Can minorities really get away with doing what Kramer did?

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Double standards 101
Black comedian says "Kill Whitey" = Standing ovation.
White comedian says "Kill Darkie" = Lynching.

- M4H

Why do you think this is? Maybe the term double standard is not accurate. I have to work on my english.

See what has happened to blacks and minorities in America. The same has not happened to whites. People are sensitive to this sort of stuff. It makes them uncomfortable. Like I said, whites control the power in America for the most part and that is among the reasons they are a bigger target - along with their size in population. Look at things proportionally.

Go away. Slavery ended 143 years ago, move the fvck on.

Wow, we know that. If there were no problems, we would not have the civil rights marches and protests in the 50s, 60s and 70s. We would not have lynchings and bombings of blacks and others. We would not have segregation and mistreatment of blacks and minorities. There is still a lot of racism in America and it comes in many shapes and forms. Just because slavery ended does not mean that things were perfect afterwards - far from it.

Absolutely, but I'm sick of people pointing the finger back to slavery for all the problems "African-Americans" face today. There's been 143 years for that race to pull themselves together and gain the equality they desire. While up until the past thirty or forty years has been difficult, it's been smooth sailing for the most part since, and that whole argument goes invalid.

What Michael Richards did was shocking, yes, but wrong? Perhaps. It's been said many times but if it were a white person heckling Chris Rock, in a predominantly black crowd, there would be nothing wrong with it. It's just human nature and part of the human psychology. If you were being heckled by someone "different" from you, you would immediately point out those differences in an effort counter the heckling. You can hear in the video the majority of people laughing, save for a few PC a-holes gasping. It's just further proof that Richards let slip something we've all been wanting to say.

Like you?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Double standards 101
Black comedian says "Kill Whitey" = Standing ovation.
White comedian says "Kill Darkie" = Lynching.

- M4H

Why do you think this is? Maybe the term double standard is not accurate. I have to work on my english.

See what has happened to blacks and minorities in America. The same has not happened to whites. People are sensitive to this sort of stuff. It makes them uncomfortable. Like I said, whites control the power in America for the most part and that is among the reasons they are a bigger target - along with their size in population. Look at things proportionally.

Go away. Slavery ended 143 years ago, move the fvck on.

Wow, we know that. If there were no problems, we would not have the civil rights marches and protests in the 50s, 60s and 70s. We would not have lynchings and bombings of blacks and others. We would not have segregation and mistreatment of blacks and minorities. There is still a lot of racism in America and it comes in many shapes and forms. Just because slavery ended does not mean that things were perfect afterwards - far from it.

Absolutely, but I'm sick of people pointing the finger back to slavery for all the problems "African-Americans" face today. There's been 143 years for that race to pull themselves together and gain the equality they desire. While up until the past thirty or forty years has been difficult, it's been smooth sailing for the most part since, and that whole argument goes invalid.

What Michael Richards did was shocking, yes, but wrong? Perhaps. It's been said many times but if it were a white person heckling Chris Rock, in a predominantly black crowd, there would be nothing wrong with it. It's just human nature and part of the human psychology. If you were being heckled by someone "different" from you, you would immediately point out those differences in an effort counter the heckling. You can hear in the video the majority of people laughing, save for a few PC a-holes gasping. It's just further proof that Richards let slip something we've all been wanting to say.

Just conjur up model minorty asians and blacks can't say shvt.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Double standards 101
Black comedian says "Kill Whitey" = Standing ovation.
White comedian says "Kill Darkie" = Lynching.

- M4H

Why do you think this is? Maybe the term double standard is not accurate. I have to work on my english.

See what has happened to blacks and minorities in America. The same has not happened to whites. People are sensitive to this sort of stuff. It makes them uncomfortable. Like I said, whites control the power in America for the most part and that is among the reasons they are a bigger target - along with their size in population. Look at things proportionally.

Go away. Slavery ended 143 years ago, move the fvck on.

Wow, we know that. If there were no problems, we would not have the civil rights marches and protests in the 50s, 60s and 70s. We would not have lynchings and bombings of blacks and others. We would not have segregation and mistreatment of blacks and minorities. There is still a lot of racism in America and it comes in many shapes and forms. Just because slavery ended does not mean that things were perfect afterwards - far from it.

