's ok to have a black student scholarship and a white student scholarship is being racist?

While I am not condoning this white student scholarship, why should we have any scholarship excluding a large group of people? Shouldn't scholarships be for those who work hard and earn it, not based on the color of their skin?

Just incase anyone isn't sure what I am referring to it's here


it's been truly equal in the USA for black people for the last 30-40 years? Wow, let me call my Black GF and tell her this!

the scholarship thing, look at the stats for who's in jail, living in poverty tends to have people want to do crime and such as opposed to getting a crappy job at a McDonalds. Black people are profiled by the police, and discriminated against when it comes to getting a job. They need extra insentive to want to go to college. If you talk to a group of people of color, a lot don't have any faith they'll have a fair shot to make it in life. I'm talking younger people here, this is very common. They feel they will fail before they even start, so why should they bother? If you're in a catagory that's either pegged to be dead by 23, or if you're LUCKY you'll be in jail, what modivation would they have to do ****** with their life?

UNCF was set up to help people who feel hopeless, I can't imagine belonging to a group where if you make it to see 25 and aren't in jail you're "blessed" college doesn't come easy for most people. But poor blacks have it especially hard. I mean I grew up poor but wasn't surrounded by gangs and drug dealers. Spend a weekend in any projects and you'll see sh!t you could never believe. I think the goverment should be handing out Scholarships to anyone in those areas who wanted one, regardless of color.

Bush Sr and his CIA homies put Crack in the hood. And our goverment is doing everything to get rid of the problems in the middle east, and almost all but ignore the problems of the ghettos.

Watching Bush JR on TV, Iraq is more important then New Orleans, that's incredibly sad...
 

AlienCraft

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If you heckle a comedian, you open yourself up to whatever the comedian happens to want to throw at you. If you don't like the act, fine, leave, whatever, BUT, Should you choose to integrate yourself into the act, you are fair game. An old school talent like Don Rickles would've just skewered them relentlessly and never actually SAID "it", but you sure would've known what they meant.

Yes, minorities USUALLY play the fear card when they're calling names.
It changes when they get it tossed back at them.
Been there, done that.
 

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: eLiTeGoodGuy
I've been trying to stay out of this thread for a while. But I do have a question. Not looking to be flamed by this because I really don't care either way. While I agree that Black Americans have had it rough in the past, and only in the past 30-40 years truly been equal.

Why should a black person can call another black person a Ni**er and not expect that others around him hear this and not think it's ok. Why is it ok to have Scholarships for black students only or Scholarships for hispanic students only, but not ok for scholarships for white students only. So it's ok to have a black student scholarship and a white student scholarship is being racist?

While I am not condoning this white student scholarship, why should we have any scholarship excluding a large group of people? Shouldn't scholarships be for those who work hard and earn it, not based on the color of their skin?

Just incase anyone isn't sure what I am referring to it's here

Bush Sr and his CIA homies put Crack in the hood. And our goverment is doing everything to get rid of the problems in the middle east, and almost all but ignore the problems of the ghettos.

Watching Bush JR on TV, Iraq is more important then New Orleans, that's incredibly sad...

You REALLY think Bush and the CIA are putting drugs in "the hood?"

Wow.
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: Auryg
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: eLiTeGoodGuy
I've been trying to stay out of this thread for a while. But I do have a question. Not looking to be flamed by this because I really don't care either way. While I agree that Black Americans have had it rough in the past, and only in the past 30-40 years truly been equal.

Why should a black person can call another black person a Ni**er and not expect that others around him hear this and not think it's ok. Why is it ok to have Scholarships for black students only or Scholarships for hispanic students only, but not ok for scholarships for white students only. So it's ok to have a black student scholarship and a white student scholarship is being racist?

While I am not condoning this white student scholarship, why should we have any scholarship excluding a large group of people? Shouldn't scholarships be for those who work hard and earn it, not based on the color of their skin?

Just incase anyone isn't sure what I am referring to it's here

Bush Sr and his CIA homies put Crack in the hood. And our goverment is doing everything to get rid of the problems in the middle east, and almost all but ignore the problems of the ghettos.

Watching Bush JR on TV, Iraq is more important then New Orleans, that's incredibly sad...

You REALLY think Bush and the CIA are putting drugs in "the hood?"

Wow.

Bush SR? yes. Look at the "hood" before him.

You had Marajuana, and you had Saturday Night Specials as far as guns went.

George comes along, we have crack, and we have AK-47's. Wasn't a person in the hood who had connections enough to make that happen. I'm not exactly a big fan of conspiracy theories, but this one seems to have merit to it. Can I prove it? No, but nobody can disprove it. I am talking about the same government who sold missiles to Cuba & Iran & Iraq. Don't know why anyone would find it hard to believe they'd do sh!t just as wicked to the people in the projects here. I lived in the projects, it was a war-zone. And all I saw was our government "helping" other countries by waging war against terrorism. What were they doing for the inner-cities? Oh yeah we had "D.A.R.E" and 2 police patrolling the area once a day, ohhh!
 

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In my opinion, racism exists in equal proportion across all races. Those in power discriminate against the less powerful to maintain their dominance. Eradicating racism is a very worthy goal and is one that I strive for. In my opinion, though, disliking the outgroup is too engrained in the human psyche for racism to disappear in society. A balancing of power between the racial groups seems a more attainable goal and is one that I wholeheartedly support, despite the fact that I have the most to lose.