Buffer Zones (abortion clinics) and Anthony Scalia's opening arguments

[zinfamous]

texashiker will not be satisfied until all manner of human, beast, fowl, vegetable, tuber, and mineral will be able to peacefully assemble, equally, in the same space, for all reasons that they personally deem appropriate.

Not, and NEVER until all are granted these rights equally, shall any one group experience these rights, singly.

 

[dmcowen674]

Pro-lifers assembling outside of abortion clinics are very often not peaceful, though. Read the article posted earlier in the thread for just a few examples.

I recently moved to Indianapolis and happen to be three blocks from the main abortion clinic for the city.

Even when the temp was 20 below zero last week the anti-abortion foes showed up at 8am sharp to set up shop on the apron leading to the clinic.

I drive by on the way home from work every day when they arrive.

It's mostly men. They start with a either a circle or a line in prayer.

Then they turn to the building and shake their fists.

They stop any car going in and hand booklets.

 

[Incorruptible]

Hell, AZ set the buffer at 300 feet.

Didn't hear Incorruptible complaining about that.

I never knew about it and most people would have a hard time defending the WBC.

An innocent man was locked up in jail for making a movie about Islam.

Didn't hear MrPickins complaining about that.

 

[MrPickins]

We should restrict the many for the actions of a few?

For such a mild restriction with such obvious benefits, yes. It's the same thing as people not having the right to shout "Fire" in a crowded theater.

You won't hear anyone fighting harder to enforce constitutional rights, but these women are being stripped of their rights by the harassment. Thus restrictions on the harassers.

 

[Texashiker]

texashiker will not be satisfied until all manner of human, beast, fowl are granted these rights equally, shall any one group experience these rights, singly.

That is not true. My chickens are not even allowed on my porch. Nor are they allowed to come inside and eat the cat food.

If I leave the backdoor of the house open when I go to let the chickens out, a couple of my barred rocks and a rhode island red will run to the open door, go inside my house and start eating the cat food.

I have to shoo them out and close the door.

For such a mild restriction with such obvious benefits, yes. It's the same thing as people not having the right to shout "Fire" in a crowded theater.

What benefits? The murder of a child?

Slavery benefited the southern plantation owner.

Benefiting a small minority is no excuse to take away the rights of the many.

 

[MrPickins]

I never knew about it and most people would have a hard time defending the WBC.

An innocent man was locked up in jail for making a movie about Islam.

Didn't hear MrPickins complaining about that.

Don't try to paint me as a liberal (or conservative for that matter). I think for myself.

Are you referring to the guy behind the 'Innocence of Muslims" film? IIRC, he was arrested/charged with violating probation (parole?).

I fail to see how this is relevant. Whereas the AZ law targeting WBC is pertinent, but you dismiss it outright.

 

[zinfamous]

That is not true. My chickens are not even allowed on my porch. Nor are they allowed to come inside and eat the cat food.

If I leave the backdoor of the house open when I go to let the chickens out, a couple of my barred rocks and a rhode island red will run to the open door, go inside my house and start eating the cat food.

I have to shoo them out and close the door.

so, you maintain a 40 foot buffer zone for the chickens, while the cat is allowed to roam freely?

sounds totally unfair. Those chickens deserve equal representation and it is only proper, now, that you establish a buffer for the cat until your chickens have been liberated.

 

[zinfamous]

I never knew about it and most people would have a hard time defending the WBC.

An innocent man was locked up in jail for making a movie about Islam.

Didn't hear MrPickins complaining about that.

that's not why he was locked up, you rube.

guy was a fraud, a parole violator, and exploited actors for his pack of filth

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/innocence-muslims-filmmaker-sentenced.html

you are scum for supporting him. But you know, as long as he hates muslims, the fact that he's a criminal is just fine to you.

 

[Incorruptible]

Don't try to paint me as a liberal (or conservative for that matter). I think for myself.

Are you referring to the guy behind the 'Innocence of Muslims" film? IIRC, he was arrested/charged with violating probation (parole?).

I fail to see how this is relevant. Whereas the AZ law targeting WBC is pertinent, but you dismiss it outright.

Yes I am talking about him. obama himself said they would get him and the media was called to his house. There are many other parole violators who were completely free. This was done to pander to the radicals.


Do you think they would have arrested him if the movie was about Christians?

You want me to defend the WBC and then that way others can attack me for defending those inbred morons.

As I said earlier as long as the protestors are peaceful they have the right to protest. As for them being violent yes there are some nutbars but there is also violence from the abortion supporters as well.

 

[Texashiker]

so, you maintain a 40 foot buffer zone for the chickens, while the cat is allowed to roam freely?

sounds totally unfair. Those chickens deserve equal representation and it is only proper, now, that you establish a buffer for the cat until your chickens have been liberated.

The chickens get to roam free. They just dont get to come in the house.

If you could be trained to use the litter box like the cat, then "maybe" a couple of them could come inside.

 

[MrPickins]

What benefits? The murder of a child?

Slavery benefited the southern plantation owner.

Benefiting a small minority is no excuse to take away the rights of the many.

The benefit of allowing a woman to exercise her constitutional right without fear of harassment.