Absolutely, but I'm sick of people pointing the finger back to slavery for all the problems "African-Americans" face today. There's been 143 years for that race to pull themselves together and gain the equality they desire. While up until the past thirty or forty years has been difficult, it's been smooth sailing for the most part since, and that whole argument goes invalid.

What Michael Richards did was shocking, yes, but wrong? Perhaps. It's been said many times but if it were a white person heckling Chris Rock, in a predominantly black crowd, there would be nothing wrong with it. It's just human nature and part of the human psychology. If you were being heckled by someone "different" from you, you would immediately point out those differences in an effort counter the heckling. You can hear in the video the majority of people laughing, save for a few PC a-holes gasping. It's just further proof that Richards let slip something we've all been wanting to say.

Just conjur up model minorty asians and blacks can't say shvt.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus
There was a vid posted recently of an old black dude saying they should 'exterminate white people before its too late' at some kind of conference. Everyone clapped.

Look at my previous post and try to answer my question.

Originally posted by: Narmer
EDIT: After all the evil things white people have done to Blacks, Jews, Indians, native Americans and many, many others, can those group honestly do anything to hurt their feelings (white people)? That's the jist of the so called "double standard."

I want an answer to that.

1 - No you don't, you want people to be unable to come up with an answer to it, in order to prove some point which is not contained in the actual question.

2 - I am not responsible for slavery. Everyone is supposed to be equal - no one should get away with that sh1t.

That just goes to show that the answer to my question is an undeniable NO. As for not being responsible for slavery, you're also not responsible for the invention of calculus or the invention of the wheel, but you benefit from it, right?

I have choice but to live in a country which has used it's power to exploit others the past - I don't choose where I'm born. Why should someone be allowed to insult me because of where I'm born.

The answer to your question is of course, and obviously, yes. Can a non white person hurt my feelings? Of course they can you _tool_. If someone comes up to you and calls you a tool, do you check what color their skin is before being offended?

And if everyone is supposed to be equal, how come we have so many damn amendments and laws after the original bill of rights? It just goes to show that laws are applied discriminately and might equals right (even in the civilized world). Otherwise, the Bill of Right would've been enforced from the day it came to being.

I have no idea about your American laws, I was born in England.

To address the other point - I am not responsible for civil rights in the 60s and 70s either.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus
There was a vid posted recently of an old black dude saying they should 'exterminate white people before its too late' at some kind of conference. Everyone clapped.

Look at my previous post and try to answer my question.

Originally posted by: Narmer
EDIT: After all the evil things white people have done to Blacks, Jews, Indians, native Americans and many, many others, can those group honestly do anything to hurt their feelings (white people)? That's the jist of the so called "double standard."

I want an answer to that.

1 - No you don't, you want people to be unable to come up with an answer to it, in order to prove some point which is not contained in the actual question.

2 - I am not responsible for slavery. Everyone is supposed to be equal - no one should get away with that sh1t.

That just goes to show that the answer to my question is an undeniable NO. As for not being responsible for slavery, you're also not responsible for the invention of calculus or the invention of the wheel, but you benefit from it, right?

I have choice but to live in a country which has used it's power to exploit others the past - I don't choose where I'm born. Why should someone be allowed to insult me because of where I'm born.

That's because neither you or I exist in a vacuum. You may not have been responsible for anything but you've certainly benefitted and suffered from the results.

The answer to your question is of course, and obviously, yes. Can a non white person hurt my feelings? Of course they can you _tool_. If someone comes up to you and calls you a tool, do you check what color their skin is before being offended?

Can a non-white individual call you a racist name and it would hurt your feelings? If so, give me an example, please.

And if everyone is supposed to be equal, how come we have so many damn amendments and laws after the original bill of rights? It just goes to show that laws are applied discriminately and might equals right (even in the civilized world). Otherwise, the Bill of Right would've been enforced from the day it came to being.

I have no idea about your American laws, I was born in England.

To address the other point - I am not responsible for civil rights in the 60s and 70s either.

