Buffer Zones (abortion clinics) and Anthony Scalia's opening arguments

[Texashiker]

Wrong thread.

Right thread.

Just like slavery, this disease of abortion will come to an end. It might take 100 years, it might take 50 years, it might take 200 years. But one day the slaughter of the innocents will come to an end.

I'm perfectly comfortable with the side of history I'm on. I also know that from your posts in other threads that you're irrational and utterly immune to serious discussion. I would rather tell you about how a girl I used to date worked at Planned Parenthood. Abortions galore! SO MANY ABORTIONS.

So tell me about this smoke stack with blue and pink smoke.

Maybe you would have liked different colored smoke for jews and gyspies? After all it was legal,,,, right?

 

[MrPickins]

Not very well. Could the government pass a law mandating that newspapers with unfavorable views could only be printed in small font size?:hmm:

35 feet is 7 (full) paces. My living room is wider than that. If you can't hear someone at that distance speaking at a normal volume (much less shouting like the protesters tend to do), then you need to get your ears checked.

 

[fskimospy]

So tell me about this smoke stack with blue and pink smoke.

Maybe you would have liked different colored smoke for jews and gyspies? After all it was legal,,,, right?

What else would you like to know about it? I just thought it would add a fun touch as well as a way for the kids at home to keep track of how the aborting was going that day.

 

[Texashiker]

What else would you like to know about it? I just thought it would add a fun touch as well as a way for the kids at home to keep track of how the aborting was going that day.

I wonder if anyone sold pink and blue collars to the slave owners?

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder if anyone sold pink and blue collars to the slave owners?

Probably. Depending on the role of the slave some were dressed quite fashionably.

Are you suggesting that we could give out swag or other promotional items for people who got abortions or were you more looking for the nurses and abortion clinic staff to dress in a more lively fashion?

Look what a good time he's having!

 

[Texashiker]

Probably. Depending on the role of the slave some were dressed quite fashionably.

Maybe a pink ribbon for every mormon girl, and a blue ribbon for every mormon boy killed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_War_(1838)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Executive_Order_44

That way people who helped rid Missouri of mormons could hold their head high and be proud.

Since it was legal to kill mormons, I guess you would have been on the wrong side of history again.

 

[Jaskalas]

But one day the slaughter of the innocents will come to an end.

We are human, do not think so highly of us. If such an enlightened state exists for us, beyond violence, I suspect it'll be millennia before we see such glory.

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe a pink ribbon for every mormon girl, and a blue ribbon for every mormon boy killed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Executive_Order_44

That way people who helped rid Missouri of mormons could hold their head high and be proud.

Since it was legal to kill mormons, I guess you would have been on the wrong side of history again.

Ribbons could be fun, I like this idea. When I was in elementary school we would have a thing where we pasted a cutout book on the wall for every book we read, it was kind of like a race. We could put up a ribbon for each abortion they do and the doctors could have a competition over who could do the most!

The winner could get a pizza party. Everyone likes pizza.

 

[MrPickins]

The winner could get a pizza party. Everyone likes pizza.

I'm in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xML_rV4cX1M

 

[Texashiker]

We are human, do not think so highly of us. If such an enlightened state exists for us, beyond violence, I suspect it'll be millennia before we see such glory.

It is sad that our society, and humanity in general, requires violence for any type of real social change to happen. Whether it was the civil war, or the civil rights movement, one side usually has to inflict so much violence the other side gives in.

This buffer zone is an attempt to protect those on the wrong side of history from those who are trying to do what is morally right.

I wonder how people selling slaves in the 1700s and 1800s dealt with protestors? Were the protestors required to stay a certain distance away from the selling area or the road going to where slaves were to be sold?

If there is a public sidewalk going to the murder clinic, then protestors should be allowed to protest on public land.

 

[nehalem256]

Why did no one think to just build the entrance to the abortion clinic 35 feet from the sidewalk?:hmm:

Or is this a case where public accommodation laws come back to bite liberals in the butt?

 

[Oldgamer]

Right thread.

