Buffer Zones (abortion clinics) and Anthony Scalia's opening arguments

[MomentsofSanity]

Why am I not surprised you come follow me again. They're not expressing them in the exact same fashion. Are you seriously this stupid? I don't see the pro life protestors chanting for the deaths of American soldiers. And the WBC are allowed to go to the funerals while the pro-life protestors have a buffer.

Nice to see you support the WBC since you're the same guy who thinks it's alright to burn a poppy.

All of those things would be constitutionally protected expression of free speech. Every one of them. The message is irrelevant. What you call support for WBC and burning poppies most others would call consistently supporting the free expression of opinions no matter how I personally feel about them. That is what it means to defend freedom.

The only difference you cite is your personal feelings towards their motivation or how they chose to express themselves. However distasteful it may be its 100% protected by the constitution that you so frequently claim to defend.

Attack all you want, but you can not show me as being wrong on this.

 

[nehalem256]

How about Westboro kooks?

Should they be allowed to user their right to free speech to disrupt a soldier's funeral?

Well I guess according to the pro-life people both places are basically holding funerals :awe:

 

[sandorski]

The Supreme court has a buffer zone that extends well beyond this one put up at clinics.

Polling stations have buffer zones.

Are there buffer zones in the socialist hellscape of Canada where you live?

Not sure about Nationally, but here in British Columbia buffer zones were implemented 30ish years ago as women were being obstructed and exposed to a barrage of verbal abuse entering clinics.

 

[brycejones]

There is a big difference between them and these protestors. I and most normal people have criticized and called out the WBC. You can't even compare the two.

Lol

 

[Incorruptible]

Lol

LOL

 

[brycejones]

LOL

Lol

 

[Incorruptible]

Lol

LOL

 

[UberNeuman]

No they didn't. Go learn something about the decisions.

That would require learning. And learning is hard.

 

[brycejones]

Why am I not surprised you come follow me again. They're not expressing them in the exact same fashion. Are you seriously this stupid? I don't see the pro life protestors chanting for the deaths of American soldiers. And the WBC are allowed to go to the funerals while the pro-life protestors have a buffer.

Nice to see you support the WBC since you're the same guy who thinks it's alright to burn a poppy.

Where did he say he supported WBC? You seem have a bad habit of making allegations not supported by anything. However it must really hurt when your utter hypocrisy is pointed out to you.

Both abortion protesters and the WBC have a right to protest and get their message out there. That being said moderate buffer zones like the one at issue in this case do not represent an unconstitutional curb on their free speech rights in my opinion.

 

[MrPickins]

Well I guess according to the pro-life people both places are basically holding funerals :awe:

Zing!

 

[kage69]

The day that Scalia leaves the court will be the single greatest day in the history of the USSC.

There was a time where I at least respected the guy, but now? Yeah, what you said.

 

[MrPickins]

Are you seriously this stupid? I don't see the pro life protestors chanting for the deaths of American soldiers.

No, they just call for the death of and occasionally kill the employees.

(Oh yeah, and brutally harass women who are making the hardest decision of their lives, causing untold mental anguish)

And the WBC are allowed to go to the funerals while the pro-life protestors have a buffer.

Not in Arizona:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/free/20130702westboro-baptist-yarnell-fire-law.html


Seriously. A 35 foot buffer for the safety of the patients and staff isn't stopping anyone from exercising their freedom of speech.

 

[Incorruptible]

Where did he say he supported WBC? You seem have a bad habit of making allegations not supported by anything. However it must really hurt when your utter hypocrisy is pointed out to you.

Both abortion protesters and the WBC have a right to protest and get their message out there. That being said moderate buffer zones like the one at issue in this case do not represent an unconstitutional curb on their free speech rights in my opinion.

The buffer zones are too big and violate freedom of speech.

 

[MrPickins]

The buffer zones are too big and violate freedom of speech.

I could hold a conversation with you at 35 feet and not even have to raise my voice. How is this stopping anyone from getting their message out there?

35 feet is enough, however, to stop a large part of the harassment and potential danger.

 

[brycejones]

The buffer zones are too big and violate freedom of speech.

How?

 

[Incorruptible]

I could hold a conversation with you at 35 feet and not even have to raise my voice. How is this stopping anyone from getting their message out there?

35 feet is enough, however, to stop a large part of the harassment and potential danger.

It's too far and they should be allowed to go closer. It's already illegal for them to engage them physically and as long as they're peaceful then they should be able to protest.

This violates freedom of speech by keeping them that far.

 

[fskimospy]

It's too far and they should be allowed to go closer. It's already illegal for them to engage them physically and as long as they're peaceful then they should be able to protest.

This violates freedom of speech by keeping them that far.

So how close should the westboro baptist church be able to get to military funerals?

 

[MrPickins]

This violates freedom of speech by keeping them that far.

B.S.

If they can hear the protesters speak (and at 35 feet they can), then nobody's rights are being violated.

Do you think that they should be able to get right up into peoples faces? Freedom of speech doesn't extend to harassment.

 

[MrPickins]

So how close should the westboro baptist church be able to get to military funerals?

Hell, AZ set the buffer at 300 feet.

Didn't hear Incorruptible complaining about that.

 

[Atreus21]

Nope don't think so, you really ought to read up on why buffer zones were created. Here is one article to help you out http://www.motherjones.com/politics...-supreme-court-massachusetts-mccullen-coakley

The actions cited here sound much like behavior recorded at all manner of protests.

 

[kage69]

Hell, AZ set the buffer at 300 feet.

Didn't hear Incorruptible complaining about that.

Oddly enough I cannot recall ever hearing any of these buffoons have issue with the "free speech zones" that were so rampant during the Cheney admin either.

Forcing non republican voting Americans to take their right to protest a 1/4 mile away? Ok. Expecting frothy anti choice zealots to maintain a safe 35ft distance based on past experience? Omfg think of the dialogue lost! Won't someone please think of the dialogue?!?!?!Free speech is being compromised!!!

So fucking lame. Yet again, Scalia shits on his reputation by getting political. I have personal experience with this matter which unequivocally supports just how wrong he is.

 

[nehalem256]

No, they just call for the death of and occasionally kill the employees.

(Oh yeah, and brutally harass women who are making the hardest decision of their lives, causing untold mental anguish)

Right. Because removing some unwanted tissue from your body is the hardest decision anyone will ever make.:hmm:

Seriously. A 35 foot buffer for the safety of the patients and staff isn't stopping anyone from exercising their freedom of speech.

Its a good thing no one ever invented a weapon that can be used 35 feet away!:awe:

 

[kage69]

Right. Because removing some unwanted tissue from your body is the hardest decision anyone will ever make.:hmm:

Spoken like an asshat. Bravo.

Its a good thing no one ever invented a weapon that can be used 35 feet away!:awe:

This isn't Dune, speech isn't a weapon. Not that anti choice zealots have been hindered by laws that address injuring and killing others in the past. Bullets don't have a problem with that distance, same with Molotov cocktails or pipebombs. Thankfully the majority of the protestors are too pussy to up the ante by involving weapons. 35ft seems to work well with fists, feet and saliva though. Please do try to focus your woman hate, it's making you sound more idiotic than normal.

 

[kage69]

*fastens Weirding module to hand*


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-BORTION!


Damnit. The cat's still alive. I hate it when I'm right.

 

[werepossum]

Personally I'd support a 1/4 mile buffer on all protesters, for everything, including Occupy Wall Street. Protesters in general are a useless bunch of twats and I'd much rather be wondering what those twats are getting on about than actually hearing it.