Since you don't want to be responsible for anything then it's best that you live your life according to the highest standards that's independent of any other race or religion. Furthermore, stay out of these topics because they're very toxic. If you want to add an input then make sure you understand the historical background.

 

[QueBert]

As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

 

[lightpants]

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Narmer
That's because neither you or I exist in a vacuum. You may not have been responsible for anything but you've certainly benefitted and suffered from the results.

So? It's not my fault, as an individual, that I am who I am. I can only be responsible for my own actions - which are in no way racist thank you very much. You must be one of those 'sins of the father' people.

Can a non-white individual call you a racist name and it would hurt your feelings? If so, give me an example, please.

That was _not_ your original question. No I am not offended by 'cracker' and such, as one might be by the word '******', but yea I am offended by someone wanting to exterminate me because I'm white. See the video of the new Hitler referenced earlier.

Since you don't want to be responsible for anything then it's best that you live your life according to the highest standards that's independent of any other race or religion.

No race hate or religious war... sounds pretty good to me.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Double standards 101
Black comedian says "Kill Whitey" = Standing ovation.
White comedian says "Kill Darkie" = Lynching.

- M4H

Why do you think this is? Maybe the term double standard is not accurate. I have to work on my english.

See what has happened to blacks and minorities in America. The same has not happened to whites. People are sensitive to this sort of stuff. It makes them uncomfortable. Like I said, whites control the power in America for the most part and that is among the reasons they are a bigger target - along with their size in population. Look at things proportionally.

In any case, that's definitely a double standard. One race can say something offensive and the other can't.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

That's not true at all. And it's sick.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.htm

Make sure _you_ understand the freaking 'historical background' fool.

And BTW - I don't sympathize with Richards at all.

 

[oCxTiTaN]

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Double standards 101
Black comedian says "Kill Whitey" = Standing ovation.
White comedian says "Kill Darkie" = Lynching.

- M4H

Why do you think this is? Maybe the term double standard is not accurate. I have to work on my english.

See what has happened to blacks and minorities in America. The same has not happened to whites. People are sensitive to this sort of stuff. It makes them uncomfortable. Like I said, whites control the power in America for the most part and that is among the reasons they are a bigger target - along with their size in population. Look at things proportionally.

Go away. Slavery ended 143 years ago, move the fvck on.

QFT - I haven't owned slaves and the black people alive today have not been slaves...get the hell over it and move on. Hell, if anything, the people to be mad at are Africans (Hutus/Tutsis) who still today enslave and kill their own people. Hotel Rwanda anyone? Jesus Christ... :roll:

 

[lightpants]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

Um, wrong...

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

That's not true at all. And it's sick.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.htm

Make sure _you_ understand the freaking 'historical background' fool.

Yeah, but human ingenuity is boundless. Just as white people adopted the ni**er word for blacks (it was originally meant for Irish people and ni**er is oh so close to negro), I'm sure they had no problem with a black person hanging on a tree during a picnic. There are tons of pictures of this. I think there's a book about lynching that features little girls in their Sunday's best standing next to an upside-down black man during a picnic. Picnic must've been another convenient adoption, just like ni**ger.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

That's not true at all. And it's sick.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.htm

Make sure _you_ understand the freaking 'historical background' fool.

Yeah, but human ingenuity is boundless. Just as white people adopted a the ni**er word for blacks (it was originally meant for Irish people), I'm sure they had no problem with a black person hanging on a tree during a picnic. There are tons of pictures of this. I think there's a book about lynching that features little girls in their Sunday's best standing next to an upside-down black man during a picnic. Picnic must've been another convenient adoption, just like ni**ger.

Oh, would you like to be wrong about etymology some more? OK.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=******

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/caricature/


"The etymology of ****** is often traced to the Latin niger, meaning black. The Latin niger became the noun negro (black person) in English, and simply the color black in Spanish and Portuguese."

I think we're done here.

 

[oCxTiTaN]

Oh, and if the Jews/Poles/Serbs can get over the Holocaust that only happened 60 years ago (anywhere between 9 and 26 million killed, not enslaved, KILLED) then blacks can get over the whole slavery in colonial America thing. For God's sakes, blacks enslaved blacks during the same time period and so did Britain and other European countries for that matter, go b*tch at them for once.