Just like slavery, this disease of abortion will come to an end. It might take 100 years, it might take 50 years, it might take 200 years. But one day the slaughter of the innocents will come to an end.




So tell me about this smoke stack with blue and pink smoke.

Maybe you would have liked different colored smoke for jews and gyspies? After all it was legal,,,, right?

Are you like one of those religious nuts?

 

[Texashiker]

Are you like one of those religious nuts?

No.

I just believe the law can not excuse morally incomprehensible acts.

 

[Oldgamer]

It is sad that our society, and humanity in general, requires violence for any type of real social change to happen. Whether it was the civil war, or the civil rights movement, one side usually has to inflict so much violence the other side gives in.

This buffer zone is an attempt to protect those on the wrong side of history from those who are trying to do what is morally right.

I wonder how people selling slaves in the 1700s and 1800s dealt with protestors? Were the protestors required to stay a certain distance away from the selling area or the road going to where slaves were to be sold?

If there is a public sidewalk going to the murder clinic, then protestors should be allowed to protest on public land.

Texashiker, women have been aborting their fetuses since the dawn of man. No matter how you feel about a fetus, you cannot control a woman who does not want to carry one, period. In trying to do so, all you do is endanger the woman's life. Is that what you want? Desperate women and back alley abortions again? Seriously, you really need to stop judging and get off your holier than thou attitude and see the human side of this for why women feel the need in all different circumstances to decide not to carry a fetus to term. Many different reasons, and it is their choice, their decision. The truth of the matter is, it is still constitutionally protected by law for a woman to have an abortion. I don't see that changing any time soon. But what I do see, is all these southern (crazy batshit religious nut) states trying to find ways to bar women from their constitutional protected right and they are being shot down in the courts.

As far as I am concerned the 35 foot rule in this one state is just not far enough.

It doesn't make any sense to tell protesters who protest other things, like say, the OWC protestors or underpaid employees of Walmart that they legally have to be 2-3 blocks away from a business, yet somehow it's not ok to do that to ask that of the anti-abortion protesters, WHO I MIGHT ADD, have have history shown to be violent, and kill people and destroy property at these clinics, and interrupt their normal day to day business. Your hypocrisy is absolutely astounding.

 

[Texashiker]

In trying to do so, all you do is endanger the woman's life. Is that what you want?

No absolutely not.

All life is valuable and should be treated equally.

Desperate women and back alley abortions again?

You hit on a key word right there, and that word is "desperate".

What are the desperate for? I imagine the root cause of abortion is money, and the womans concern about how she is going to provide for the child.

Seriously, you really need to stop judging and get off your holier than thou attitude and see the human side of this for why women feel the need in all different circumstances to decide not to carry a fetus to term.

What can we as a society to to improve the womans standard of living? Not just having a place to live, and birth control options, we need to look at the whole nine yards. What drove the woman to make the decision to end her pregnancy? No family support, no money, no job,,,, certainly we as a society can do something to help.

I am going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of women of end their pregnancies are in the low income bracket.

Its not like planned parenthood is going to setup in a rich area. They mostly service low income poverty areas.

As far as I am concerned the 35 foot rule in this one state is just not far enough.

My opinion, the line should be where public property ends and private property starts.

 

[MrPickins]

My opinion, the line should be where public property ends and private property starts.

Then you should also be opposed to any buffer zone for protesters, including those in AZ for Westboro nuts, the zone in front of the Supreme Court, and those near presidential appearances.

 

[Oldgamer]

Then you should also be opposed to any buffer zone for protesters, including those in AZ for Westboro nuts, the zone in front of the Supreme Court, and those near presidential appearances.

Exactly..that is the point I keep trying to make, but obviously it's being ignored..lol

 

[Oldgamer]

No absolutely not.

All life is valuable and should be treated equally.




You hit on a key word right there, and that word is "desperate".

What are the desperate for? I imagine the root cause of abortion is money, and the womans concern about how she is going to provide for the child.




What can we as a society to to improve the womans standard of living? Not just having a place to live, and birth control options, we need to look at the whole nine yards. What drove the woman to make the decision to end her pregnancy? No family support, no money, no job,,,, certainly we as a society can do something to help.