You want to change the laws? Fine, but do it legally.

 

[WelshBloke]

If someone doesnt want to talk to you and you insist thats not a debate, at best its haranguing.

 

[zinfamous]

The chickens get to roam free. They just dont get to come in the house.

If you could be trained to use the litter box like the cat, then "maybe" a couple of them could come inside.

so you maintain a buffer around the house? I don't think that gives them adequate access to let their complaints be known.

 

[MrPickins]

Yes I am talking about him. obama himself said they would get him and the media was called to his house. There are many other parole violators who were completely free. This was done to pander to the radicals.


Do you think they would have arrested him if the movie was about Christians?

Not relevant to this discussion at all.

You want me to defend the WBC and then that way others can attack me for defending those inbred morons.

As I said earlier as long as the protestors are peaceful they have the right to protest. As for them being violent yes there are some nutbars but there is also violence from the abortion supporters as well.

Forget the WBC; I'm sure you despise them as much as any sane individual should. Are you saying that you think any protester has the right to demonstrate right up to the property line of an AZ funeral for a soldier KIA?

 

[Incorruptible]

that's not why he was locked up, you rube.

guy was a fraud, a parole violator, and exploited actors for his pack of filth

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/innocence-muslims-filmmaker-sentenced.html

you are scum for supporting him. But you know, as long as he hates muslims, the fact that he's a criminal is just fine to you.

Resorting to insults because you got nothing, Not surprised.

You are scum for attacking free speech. Show me one post where I hate Muslims. I attack RADICAL MUSLIMS who want sharia law.

Just STFU with your BS.

 

[Texashiker]

The benefit of allowing a woman to exercise her constitutional right without fear of harassment.

You want to change the laws? Fine, but do it legally.

This goes back to which side of history do you want to be on.

Do you want to defend those who are unable to defend themselves, or do you want to blindly follow the law.

so you maintain a buffer around the house? I don't think that gives them adequate access to let their complaints be known.

But I get tired of stepping in chicken crap.

 

[Incorruptible]

Not relevant to this discussion at all.



Forget the WBC; I'm sure you despise them as much as any sane individual should. Are you saying that you think any protester has the right to demonstrate right up to the property line of an AZ funeral for a soldier KIA?

It's relevant since his free speech was violated as well.

The pro-life protestors have the right to protest close to the abortion clinic ESPECIALLY if it's taxpayer funded.

I will not defend the WBC or comment on them.

 

[MrPickins]

It's relevant since his free speech was violated as well.

saying "free speech violation" doesn't make them related.

The pro-life protestors have the right to protest close to the abortion clinic ESPECIALLY if it's taxpayer funded.

Nobody is saying they cant protest. Only that they need to maintain a small buffer for the safety of the patients and employees. If you can't get your message across at 35 feet of distance, you're not trying very hard.

How close do you think they need to be?

I will not defend the WBC or comment on them.

How about commenting on the state of AZ, then?

 

[MrPickins]

This goes back to which side of history do you want to be on.

Yeah, we'll see this in the future. (Also, seems like I've said this to you in regard to gay marriage)

Do you want to defend those who are unable to defend themselves, or do you want to blindly follow the law.

I enact change from within the system.

 

[zinfamous]

Resorting to insults because you got nothing, Not surprised.

You are scum for attacking free speech. Show me one post where I hate Muslims. I attack RADICAL MUSLIMS who want sharia law.

Just STFU with your BS.

try your best to read the article, you illiterate corpuscle.

 

[zinfamous]

But I get tired of stepping in chicken crap.

What, you think your shit don't stink? How do you think the chickens feel, being belittled this way?

 

[Texashiker]

Yeah, we'll see this in the future. (Also, seems like I've said this to you in regard to gay marriage)

Besides women who have been raped, and women who have a medical reason to terminate the pregnancy, should society accommodate the lazy?

Women have a multitude of options to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Should they be entitled to certain protections (buffer zone for example) to accommodate their laziness?

If a woman is too lazy to get an iud, take a shot, get tubal ligation, take a daily pill,,,, make some kind of arrangement to prevent pregnancies, should they receive special protection under the law?

If this was a man we were talking about, and he did not work and pay child support, he would be in prison. He would be punished for his laziness.

Why does one sex get a special pass, but the other sex is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

What, you think your shit don't stink? How do you think the chickens feel, being belittled this way?

Hey, those are my babies you are talking about.

 

[Victorian Gray]

From your posts here, it pretty obvious that you're going to die alone and unloved by any woman.

But he will be surrounded by a harem of lovely toasters who will be able to warm his final moments with their love and understanding.

 

[michal1980]

Scalia is a troll.

I'm in good company then according to your troll standards

 

[Incorruptible]

saying "free speech violation" doesn't make them related.



Nobody is saying they cant protest. Only that they need to maintain a small buffer for the safety of the patients and employees. If you can't get your message across at 35 feet of distance, you're not trying very hard.

How close do you think they need to be?



How about commenting on the state of AZ, then?

Why should they have to be that far though? The government has no right to violate free speech like this and they have the right to be closer. What are they scared of?

try your best to read the article, you illiterate corpuscle.

Try your best to read the article, you illiterate corpuscle.