"The slave trade could not have endured for four centuries and carried nearly 12 million people out of Africa without the cooperation of a huge network of African rulers and merchants," says Dr. Robert Harms, a professor of African History at Yale University who has extensively researched the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

Harms is the author of The Diligent: A Voyage Through the Worlds of the Slave Trade, an award-wining book detailing the day-to-day routine on a French slave vessel in the 1700s.

"Most Americans think that ships would come from the United States or from Europe to Africa and the sailors would just get off and run out and grab a shipload of people and stuff them in the ship and bring them back. And I think that is a very condescending view of Africans.

"That view suggests that Africans were so disorganized that they could let that happen year after year after year after year," Harms says. "I think we need to see African societies as well-organized societies that participated in the slave trade, because the ruling classes often thought they had something to gain from it."

http://www.npr.org/programs/re/archivesdate/2004/apr/slavery/

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

That's not true at all. And it's sick.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.htm

Make sure _you_ understand the freaking 'historical background' fool.

Yeah, but human ingenuity is boundless. Just as white people adopted the ni**er word for blacks (it was originally meant for Irish people and ni**er is oh so close to negro), I'm sure they had no problem with a black person hanging on a tree during a picnic. There are tons of pictures of this. I think there's a book about lynching that features little girls in their Sunday's best standing next to an upside-down black man during a picnic. Picnic must've been another convenient adoption, just like ni**ger.

You may want to reconsider why/how this began. Hangings and/or lynchings were often a "festive" type occurance in many towns/cities across the US and especially the West from the late 1700's on and it had nothing to do with the color of the persons' skin. Do the research.....many times it was an all day affair with activeties planned for familes and children.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

That's not true at all. And it's sick.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.htm

Make sure _you_ understand the freaking 'historical background' fool.

Yeah, but human ingenuity is boundless. Just as white people adopted a the ni**er word for blacks (it was originally meant for Irish people), I'm sure they had no problem with a black person hanging on a tree during a picnic. There are tons of pictures of this. I think there's a book about lynching that features little girls in their Sunday's best standing next to an upside-down black man during a picnic. Picnic must've been another convenient adoption, just like ni**ger.

Oh, would you like to be wrong about etymology some more? OK.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=******

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/caricature/


"The etymology of ****** is often traced to the Latin niger, meaning black. The Latin niger became the noun negro (black person) in English, and simply the color black in Spanish and Portuguese."

I think we're done here.

Done with what? About the picnics? The lynchings? The smiling faces? The primitive satisfaction of seeing a dead black man?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: oCxTiTaN
Oh, and if the Jews/Poles/Serbs can get over the Holocaust that only happened 60 years ago (anywhere between 9 and 26 million killed, not enslaved, KILLED) then blacks can get over the whole slavery in colonial America thing. For God's sakes, blacks enslaved blacks during the same time period and so did Britain and other European countries for that matter, go b*tch at them for once.

"The slave trade could not have endured for four centuries and carried nearly 12 million people out of Africa without the cooperation of a huge network of African rulers and merchants," says Dr. Robert Harms, a professor of African History at Yale University who has extensively researched the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

Harms is the author of The Diligent: A Voyage Through the Worlds of the Slave Trade, an award-wining book detailing the day-to-day routine on a French slave vessel in the 1700s.

"Most Americans think that ships would come from the United States or from Europe to Africa and the sailors would just get off and run out and grab a shipload of people and stuff them in the ship and bring them back. And I think that is a very condescending view of Africans.

"That view suggests that Africans were so disorganized that they could let that happen year after year after year after year," Harms says. "I think we need to see African societies as well-organized societies that participated in the slave trade, because the ruling classes often thought they had something to gain from it."

http://www.npr.org/programs/re/archivesdate/2004/apr/slavery/

First of all, those other communities haven't gotten over their pain, so don't try to falsely exemplify them to prove your faulty logic. Second of all, the pain that African Americans feel is still real, as is the racism. You can't identify with it because you're not them so try to be a bit more understanding.