I am going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of women of end their pregnancies are in the low income bracket.

Its not like planned parenthood is going to setup in a rich area. They mostly service low income poverty areas.




My opinion, the line should be where public property ends and private property starts.

Ok wait, you don't think rich women have abortions..lmao Yes, in fact they do! Are you saying most of the abortions are due to being poor? What if a woman just flat out decides,hey I have had two kids and don't want anymore? What if the birth control failed? Yes that does happen! Or better yet a rape involved? How about some poor girl being in a super religious family who might be so heavy handed as to beat her or even kill her if they found out she accidentally got pregnant? Do you want someone like that just throwing their babies in the trashcan out of fear from their families, or aborting in an apartment with someone who has no clue what they are doing?

Anyway, your out of touch, and in complete denial. You will never, and let me say this again, never, not anyone will be able to stop a woman from trying to get rid of a pregnancy if she makes up her mind to do so. Even if it means she might die trying. That might friend is a fact, and a sad one.

I don't want my kids, or their kids having to go through such an ordeal so I want these protesters to stay back away from the clinics, and I want women to continue to have the right to make decisions about their own bodies. So I will continue to do my part on rallying against people who think like you.

Nuff said...

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Or better yet a rape involved?

Bet that's the first time anyone's used those words in that order... :whiste:

 

[kage69]

And no people were killed when black slaves lost their lives. Blacks were not people, they were property.

Utter comparison fail. Children are born. Same with slaves. Try again.

 

[Texashiker]

Ok wait, you don't think rich women have abortions..lmao Yes, in fact they do! Are you saying most of the abortions are due to being poor? What if a woman just flat out decides,hey I have had two kids and don't want anymore? What if the birth control failed? Yes that does happen!

I never said anything about rich or middle class.

Anyway, your out of touch, and in complete denial. You will never, and let me say this again, never, not anyone will be able to stop a woman from trying to get rid of a pregnancy if she makes up her mind to do so. Even if it means she might die trying. That might friend is a fact, and a sad one.

Sounds like a mental health problem.

 

[Oldgamer]

I never said anything about rich or middle class.

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Quote from Texashiker: "I am going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of women of end their pregnancies are in the low income bracket.

Its not like planned parenthood is going to setup in a rich area. They mostly service low income poverty areas."

Yes, you did through insinuation.

 

[Texashiker]

Quote from Texashiker: "I am going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of women of end their pregnancies are in the low income bracket.

Its not like planned parenthood is going to setup in a rich area. They mostly service low income poverty areas."

Am I wrong?

Do low income make up the majority of those wanting abortion services?

Are the majority of planned parenthood clinics setup so they can provide services to low income areas?

Nowhere in there did I say "all".

 

[Oldgamer]

Fun abortion history fact:

In the 1950s, about a million illegal abortions a year were performed in the U.S., and over a thousand women died each year as a result. Women who were victims of botched or unsanitary abortions came in desperation to hospital emergency wards, where some died of widespread abdominal infections. Many women who recovered from such infections found themselves sterile or chronically and painfully ill. The enormous emotional stress often lasted a long time.

Poor women and women of color ran the greatest risks with illegal abortions. In 1969, 75% of the women who died from abortions (most of them illegal) were women of color. Of all legal abortions in that year, 90% were performed on white private patients.

When abortion was first made illegal women of wealth simply flew to other countries to have their abortions performed.

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This is how it has always been the poor women get blamed for their poor choices and the rich women get off without repercussion. Right?

There are far more white women having abortions now than ever before, and a huge boon of white women just after abortion was made legal. In fact most women of means and income don't have to go to a local clinic, they simply set up an appointment with their nearby hospital and favorite doctor whom they can pay to perform the procedure. The whole illegality of abortion came about when white people became scared of being outpaced birth wise to those of different color and this was during the whole eugenics era.

 

[Texashiker]

This is how it has always been the poor women get blamed for their poor choices

and the rich women get off without repercussion.

Poverty and poor life choices go hand-in-hand.

Regardless of financial status, a life is a life.