Originally posted by: EndGame


You may want to reconsider why/how this began. Hangings and/or lynchings were often a "festive" type occurance in many towns/cities across the US and especially the West from the late 1700's on and it had nothing to do with the color of the persons' skin. Do the research.....many times it was an all day affair with activeties planned for familes and children.

The epitome of civilization.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

it's in a book I was bought, called Without Sanctuary, a book that goes into depth about the history of lynching in the USA, it's full of pictures of these postcards, which were very common back then.

Link to book

after reading this, I don't see how anyone can suggest "just forget what we did to black people" this is one of the most depressing, and real books I've ever read.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

That's not true at all. And it's sick.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.htm

Make sure _you_ understand the freaking 'historical background' fool.

Yeah, but human ingenuity is boundless. Just as white people adopted a the ni**er word for blacks (it was originally meant for Irish people), I'm sure they had no problem with a black person hanging on a tree during a picnic. There are tons of pictures of this. I think there's a book about lynching that features little girls in their Sunday's best standing next to an upside-down black man during a picnic. Picnic must've been another convenient adoption, just like ni**ger.

Oh, would you like to be wrong about etymology some more? OK.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=******

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/caricature/


"The etymology of ****** is often traced to the Latin niger, meaning black. The Latin niger became the noun negro (black person) in English, and simply the color black in Spanish and Portuguese."

I think we're done here.

Done with what? About the picnics? The lynchings? The smiling faces? The primitive satisfaction of seeing a dead black man?

I'm not going to argue with you about racism, firstly because you have just lied to me twice about it and made yourself look foolish, secondly because I have no idea what you're trying to prove. That lynchings happened in mid 20th century America? That the British Empire abused it's power in the colonies? We all know those things are true. That I am a racist? Well, I am not, but you can go on believing whatever you want man.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: oCxTiTaN
Oh, and if the Jews/Poles/Serbs can get over the Holocaust that only happened 60 years ago (anywhere between 9 and 26 million killed, not enslaved, KILLED) then blacks can get over the whole slavery in colonial America thing. For God's sakes, blacks enslaved blacks during the same time period and so did Britain and other European countries for that matter, go b*tch at them for once.

"The slave trade could not have endured for four centuries and carried nearly 12 million people out of Africa without the cooperation of a huge network of African rulers and merchants," says Dr. Robert Harms, a professor of African History at Yale University who has extensively researched the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

Harms is the author of The Diligent: A Voyage Through the Worlds of the Slave Trade, an award-wining book detailing the day-to-day routine on a French slave vessel in the 1700s.

"Most Americans think that ships would come from the United States or from Europe to Africa and the sailors would just get off and run out and grab a shipload of people and stuff them in the ship and bring them back. And I think that is a very condescending view of Africans.

"That view suggests that Africans were so disorganized that they could let that happen year after year after year after year," Harms says. "I think we need to see African societies as well-organized societies that participated in the slave trade, because the ruling classes often thought they had something to gain from it."

http://www.npr.org/programs/re/archivesdate/2004/apr/slavery/

First of all, those other communities haven't gotten over their pain, so don't try to falsely exemplify them to prove your faulty logic. Second of all, the pain that African Americans feel is still real, as is the racism. You can't identify with it because you're not them so try to be a bit more understanding.

Originally posted by: EndGame


You may want to reconsider why/how this began. Hangings and/or lynchings were often a "festive" type occurance in many towns/cities across the US and especially the West from the late 1700's on and it had nothing to do with the color of the persons' skin. Do the research.....many times it was an all day affair with activeties planned for familes and children.

The epitome of civilization.

Didn't say it was, but, it is fact. Actually, it goes well beyond that also....beheadings and "witch burnings" are also part of history that drew huge crowds and a "festive" atmosphere.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

That's not true at all. And it's sick.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.htm

Make sure _you_ understand the freaking 'historical background' fool.

Yeah, but human ingenuity is boundless. Just as white people adopted a the ni**er word for blacks (it was originally meant for Irish people), I'm sure they had no problem with a black person hanging on a tree during a picnic. There are tons of pictures of this. I think there's a book about lynching that features little girls in their Sunday's best standing next to an upside-down black man during a picnic. Picnic must've been another convenient adoption, just like ni**ger.

Oh, would you like to be wrong about etymology some more? OK.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=******

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/caricature/


"The etymology of ****** is often traced to the Latin niger, meaning black. The Latin niger became the noun negro (black person) in English, and simply the color black in Spanish and Portuguese."

I think we're done here.

Done with what? About the picnics? The lynchings? The smiling faces? The primitive satisfaction of seeing a dead black man?

I'm not going to argue with you about racism, firstly because you have just lied to me twice about it and made yourself look foolish, secondly because I have no idea what you're trying to prove. That lynchings happened in mid 20th century America? That the British Empire abused it's power in the colonies? We all know those things are true. That I am a racist? Well, I am not, but you can go on believing whatever you want man.

Nicely put. Some people just prefer to tied everything to racism/negativity without understanding the true background.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: lightpants

Originally posted by: QueBert
As I read this, I'm sitting here looking at a Post card from the mid 20's, the picture on the front isn't of a beach, a sunset, or a national monument, It's of a black person hanging from a tree, while his body is burning and white people are standing around like it's a party, smiling and having a good time. This was less then 100 years ago, and continued on for many years afterwards (and before) We're supposed to "move on, and get over it" because times have changed (somewhat)

if a Black comedian was anywhere near this vicious towards a white audience member at a comedy show. Not only would it be on the news, but they'd be trying to have him thrown in jail. I don't know what news you guys watch, but the media loves to show a black man f*cking up. Kramer was dead wrong for what he did and I'll never watch another eposide of Scienfield again

and anyone who thinks racism is even close to dead, go to where my black GF works and see how she's treated, and trust me it's not all that uncommon from a lot of jobs out there...

Who sent you the post card? And if it is offensive to you, why do you have it near your computer where you can look at it while browsing ATOT?

Who cares where the card is from, he's trying to make an obvious point. Furthermore, did you know that the word "picnic" came from "pic a ni**er? Yeah, white people actually use to go out and have a barbecue, eat cotton candy, ice cream, and whatever else at a park while a black man hung dangling from a tree. Yeah, those were the good old days. They enjoyed their picnics and I'm sure those sympathizing with Richards wished they lived during those times.

That's not true at all. And it's sick.

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.htm

Make sure _you_ understand the freaking 'historical background' fool.

Yeah, but human ingenuity is boundless. Just as white people adopted a the ni**er word for blacks (it was originally meant for Irish people), I'm sure they had no problem with a black person hanging on a tree during a picnic. There are tons of pictures of this. I think there's a book about lynching that features little girls in their Sunday's best standing next to an upside-down black man during a picnic. Picnic must've been another convenient adoption, just like ni**ger.

Oh, would you like to be wrong about etymology some more? OK.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=******

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/caricature/


"The etymology of ****** is often traced to the Latin niger, meaning black. The Latin niger became the noun negro (black person) in English, and simply the color black in Spanish and Portuguese."

I think we're done here.

Done with what? About the picnics? The lynchings? The smiling faces? The primitive satisfaction of seeing a dead black man?

I'm not going to argue with you about racism, firstly because you have just lied to me twice about it and made yourself look foolish, secondly because I have no idea what you're trying to prove. That lynchings happened in mid 20th century America? That the British Empire abused it's power in the colonies? We all know those things are true. That I am a racist? Well, I am not, but you can go on believing whatever you want man.

Well this isn't about Great Britain or you. And to lie would be to intentionally tell you something which isn't true. So you can relax on all those assertions. But my primary point in this thread is to show you that there's a deep and long history between blacks and whites that goes back thousands of years. What were discussing is the last 400 years. Individuals like you need to understand that words do hurt people because of history and the feelings are not always bi-directional.

You seem to be overtly sensitive to what I'm saying. It's not unlike that Seinfeld episode where the three main characters start talking about race and they get uncomfortable with the subject and say something akin to "We shouldn't be talking about this." I have a feeling that there is a deep feeling of guilt that makes white people so afraid to discuss the past.

 

[Ronstang]

Minorities in this day and age can get away with murder....just ask OJ. There is truly a double standard and anyone that doesn't see it is just lying to themselves.